Veteran zones ?

martygod12

Yes another poll about this .. we need it ASAP .. ok try to write also a reason why Are you voting yes or no EDIT: I am not talking about making all the mob harder, just the bosses!!!!

VaranisArano

I'm not interested in a repeat of Skyrim's Legendary mode with more damage and more health. That's boring.

New enemies, more enemies, new AI, and new tactics would be lovely. Is ZOS going to put in the time and effort to do that? Hah. I wish.

So, it depends.

Vhozek

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

I just wanna be able to feel like my new characters are ACTUALLY new characters (low level) and for quest bosses to ACTUALLY feel like bosses. It only works if you never put points into CP, play with level 1 gear, and never unlock skills which is NO way to play the game.

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not interested in a repeat of Skyrim's Legendary mode with more damage and more health. That's boring.

New enemies, more enemies, new AI, and new tactics would be lovely. Is ZOS going to put in the time and effort to do that? Hah. I wish.

So, it depends.

Well It still not as boring as killing everything (includind bosses) in less then 4-5 seconds.

It Is a shame really, because lot of the quest are actually really good, but that stupidly low difficulty makes them still somehow boring.

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Vhozek wrote: »

I just wanna be able to feel like my new characters are ACTUALLY new characters (low level) and for quest bosses to ACTUALLY feel like bosses. It only works if you never put points into CP, play with level 1 gear, and never unlock skills which is NO way to play the game.

Ageed 100% .. making myself bad just to have some challenge Is not fun at all

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

All those voting no .. you do realize that if the overland content Is enough challenge for you you can still play normal non veteran zones? The veteran zones will be only for those wanting some extra challenge

Cadbury

I don't care

martygod12 wrote: »

All those voting no .. you do realize that if the overland content Is enough challenge for you you can still play normal non veteran zones? The veteran zones will be only for those wanting some extra challenge

I voted I Don't Care, if that makes you feel better.

Vhozek

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

People voting "NO" are the same people who will tell you this is an MMO when you talk about solo content yet want the game to be so easy you never need to group.

Edit: Sure, we shouldn't group to kill a wolf but giants, trolls, mammoths, and every other enemy with the same looking HP bar are a joke that has been told so many times it's no longer funny.

VaranisArano

martygod12 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not interested in a repeat of Skyrim's Legendary mode with more damage and more health. That's boring.

New enemies, more enemies, new AI, and new tactics would be lovely. Is ZOS going to put in the time and effort to do that? Hah. I wish.

So, it depends.

Well It still not as boring as killing everything (includind bosses) in less then 4-5 seconds.

It Is a shame really, because lot of the quest are actually really good, but that stupidly low difficulty makes them still somehow boring.

See, I think its worse. Killing everything quickly isn't exciting, but at least its over quickly. Killing the same enemies over a longer period of time is just tedious. It doesn't add to the difficulty in any way, it just takes longer. Boring.

If I'm going to get a Veteran Difficulty zone, I'd like it to be actually difficult, not the same old stuff recycled that takes a longer to kill.

For anyone who remembers Pre-One Tamriel Craglorn, I want something more akin to that, done properly.

Banana

I don't care

Cadbury wrote: »

martygod12 wrote: »

All those voting no .. you do realize that if the overland content Is enough challenge for you you can still play normal non veteran zones? The veteran zones will be only for those wanting some extra challenge

I voted I Don't Care, if that makes you feel better.

Me to. Its out of our hands

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

VaranisArano wrote: »

martygod12 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not interested in a repeat of Skyrim's Legendary mode with more damage and more health. That's boring.

New enemies, more enemies, new AI, and new tactics would be lovely. Is ZOS going to put in the time and effort to do that? Hah. I wish.

So, it depends.

Well It still not as boring as killing everything (includind bosses) in less then 4-5 seconds.

It Is a shame really, because lot of the quest are actually really good, but that stupidly low difficulty makes them still somehow boring.

See, I think its worse. Killing everything quickly isn't exciting, but at least its over quickly. Killing the same enemies over a longer period of time is just tedious. It doesn't add to the difficulty in any way, it just takes longer. Boring.

If I'm going to get a Veteran Difficulty zone, I'd like it to be actually difficult, not the same old stuff recycled that takes a longer to kill.

For anyone who remembers Pre-One Tamriel Craglorn, I want something more akin to that, done properly.

Well then there needs to be some difficulty scalling with your character after cp160 So it Is still challenging.

