Below 50 pvp tips. Countering golden pro`s

Masty_Spy · September 2019

Hello! How to survive in below 50 campain against unkillable golden pro`s 40+ lvl?
We have group of 4 players. 30+ lvl.

1) Can you suggest 2 crafted sets for pvp (we can craft them on mains) for mana NB and stam NB
2) How to deal with enemy NB? what skills can expose them BESIDES flare and magelight.

Metemsycosis · September 2019

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Shacklebreaker
Julianos
Hundings/Nightmothers
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Camo hunter
Mark target (nb skill...)
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To deal with golden heroes, learn to pull enemy damage dealers using leash or dk chain necro beckoning armor etc to neutralize their threat. Pull the damage dealer and then ulti dump that one dead. Move onto focusing healer and save tank for last.

Always always watch your back. Easy to expend resources on one tribe for another to steal your kills in progress or to sandwich you between them and force your group out or dead.

Metemsycosis · September 2019

I like to run blessed meridia and prisoners in under 50 so It's easy to survive and sustain.....(require ap to purchase)

wheem_ESO · September 2019

Nightblades can be exposed by AOE damage, as long as you have an idea of where they are. If you can manage to get close to them before they cloak, Wall of Frost works quite well in this role. The snare was 60% when I was running it, but should be decently effective even at the current 40%. Wall of Fire/Lightning could work as well, but it'll be much easier for them to escape if you don't have someone else snaring.

'Course, Bombard, DK breath attacks, Templar Sweeps/Jabs, etc...can all work as well, and some (like Bombard) definitely have advantages over Wall of Frost.

MajBludd · September 2019

Tbs and shackle. Works great in under 50 for mag or stam. Lots of max ress and good regen.
I usually run lover and inc dam mundus (spell dam or weap dam).

Use detect pots, they work great because most wonr have shade to teleport too and they aren't fast enough yet to move out of range.

Edit* one last thing, leave from under 50 as soon as possible. Battle spirit buff in Kyne gives you a false sense of how pvp works in vet. There is a reason those "golden pros" stay in under 50.

Thraben · September 2019

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Hello! How to survive in below 50 campain against unkillable golden pro`s 40+ lvl?
We have group of 4 players. 30+ lvl.

1) Can you suggest 2 crafted sets for pvp (we can craft them on mains) for mana NB and stam NB
2) How to deal with enemy NB? what skills can expose them BESIDES flare and magelight.

1) When you all use the crafting set "Coldharbour´s Favourite", it´ll be VERY hard to kill you once you have survived the first gank. All pieces in Impregnable.

2) You don´t need to expose them. Stay together within a 8m radius, and your AoE damage will kill them or drive them off. You only need to survive the first few seconds. To that end, everyone on your group has to slot a group healing skill. One or two of you could slot Barrier. Get used to having the HoTs tick on you at all times, that´s what every serious PvP player does anyways.

3) And don´t think they are "Pro". They are just little Stamblades unable to kill anything else but noobs., that´s why they are there, with their golden equip, hunting beginners.

Masty_Spy · September 2019

Thraben wrote: »

2) You don´t need to expose them. Stay together within a 8m radius, and your AoE damage will kill them or drive them off. You only need to survive the first few seconds. To that end, everyone on your group has to slot a group healing skill. One or two of you could slot Barrier. Get used to having the HoTs tick on you at all times, that´s what every serious PvP player does anyways.

Everytime we encountering couple NBs, that uses "bite and hide" strat.
entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak
on MAX range ofc
We cant do anything. they are very fast in stealth. Any tips?

festher · September 2019

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Hello! How to survive in below 50 campain against unkillable golden pro`s 40+ lvl?
We have group of 4 players. 30+ lvl.

1) Can you suggest 2 crafted sets for pvp (we can craft them on mains) for mana NB and stam NB
2) How to deal with enemy NB? what skills can expose them BESIDES flare and magelight.

