Ebonheart and Daggerfall teaming up against Aldmeri in IC

Nefi87

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Vapirko

Yeah was watching some streamers do that. I’m all about solo and small scale play and trying to 1vX but I’m not sure what these guys get outta stomping noobs as they trickle out one by one.

TequilaFire

In my case on PS4 NA Kaal AD nightcaps every night and paints the map yellow, so AD is our #1 hated target.
Nothing to do with noobs or camping if it is yellow it dies.

BigBragg

In pvp that has three factions, your perspective will always be that you are getting teamed up on. No matter what faction you are on, you will always be fighting the other two. It's just the nature of the beast. Sure once in a great while it is intentional, and it can happen to any side. But more often than not, is just coincidental.

It is also helpful to pay attention to the groups, more than the factions. Judging a whole faction by a particular group within them isn't always the most accurate thing.

Ackwalan

It happens to all alliances. You just don't see it happen because you are not there.

VaranisArano

Camping the ledges outside the home bases is unintended. Hopefully ZOS fixes that. Go ahead and report enemy players who are up there and let ZOS handle it.(Note that camping the entrance back into the base on the ground floor is totally legitimate.)

Team Purple is a different issue. If I were inclined to put the very best construction on things, there's a number of times when there's an appearence of A v A+A or even legitimate tactics like an emperor dethrone that involves A v A+A. Its not even that unusual for two groups to look at each other and go "you know, we wanna farm, and they look tough, let's not fight".

On the other hand, it really does sound like your situation may be a full Team Purple. However, even if that's the case, it may not mean much. If they aren't camping the ledges and they arent trading AP via flag flipping, ZOS probably won't do much. ZOS can't really require players to fight every single enemy group they see.

If Team Purple is camping the ledges together, that's a reportable issue, because enemy players arent supposed to get up on those ledges.

If they were trading AP via flag flipping without fighting each other, that's also reportable. That's a known exploit that got people banned in the past.

Hope that helps break down the issues and what's reportable.

Linaleah

for most of first week, at least in my experience AD kept farming DC and Pact bases, at least on PC. what you describe sounds like trying to get back at AD for doing that. enemy of my enemy is my friend and all.

is that an ok thing? IMO, no, two wrongs do not make a right. does it suck for people who weren't involved in original ganking and are just trying to get their tickets? yes. yes it does. just trying to explain what might be happening here. the joys of pvpve, amirite?

Lazarus_Rising

ArchMikem

The 2v1s are different per server. On Xbox NA its Blues and Yellows ganging up on Reds.

It just proves that people cant handle multiplayers with more than two sides.

Stibbons

Wvw is the same. Streamers have to have guys following and alerting everything to them. Sneakers etc. They also bait people to join the fight and then do nothing. So nothing new here.

Vapirko

ArchMikem wrote: »

The 2v1s are different per server. On Xbox NA its Blues and Yellows ganging up on Reds.

It just proves that people cant handle multiplayers with more than two sides.

No I think it just proves which faction is easiest to farm. On PC/NA it’s been AD for quite some time.

nsmurfer

While I play only DC and dont realy care specifically about AD, from what i have noticed is just sad.

RIght now on PC/NA, every single non-AD streamer and 1vXers from Fengrush, thogard to Pelican, half of the legend, aminosity guild etc has been taking turns to base camp AD. This in turn, pulling more people to do the same. Funny thing is when 30+ of so called "small scalers" are perpetually farming AD before they can get of load screen, some of them even using the boost exploit. The sad part is that even though they would probably beat most of the players without exploits/loading screen BS, they are intentionally choosing to not fight fairly.

AD pop is 1/3rd that of the other two at nearly all times. Most of the players PvPers and PvErs alike are using their DC and EP toons instead of AD.

However, this is essentially ruining the event and PvP on the whole for a significant amount of the playerbase.

Davor

ArchMikem wrote: »

The 2v1s are different per server. On Xbox NA its Blues and Yellows ganging up on Reds.