Reverb

No

We used to have those, they were pretty much empty. Before One Tamriel the zones were leveled and the Caldwell’s Silver and Gold zones were vet rank difficulty. Craglorn was also vet difficulty and upper Crag was the most challenging overland content in the game.

But there was very little interest in the higher difficulty content. The vet zones were empty and the forums were filled with begging to nerf Crag until they finally did.

Just like how tons of people farm normal trials but very few do vet ones, and every week there’s a new thread asking to remove DLC dungeons from the randoms, and people still cry to nerf VMA more, and beg for a safe version of Cyrodil and IC so there’s no risk. The vast majority of players want their content face roll easy, and they want it spoonfed to them. Zeni knows this, and won’t waste development effort on the small number of players who claim otherwise.

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Reverb wrote: »

We used to have those, they were pretty much empty. Before One Tamriel the zones were leveled and the Caldwell’s Silver and Gold zones were vet rank difficulty. Craglorn was also vet difficulty and upper Crag was the most challenging overland content in the game.

But there was very little interest in the higher difficulty content. The vet zones were empty and the forums were filled with begging to nerf Crag until they finally did.

Just like how tons of people farm normal trials but very few do vet ones, and every week there’s a new thread asking to remove DLC dungeons from the randoms, and people still cry to nerf VMA more, and beg for a safe version of Cyrodil and IC so there’s no risk. The vast majority of players want their content face roll easy, and they want it spoonfed to them. Zeni knows this, and won’t waste development effort on the small number of players who claim otherwise.

Ok I can see your point. So how about making the vet zones where the mob remains the same and only the bosses Will be stronger with better loot.

See it Is not the weak mob that Is bothering me. It Is the weak bosses which are irritating me, especially after they Are often being described as extremely powerfull demigods in the quests and then they are weak as mudcrabs and dead after three strikes.

I don't know how this could be actually Fun for Somebody. This Is totally immersion braking,boring, ridiculous and absolutelly not rewarding at all

Sorbin

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Yes. Even just a single zone filled with Elite enemies and designed for endgame players, both solo and in groups, would be awesome. I think ZOS over-corrected when they nerfed the game's original Vet difficulty. It wasn't the challenge people didn't like, it was the long and arduous slog that it became to reach the endgame. A high-level PvE zone that's part of the endgame and not simply a massive obstacle to reaching it would be enormously welcomed I feel.

Rake

No need. Let everything stay the same and then wonder why ppl move away to play other, more challenging games.

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Rake wrote: »

No need. Let everything stay the same and then wonder why ppl move away to play other, more challenging games.

Yes my point I am not even playing eso at the moment because the current difficulty is designed for 3 years old toddlers And as an adult I want to have some challenge when playing a game

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Yes

Wanted to vote no cliked yes by mistake

Didnt we had those until one tamriel? and werent them always empty?

Bealeb319

What would be the benefit? Vet dungeons have monster helms. Vet raids have better loot. What do you get for vet zones?

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Wanted to vote no cliked yes by mistake

Didnt we had those until one tamriel? and werent them always empty?

So seriously the overland at current state Is Fun for you?

iamkeebler

I don't care

I’m on the fence about this. I remember the vet zones from before One Tamriel and... I hated it. But now that I’m leveled up I do wish there was a more challenging overland area to explore. Craglorn was fun when it first came out, but it isn’t a challenge any more for the more experienced players. I guess I could go either way with it.

BrightOblivion

No

Actually, I voted no because manpower, time, and resources aren't infinite. That means that what's needed to make the back end to allow for veteran zones that also impact delves and public dungeons, to make new and interesting monsters with new and interesting mechanics (because additional health and damage is boring), to come up with and implement new shinies (because if the content isn't rewarding enough, it's DoA), and to keep it all at a point people aren't going "It's too easy" once again when they get better and demand the veteran zones get harder, is going to have to be diverted from somewhere else, first in a ginormous outlay to cover all the zones already released and then every time they release a new zone. So players who aren't a fan of vet zones will in fact be impacted, contrary to popular claims, as they'll receive less to facilitate that new piece of the pie- a piece they don't even care about. For the company itself, it's also effort expended over and over again with limited gain. People are still going to blaze through the zones and never look back, because that's what happens with story zones. If they cut back on the content released with each DLC to facilitate making two versions of each map, the already-present complaints about lack of value would increase, as they would if they had to increase prices of the DLC to pay for more employees (provided Zeni let them do it).