If you have a templar, you can purge it with extended ritual and make their time wasted.
Spending time catching them isent that sufficient i think. As you said you are a premade group, you have all the advanges that many others ask how to beat. You prolly have a healer and moving around in a tight ball where everyone dies in your AOE.

i only know of curse eater that remove effects if not purge from support line or templar.

Cernunnos55 · September 2019

Sets can vary depending on what you have. Fortified Brass can help with survivability as long as you account for the fact that sustain and damage may be a tad lower. Shacklebreaker is excellent for resource pool. Hunding's and Julianos are bread and butter damage sets. Kag's can also be nice. If you can craft Eternal Hunt then you may have some luck, however it can be difficult to sustain enough dodge to make it viable in lowbie. Some can pull it off.

Dealing with Golden Warrior types can be a pain sometimes, as they can require something as equally gimmicky as them when it comes to even-number fights. I usually make toons that are capable of holding them alone either long enough for the group to make some headway, or to essentially neutralise them. This can be done in a few ways. My MagDK is excellent at rooting and stunning, and buffs my group's damage output - I'll hold them in place while the group kills them, or I'll drain their resources while they dodge and break free. My Warden was good at looking threatening - if attacked, he was tanky and could take it; if ignored, he had just enough damage to demand attention. My StamBlade is good at neutralising these threats 1v1 due to incredibly high damage output with nice mobility.

There are a few solutions. Talk with your group and coordinate. I wouldn't succeed very often at all if it weren't for the dedicated healers in my group.

iRaivyne · September 2019

I run shacklebreaker on everything in under 50 BGs. Then either 5pc hundings (Stam) or Julianos (mag) and 2pc mechanical acuity (stamina) or 2pc torug's (magicka). That way I can easily pass gear down from lowbie to lowbie.

Fur_like_snow · September 2019

Disregard all advice about wearing defensive sets unless you’re zerging and you can afford to lose the damage. Wear one offensive set(hunding, julianos) paired with a sustain set(shackle). Your glyphs should be all damage. If you can’t sustain you need to HA more.

As far as fighting twink cloak blades you need to run an AOE. Gap closer + block + stun. Their advantage in sub 50 is high max resources which gives them the ability to cloak many many times in a row. You need to consistently pull them out of stealth or they will keep resetting.

Marcus684 · September 2019

Cone AoEs like Bombard and Wall of Ice only work against bad cloaking NBs that run in a straight line away from you. Good ones will cloak and change direction so your cones miss. Having a mag build run Radiant Magelight and keep hitting it when a NB is in the area is your best defense against the NB picking off your group members, but you all have to stick together. Even if you catch him out of stealth, your group needs to do enough damage to overcome his heals and mitigations however, which can be tough with noobs in lowbie pvp.

Thraben · September 2019

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

2) You don´t need to expose them. Stay together within a 8m radius, and your AoE damage will kill them or drive them off. You only need to survive the first few seconds. To that end, everyone on your group has to slot a group healing skill. One or two of you could slot Barrier. Get used to having the HoTs tick on you at all times, that´s what every serious PvP player does anyways.

Everytime we encountering couple NBs, that uses "bite and hide" strat.
entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak
on MAX range ofc
We cant do anything. they are very fast in stealth. Any tips?

As I said, outheal them. We PvP players call them "bowtards", because they no threat to anyone using a purge.

One of you should equip the Alliance skill. " Cleanse", and soon they will be a laughing stock.

Always keep up some Vigor/ Regeneration HoTs, wear impen on your armor, and have more than 24k life. Don't chase. Calmly apply ranged Dots like Soul Trap or Haunting Curse on them, and they will bugger off when they run out of Magicka.

Edit: I just realized the bowtards try to empower their snipe with Entropy. In 2019. Wow, just wow xD.

aetherial_heavenn · September 2019

Thraben wrote: »

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

2) You don´t need to expose them. Stay together within a 8m radius, and your AoE damage will kill them or drive them off. You only need to survive the first few seconds. To that end, everyone on your group has to slot a group healing skill. One or two of you could slot Barrier. Get used to having the HoTs tick on you at all times, that´s what every serious PvP player does anyways.