It just proves that people cant handle multiplayers with more than two sides.

Funny, I see it the other way. Blues and Reds vs Yellows.

For most of us PvE, I am thinking who don't go past the first boss after we get out ticket. So we don't see what is happening at the Blue, Red or Yellow base. Maybe another reason we don't see it, is we can't PvP any good and die before getting there lol.

Thing is, we are throwing out the barrel over a few bad apples. Every alliance has a bad apple. While 99% of people, as an example don't camp and let people get their tickets, the 1% doesn't and makes it seem it's like the two other alliances are in cahoot. In all, I am sure it's just some friends who are teaming up to do this or it's an unwritten rule that if you are a Red base, Blue and Yellow team up, if at Blue base, Red and Yellow team up, and if at Yellow base, Red and Blue team up.

Mr_Walker

Not this again.

Every faction is convinced the other 2 are teaming up on them. Rarely happens, and never large scale or prolonged.

usmguy1234

Nefi87 wrote: »

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Remove faction locks?

SeaGtGruff

Both of my mains (NA and EU) are blues, but I have a number of red and yellow alts. I might have to go into the sewers with some of them to see things from the red and yellow perspectives-- and to see if I can learn my way around their sections of the sewers, the better to sneak around on my blue main (the only character I care about earning achievements on).

Ysbriel

I've been on many fights that end up in DC showing up to help AD as well.

vamp_emily

I suggest calling for help when the sewers are like that. I do and most times people help, sometimes I just cry, give up and go somewhere else.

A while back an EP player came to the forum and complained about how something was unfair and they only had 5 players at fare trying to retrieve their scroll. They accused AD/Dc for something. It was such BS because right around the time he was referring to I was at fare. EP was on front door and I moved to the back wall and started sieging. The real issue was 20+ EP were at glade and I had to death port. Why were the 20+ ep not trying to get their scroll?

So many people come to the forums and cry but always cry about the wrong thing. The real problem is players in their own alliance not helping. For example last night there was a group of AD near our base farming. Only a few of us were trying to kill them. Was it AD's fault ? They were just playing the game. No it was DC's fault because most players were in the district and wouldn't help fight off AD in our part of the sewer.

Now I could understand the OPs complaint if maybe AD had just a few players on and the other 2 factions were poplocked but if that is not the case.. it is fake news. Not once in the campaign I play have I ever heard anyone in zone chat say, "lets go farm ad". There could be a few gankers/small groups in AD/EP sewers but most dc are in the districts.

heaven13

nsmurfer wrote: »

While I play only DC and dont realy care specifically about AD, from what i have noticed is just sad.

RIght now on PC/NA, every single non-AD streamer and 1vXers from Fengrush, thogard to Pelican, half of the legend, aminosity guild etc has been taking turns to base camp AD. This in turn, pulling more people to do the same. Funny thing is when 30+ of so called "small scalers" are perpetually farming AD before they can get of load screen, some of them even using the boost exploit. The sad part is that even though they would probably beat most of the players without exploits/loading screen BS, they are intentionally choosing to not fight fairly.

AD pop is 1/3rd that of the other two at nearly all times. Most of the players PvPers and PvErs alike are using their DC and EP toons instead of AD.

However, this is essentially ruining the event and PvP on the whole for a significant amount of the playerbase.

Not surprising. Even less surprising is that some of the same people were the ones during the anniversary event camping inside quest turn in locations with meatbag sieges, extorting gold from players under the (fake) promise that they'd be allowed to quest, etc. They may be able to do real PvP but these types seem to prefer chaos and griefing.

Thogard

Vapirko wrote: »

Yeah was watching some streamers do that. I’m all about solo and small scale play and trying to 1vX is but I’m not sure what these guys get outta stomping noobs as they trickle out one by one.

About 600k AP

Thogard

heaven13 wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

While I play only DC and dont realy care specifically about AD, from what i have noticed is just sad.