To put it bluntly, the supposed benefits for the people in favor of it don't come remotely close to outweighing the definite costs to everyone. So, irrespective of my personal views about questing, difficulty, or group content, you're getting an emphatic no from me.

On a different note, I've got no idea why people think insulting, belittling, or attacking the character of those who disagree with them is going to accomplish anything positive or win people over to their side. It really doesn't.

jazsper77

No

It’s called Craglorn or do you want to create more empty zones like before 1 Tamriel. If ppl play ESO for difficult gameplay your doing it wrong. ESO is and never will be hard.
Go play some Soulsborne

WeerW3ir

Excu

martygod12 wrote: »

Yes another poll about this .. we need it ASAP .. ok try to write also a reason why Are you voting yes or no

Just for sure. ESO does HAD veteran zones before One Tamriel. Nobody played in them. They were dead.
Veteran zones had a meaning before tho. The story of the other two alliance. Cadwell's Silver and Gold quest was for them, but with One Tamriel and the arriving of CP's and the taking of Veteran rankings the quests just for progress.
Before tho you were forced to do veteran zones to gain veteran rankings, but after a while everybody went to farm into craglorn and when cp14 arrived. the whole idea went ...

So in short. no. we are totaly fine without them. No meaning behind them. Once they were in game, they was boring, zones were dead. lets not relive the past.

Cirantille

I don't care

I don't care

I play the game to chill, easy, difficult whatever

max_only

No

No.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Vet zones would be great. As it is the game is super easy. Heck, I saw a video the other day of a player who soloed Spindleclutch 1 at level 13 on a NO CP character. No death run.

idk

No

We had a veteran zone. Craglorn and it was expanded. It was nerfed multiple times since because it was not what the masses wanted.

Of course the poll is meaningless as OP failed to give it meaning. Some would think OP is talking about a more challenging zone but they really are not saying that, just using a vague generic term.

AcadianPaladin

No

Craglorn was and still is a confused mess.

When I'm overland, I want to relax and enjoy the scenery and/or look for mats, not get bogged down into big fights every few steps. When doing quests, I want to relax and enjoy the quest, not worry about if I'm going to get my butt kicked by the boss and fail the quest. I'm happiest fighting when it feels 'elegant' - that is that my character is powerful and the outcome is a given.

If my character wants to get her butt kicked, there are loads of places she could go for that like Cyrodiil, IC, any trial, any vet DLC dungeon. . . .

The 'Chapter' zones are slightly more difficult than the basic alliance zones. My word would be irritating instead of difficult and that is one reason why I prefer any alliance zone to any chapter/dlc zone.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just expressing my views/opinion (answering the question). We all play for differing reasons and we all seek/enjoy differing levels of challenge.

martygod12

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

Jesus guys I am not saying it should be So hard that you Will need to group for every stupid quest. Is should be easy enough So you can solo it but it should not be definitely as easy as IT Is now. That way too easy.

Just make the bosses harder. Lets say somewhere between public dungeon bosses and starter zone world bosses that good? Hard enough to be a challenge yet still easy enough to solo it.

FierceSam

No

Cos Craglorn was such a roaring success.....

Still unvisited by the majority of players....

Why would ZOS bother developing content that the majority of players don’t even qualify to play in?

If you look at what they are doing they are trying everything to develop new content that ALL players can play in and enjoy.

As far as content difficulty goes there is a clear hierarchy and overland mobs sit firmly on the bottom. They will only ever be a challenge for players who are new or simply can’t play the game, they are intended to be speed bumps not road blocks. The same extends to quest bosses.

World bosses are more like road blocks, some are easy, some require groups, but all are doable and a small minority can solo all of them. They ARE a challenge for the vast majority of players.

ZOS do design content for the most capable players, indeed they have an entire team whose only job is to do this. They pump out 4 dungeons and a trial every year. The mechanics they develop filter down the system and show up in overland content eventually, albeit in a much diluted easier to defeat way.

I don’t know any elite level players who aren’t going to take time out to explore and fully discover the Dragonhold DLC.. and once they have they will be back off to dungeons and trials, bags full of loot and stories

Jeremy

Yes for the love of god finally do IT!!!

martygod12 wrote: »

Yes another poll about this .. we need it ASAP .. ok try to write also a reason why Are you voting yes or no

We need it. This game's landscape content has become far too easy for Veteran Players and adding an optional Veteran Zone for players looking for more of a challenge while they quest and explore would be the best way to to handle it in my opinion. So long as it's optional - I really don't see why anyone should oppose this.