Everytime we encountering couple NBs, that uses "bite and hide" strat.
entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak - entropy - Lethal arrow - cloak
on MAX range ofc
We cant do anything. they are very fast in stealth. Any tips?

As I said, outheal them. We PvP players call them "bowtards", because they no threat to anyone using a purge.

One of you should equip the Alliance skill. " Cleanse", and soon they will be a laughing stock.

Always keep up some Vigor/ Regeneration HoTs, wear impen on your armor, and have more than 24k life. Don't chase. Calmly apply ranged Dots like Soul Trap or Haunting Curse on them, and they will bugger off when they run out of Magicka.

Edit: I just realized the bowtards try to empower their snipe with Entropy. In 2019. Wow, just wow xD.

I'd add, run detect pots on your main damage dealer or whomever is in front. Also use poisons. A healer running aoe heals (like rit of retribution or purge mentioned above) and the tristat poisons that both prevent restealthing and drain resources help a lot. Always hold block on RSS or when standing still. When you pull them out of stealth, Dot them up and watch them run away or die.

Don't feed em. Don't chase them. Make them come to you as a group. And yeah...get out of the under 50 campaign asap. It's full of players who are there to farm not fight. One trick ponies.

Iskiab · September 2019

Issue I had while leveling alts in BGs that the OP is likely having issues with is cc counters are mostly guild abilities. So if you’re leveling you can’t use abilities like RAT, cleanse, forward momentum etc... because you’re too low level.

Ice wall of elements is your best bet, you get it early. Spam WoE on where you think the NB went and keep spamming it is what I did, the NB will be snared and will be squishy and an easy kill for teammates. Later on you’ll get better tools but I found sustain and missing tools my issues in lowby BGs.

Ice WoE is also decent in lowby BGs for the same reason cloak is, people can’t easily remove snares because of missing tools.

I changed at 50 to elemental ring because it’s cheaper and I have the BRP destro, but I wouldn’t worry about that until you’re 50. If it’s any consolation developing the tools to counter NBs is important, and some people at 50 haven’t figured it out. Once you do NBs are an easy kill and non-issue in pvp.

ChunkyCat · September 2019

Learn to lose gracefully.

GhostofDatthaw · September 2019

Coming from someone who was a big time reroller in the bwb and early kyne days, your best bet is dont play thier game. They want to kite and los and ult dumps people with not 7 crit resist and invigorating trait armor. Don't play thier game let them get impatient and bait them out

Masty_Spy · September 2019

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

Iskiab · September 2019

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

That’s ridiculous. Well at least leveling doesn’t take long.

PvP tends to attract those types, if they can’t do well on their main they play on alts and pick on new players. It’s just a part of pvp and there isn’t much you can do about it.

In BGs if one team’s really strong and has a healer better pvpers will double team them. You can’t count on this though, poor pvpers will try and pick on the weakest team because they know they aren’t good enough to take on the strongest team. I’d just take your licks and keep leveling.

Waffennacht · September 2019

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

And so can you. You can max out those levels pre-50 if you want to.

I'm currently levelling another necro and have RAT etc without purchasing anything.

Fact is most pre-50 players know very little and those that re roll to continuously play pre 50 Bags don't like competition

Jierdanit · September 2019

Waffennacht wrote: »

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

And so can you. You can max out those levels pre-50 if you want to.

I'm currently levelling another necro and have RAT etc without purchasing anything.

Fact is most pre-50 players know very little and those that re roll to continuously play pre 50 Bags don't like competition

Fact is that you probably havent spend any time in below 50 and just wanna present what you think might be true as a fact...

Waffennacht · September 2019

Jierdanit wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

And so can you. You can max out those levels pre-50 if you want to.