RIght now on PC/NA, every single non-AD streamer and 1vXers from Fengrush, thogard to Pelican, half of the legend, aminosity guild etc has been taking turns to base camp AD. This in turn, pulling more people to do the same. Funny thing is when 30+ of so called "small scalers" are perpetually farming AD before they can get of load screen, some of them even using the boost exploit. The sad part is that even though they would probably beat most of the players without exploits/loading screen BS, they are intentionally choosing to not fight fairly.

AD pop is 1/3rd that of the other two at nearly all times. Most of the players PvPers and PvErs alike are using their DC and EP toons instead of AD.

However, this is essentially ruining the event and PvP on the whole for a significant amount of the playerbase.

Not surprising. Even less surprising is that some of the same people were the ones during the anniversary event camping inside quest turn in locations with meatbag sieges, extorting gold from players under the (fake) promise that they'd be allowed to quest, etc. They may be able to do real PvP but these types seem to prefer chaos and griefing.

Hey! I allowed everyone who paid the licensing fee to quest undisturbed. There was plenty of bodycam footage to prove it. Please take up all complaints with the district supervisor.

Aigym_Hlervu

If the Pact and the Covenant have finally allied - this is good news! This is a war, not a sport competition like Battlegrounds matches to show fair fight. I personally think we all have to unite under a single Red banner and hold the entire map forever. If the lore keeps silent on who wins the War, why not make an agreement ourselves? The war out there is pointless now and it's only the matter of gold, AP and ranks. Can you understand, the only logical way to make everybody win and earn more gold and APs in the present situation is only to unite and cooperate?

Why the Ebonheart Pact?
The Covenant fights to capture the Ruby Throne in order to restore the Second Empire - one of the Evils we the Dunmer once defeated alone by exhausting it on the battlefield and assassinating their leaders. Thus we have liberated all the other races.
The Dominion seeks the way to reestablish Elven dominance over Tamriel - another Evil we still have to defeat.
I urge you to give up fighting for the Dominion or the Covenant and join the ranks of the Ebonheart Pact for we fight only to protect our borders and freedom. To protect all your states preventing any race to dominate the whole continent! Can't you see the Pact is the only party worth fighting for? Victory for the Three.

Holycannoli

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

If the Pact and the Covenant have finally allied - this is good news! This is a war, not a sport competition like Battlegrounds matches to show fair fight. I personally think we all have to unite under a single Red banner and hold the entire map forever. If the lore keeps silent on who wins the War, why not make an agreement ourselves? The war out there is pointless now and it's only the matter of gold, AP and ranks. Can you understand, the only logical way to make everybody win and earn more gold and APs in the present situation is only to unite and cooperate?

Why the Ebonheart Pact?
The Covenant fights to capture the Ruby Throne in order to restore the Second Empire - one of the Evils we the Dunmer once defeated alone by exhausting it on the battlefield and assassinating their leaders. Thus we have liberated all the other races.
The Dominion seeks the way to reestablish Elven dominance over Tamriel - another Evil we still have to defeat.
I urge you to give up fighting for the Dominion or the Covenant and join the ranks of the Ebonheart Pact for we fight only to protect our borders and freedom. To protect all your states preventing any race to dominate the whole continent! Can't you see the Pact is the only party worth fighting for? Victory for the Three.

If you join the Ebonheart Pact though you fight for and alongside slave owners https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Slaves

"Slavery is protected by law in Morrowind. Slavery is illegal throughout the rest of the Empire. But some Dunmer still defend their 'ancient right' to own slaves. In Morrowind slaves are bound by enchanted slaver bracers. The bracers drain the magicka from the slaves so they can't use magic to escape. Unless you have a key, you can't get the slave bracers off. The Emperor should put a stop to slavery, but the Dunmer claim the right to own slaves is gauranteed by the Armistice."