I'm currently levelling another necro and have RAT etc without purchasing anything.

Fact is most pre-50 players know very little and those that re roll to continuously play pre 50 Bags don't like competition

Fact is that you probably havent spend any time in below 50 and just wanna present what you think might be true as a fact...

Hrm. Possibly. I don't purposely re roll to keep playing sub 50, so I only have had the time with the 3 or 4 characters I've levelled since BGs were released.

Maybe other people can share their experience of the skill levels of the pre 50 BG player base?

casparian · September 2019

Waffennacht wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

And so can you. You can max out those levels pre-50 if you want to.

I'm currently levelling another necro and have RAT etc without purchasing anything.

Fact is most pre-50 players know very little and those that re roll to continuously play pre 50 Bags don't like competition

Fact is that you probably havent spend any time in below 50 and just wanna present what you think might be true as a fact...

Hrm. Possibly. I don't purposely re roll to keep playing sub 50, so I only have had the time with the 3 or 4 characters I've levelled since BGs were released.

Maybe other people can share their experience of the skill levels of the pre 50 BG player base?

I don't know how it is on your platform (I think you're on Xbox?), but on PC/NA there is a dedicated community of people who have been re-rolling characters in Blackwater Blade/Kyne/whatever it is now/BGs for 3-4 years now. Most pre-50 players don't know what they're doing, but the serial rerollers are sufficiently prevalent for under-50 PVPers to have experiences like OP's.

Fur_like_snow · September 2019

Not just players but at least one guild on PC NA makes premades for sub 50 I see them frequently during peak hours. Truly a subculture within the game.

MurderMostFoul · September 2019

Best way to deal with them:

Level to 50/cp160 and say goodbye.

ExistingRug61 · September 2019

Waffennacht wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Masty_Spy wrote: »

Also they have Mage and Fighters guild ults on 30+ lvl chars

And so can you. You can max out those levels pre-50 if you want to.

I'm currently levelling another necro and have RAT etc without purchasing anything.

Fact is most pre-50 players know very little and those that re roll to continuously play pre 50 Bags don't like competition

Fact is that you probably havent spend any time in below 50 and just wanna present what you think might be true as a fact...

Hrm. Possibly. I don't purposely re roll to keep playing sub 50, so I only have had the time with the 3 or 4 characters I've levelled since BGs were released.

Maybe other people can share their experience of the skill levels of the pre 50 BG player base?

I have had a reasonable amount of experience on this from both sides. I play on Xbox NA and started as a new player who didn't know what they were doing in BWB and had similar experiences to what the OP has described but have since levelled most of my alts through it as well with more success due to my increased experience. I will admit that I have rerolled a character through so I could keep playing with the people who I first started playing with, and recently again to play with some guys who are new to the game.

There are definitely players that reroll characters through it. Or groups of experienced players that bring new alts in to push emp or something. If anything I have found there were more of these players than new players, as you start recognising the names.

I guess to the opposing factions I would probably have fallen into this category for a while, as even though I don't have full on low level gold gear or whatever like I suspect others do (that's way to expensive for me), to a degree I knew what I was doing, how to play my build, and had reasonably good gear. But even like that I found I would run into players on 1vX builds like a stam warden who would be very tanky and then turn around and gap close>dawnbreaker>shalks proc>execute me. My way of dealing with this was to group up and not play their games like LoS around trees etc, just like in Vet PvP.

It is a harsh learning curve for new players if they go in there on there own, but I am optimistic and hope that maybe at least the experienced players that are in there group up with and help the new players on their faction to cushion it a little. That was certainly the case when I started PvP in BWB, or maybe I just got lucky.