(This is a videogame relax everyone, nobody is condoning slavery by playing Dunmer or Ebonheart Pact )

TequilaFire

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Nefi87 wrote: »

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Remove faction locks?

There are no faction locks in IC. lol

jaws343

If there are a handful of players from two alliances teamed up in IC, does it really make a difference? Say you have 5 players, 3 blue, 2 yellow, fighting against you. There is zero difference between that situation and a situation where 5 blues are fighting against you; you are still fighting 5 players teamed up together. Except, in the case of the two alliances, they can damage each other, so really, teaming with other from another alliance is a hindrance.

Aigym_Hlervu

Holycannoli wrote: »

If you join the Ebonheart Pact though you fight for and alongside slave owners https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Slaves

(This is a videogame relax everyone, nobody is condoning slavery by playing Dunmer or Ebonheart Pact )

1. We all use those "hirelings" to gather resources the same way those Argonian slaves gather salt rice from the plantations of Suran and Sadrith Mora. We do not pay them and they cannot refuse to work or disobey. This is slavery too.
2. Pacrooti the Khajiit has already sold to us way more of his senche-raht kin than any of the Dunmer slave markets has ever sold. There is no quest to earn those senche-raht trust and friendship. You just pay him and get your slave mount to serve you. This is slavery too.
3. Dunmer do not export slavery traditions to anyone in Tamriel. You don't like slaver raids - you drive them off. The Dominion and Covenant will not perform anything of that kind. They'll just conquer your land and will do just the same thing Euraxia did to the Khajiiti of Rimmen. She just came to a foreign land conquered and enslaved it's citizens. Ask Abnur Tharn for more details. That is the true form of slavery.

As you see your slavery point is not the argument. There is only one way for an honest man or mer in this War - to join the Pact.
Yes, this is a video game, so we are discussing a video game here! But this game is also a whole new world! Should this be an explanation to all those dishonest acts like joining the Necromancers and those warmonging Alliances who seek the way enslave everyone and dictate their will? I think no. I hope ZOS will turn those Necromancers unplayable or just give us some tool to execute them instantly on sight for all the evil their Cult has done to all of us personally at least.

vivisectvib16_ESO

Nefi87 wrote: »

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Wait, stop what behaviour? Playing the game and forming an alliance against an overpopulated faction? I say this as someone who has a max level AD toon: get over it.

Naftal

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

Nefi87 wrote: »

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Wait, stop what behaviour? Playing the game and forming an alliance against an overpopulated faction? I say this as someone who has a max level AD toon: get over it.

Overpopulated? But other factions have as many players.

And it's about camping, not "playing the game and forming an alliance against...".

Then there are the exploiters who get on the platforms.

vivisectvib16_ESO

Naftal wrote: »

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

Nefi87 wrote: »

I am sure most of you are aware of this, as it is happening on a daily bases now in Imperial city.

This is not right and it is definitely not fair. Both groups camping the Aldmeri base not attacking each other. Is there nothing that could be done against this behaviour?

Wait, stop what behaviour? Playing the game and forming an alliance against an overpopulated faction? I say this as someone who has a max level AD toon: get over it.

Overpopulated? But other factions have as many players.

And it's about camping, not "playing the game and forming an alliance against...".

Then there are the exploiters who get on the platforms.

Okay definitely against exploits, but I'm pretty sure AD is the most popular faction, no? Wasn't there a stat on this published somewhere?

Aigym_Hlervu

What is this about those exploiters who get on the platforms? What platforms do you mean? Sorry, but I'm not aware of it. Is that really an exploit or just a specific tactic?

Agenericname

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

What is this about those exploiters who get on the platforms? What platforms do you mean? Sorry, but I'm not aware of it. Is that really an exploit or just a specific tactic?

When you first enter the sewers from your home base. From what I could tell people were using gap closers to get up there.

It doesn't appear to be intentional gameplay, but to my knowledge ZOS really hasn't said much about it.