With regards to the OPs post:

My advice on sets (this is what I did with my mag NB):
If you can craft 6 trait Shacklebreaker is great for non-vet as stats and regen are really useful due to scaling and lack of cp. And for both MagNB and StamNB I think the extra off stat is really useful.
For the second set I personally prefer Seducer or Kagrenacs for the regen over something like Julianos but I tend to favour sustain on my builds.
Another option for the second set is to take a break from pvp every so often and farm Spinners (or Spriggans for Stam NB) as penetration is very good in non-vet as its no cp. This is fairly easy to do via dolmens for jewellery and public dungeons for the other two pieces. The disadvantage is it probably wont be impen traited (which is why its best to get 3x jewellery). This is what I did as I played alts through before jewellery crafting existed.

In terms of playing against NB I will offer the advice based on what I find difficult to counter when playing NB.
The normal counters apply in terms of removing them from stealth (AoE, revealing skills etc). Don't wait for them to cloak but try to predict when you think they will cloak and start AoEs then. Stamsorcs especially are good for this with their mobile AoE which should always be up. PBAoEs are best as a good NB will change direction in cloak so will be hard to hit with a cone.
But the most important thing is how you play as a group. The first step is making it very difficult for them to kill you, so stay tight as a group, don't chase, look out for each other, and don't let them single out a player. Thats what a enemy NB wants and how they will beat you. If you see them targeting your groupmate, don't just try to damage the NB but instead heal your groupmate or CC the NB so they can't get the kill. Once you stop them killing you, then worry about trying to kill them. And if you can't just ignore them and go do what you want.

MajBludd · September 2019

You want DB at lvl 4, go to serk catacombs. There is a room that has around 15-20 husks, or whatever they are called, you'll get fg xp but no leveling xp. If they are paying for it through the crown store they are stupid.

Want werewolf maxed? Go to the monkey shrine in Auridon, or stay in the hunting grounds til you are level 10 WW.

Meteor you'll just have to find all the books you need. Start at level 1,2,3 etc and you can have it by level 10 or possibly before.

Weapon ults just slot as many weapon skills on your bar and you could have destro ult or 2h ult, for example, by level 30ish maybe before.

Most run all purple gear and every 4-6 levels make new gear and some make new weapons every 2 levels. I've even been linked asylum weapons, level 45 monster sets, gold weapons, and gold gear if they use the same sets over and over.

Anything else?

Jierdanit · September 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

You want DB at lvl 4, go to serk catacombs. There is a room that has around 15-20 husks, or whatever they are called, you'll get fg xp but no leveling xp. If they are paying for it through the crown store they are stupid.

Want werewolf maxed? Go to the monkey shrine in Auridon, or stay in the hunting grounds til you are level 10 WW.

Meteor you'll just have to find all the books you need. Start at level 1,2,3 etc and you can have it by level 10 or possibly before.

Weapon ults just slot as many weapon skills on your bar and you could have destro ult or 2h ult, for example, by level 30ish maybe before.

Most run all purple gear and every 4-6 levels make new gear and some make new weapons every 2 levels. I've even been linked asylum weapons, level 45 monster sets, gold weapons, and gold gear if they use the same sets over and over.

Anything else?

ey serkamora is a secret

you cant tell everyone about it.

MajBludd · September 2019

@Jierdanit why not? If you know of it and I do why shouldn't everyone? Or do you just want to keep an edge in under 50?

Waffennacht · September 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

@Jierdanit why not? If you know of it and I do why shouldn't everyone? Or do you just want to keep an edge in under 50?

While I can see how that's a good way to level guild, I've always hit 10 before 50 doing skyreach. It's not even necessary to put a whole lot of effort into it.

Silly how people do these things and then argue that somehow the pre 50 player base isn't less skilled. If the pool wasn't mostly unskilled why would all these players put forth effort to stay within it?

It's obvious pre 50 is soooo much easier than 50+, hell I'd go 10-0 on a level 46 with 0 sets, just heavy armor with no bonuses

MajBludd · September 2019

@Waffennacht I agree, completely. Hopefully zos figures out what they are doing so I can figure out what I'm doing.

I dont have the time nor the patience to farm gear, transmute it, upgrade it, etc every 3 months just to have "fun" in vet.