Gay in ESO

craybest

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You all know this thread's gonna get locked when Gina and her crew clock back in Monday.

I wish that they'd leave threads like this open for discussion, so long as the discussion remains civil. I've seen negative reactions in-game to guilds advertised as LGBT+ inclusive and I *do* think it's important to discuss...

i agree, but it's hard for it to happen when you have people who troll these topics purposedly to get them locked and the topic undiscussed, and others who post really agressive replies who have absolutely no place in any message board.

Austinseph1

Ackwalan wrote: »

What's ironic, you can advertise a LFBT guild but you can't advertise a hetro guild.

I would say either LGBTQ only guild or a hetero only would both be pretty dumb, it doesn’t matter what you are because in Tamriel we will all return to the void just the same. We all the same just play and have fun without worrying about what you are IRL.

MLGProPlayer

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You all know this thread's gonna get locked when Gina and her crew clock back in Monday.

I wish that they'd leave threads like this open for discussion, so long as the discussion remains civil. I've seen negative reactions in-game to guilds advertised as LGBT+ inclusive and I *do* think it's important to discuss...

It's something that needs to be talked about (but moderated heavily). The gaming industry is legging badly behind the rest of society in dealing with homophobia. Publishers tread lightly because a large part of their customer base are homophobic, but they can't sweep the issue under a rug forever.

BloodSkull_ESO

Why does it even *** matter? I feel like this thread was created to be bait.

Tavore1138

Royalthought wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

amapola76 wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

The real issue is why?

Playing for years and never understood why what people are into has to be promoted on a video game of all places.

When being validated has to do with the attention you get from others, the real issue is a personal one.

Search the forums and see how rare it is that people "come out," announcing they're a Eskimos, married, politicians, gymnasts, Asians, Africans, etc..

There's 1 group that does it all the time. No other group projects themselves as afraid if they don't project their status in the eyes of everyone in the world.

Let that sink in.

Oh, that's just not even remotely true. I see people mention all kinds of personal facts about themselves all the time on the forum: whether they are married or have a boyfriend/girlfriend, what they do for a living, what pets they have, what country they live in, what their non-gaming hobbies are, etc. People should be comfortable mentioning as much or as little about themselves as they like, as long it's pursuant to the forum rules, and orientation is no exception to that.

OP asked a perfectly reasonable question, as online harassment is sadly still a thing, particularly for members of historically oppressed groups. That being said, I will agree with other posts above and note that *for the most part* ESO is a friendly place and I have seen relatively little harassment compared to other games I have played over the last 15 years or so. But OP, it ultimately all comes down to your personal comfortable level. Just know that there are people out there who will have your back if you are harassed.

You're wrong. Most groups have no issue mentioning anything about themselves if the topic comes up. That's missing the point.

However they do not consider themselves afriad for not coming out. They don't project any need for such attention.

There are groups, african, natives, etc. that have faced far and away greater oppression than that yet they dont have coming out events. That is a culture particular to one group.

Taking a wild guess there is a quite obvious legitimate reasons for that - 'coming out' is something that tends to be done to people that the person already knows and has pre-existing relationships with - whereas it is pretty unlikely that you are going to reach the age of 18 or 20 or whatever without your family realising you are the same race as they are or your peer group taking a wild guess at your skin tone it is quite possible that someone's family and close friends may not know that they are 'gay'. Therefore the coming out process might well lead to the loss of what were previously fine family or friend relationships in a way that simply being one of those groups will not.

So the oppression level may be less but the cost in losing previously good relations with friends or family could be much higher (although their are still nations where it is punishable by death and others where acceptance might be on the surface only)

That's not what we are discussing. People discuss any and everything with those they are close to. People of every background. That's not what we are discussing.

We are talking about being afraid to "come out" on a video game forum. Coming out on eso. To consider yourself afraid if you don't broadcast what your into to complete strangers on platforms where it isn't relevant. No other group, in spite of the horrors they've endured, does that.

And again, it's wrong to say the cost is higher. World history has done far worst to people for simply existing. No choice involved.

Do people come out a lot on this forum? I haven't noticed and I've been here since they launched? If I were needing to come out about anything I certainly wouldn't choose online to do so but then I am of an age where I didn't grow up with social media as a norm so I guess that's for the younger folks?

As for the more general cost thing, I think you miss my point - of course there is far greater overall oppression to, for example, someone coloured in the US who risks getting shot simply because of their skin.... but at the same time they are very unlikely to face the immediate pain of a parent disowning them because of that skin. Whereas someone can come out to their friends and family and face the more immediate cost of people who they loved and trusted disowning them. Skin colour or any other physically obvious thing is never something you are going to have to 'come out' about unless you live around very unobservant people.

It's not a matter of the level of cost but the unexpected nature of it I would think. Really you'd need someone who has experienced both to comment and that's not me.

J2JMC

zParallaxz wrote: »

Let me be that guy to stir the pot and make a “All Black Group/ Black Power” guild. Or would that be discriminating against other groups because they don’t have the same color as skin as me? I’m sorry but coming from someone who’s received discrimination, there is a particular group that feels the need to stand out even though they’ve received far less discrimination compared to other groups like Jewish people. Imagine a “Jewish Only Group”

So you could have easily suggested making a black person friendly guild titled "The Last Dragons". This references a popular movie among black culture which many black people (Americans at least) can relate to, and it maintains an Elder Scrolls theme within the naming scheme. Not a single person would have a problem with this. Instead, you suggested that all people who aren't black be excluded from a guild named "Black Power".

There's a difference between creating a group that ensures members with certain traits aren't harassed and creating a group where only members who have specific traits are allowed. It's a very simple distinction. I doubt you're so stupid that you can't see this simple distinction. So my question to you is this: why are you responding in such a way that intentionally ignores such an obvious distinction? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I just want you to say it instead of hiding behind strawman arguments.

@zParallaxz

Royalthought

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

amapola76 wrote: »

Royalthought wrote: »

The real issue is why?

Playing for years and never understood why what people are into has to be promoted on a video game of all places.

When being validated has to do with the attention you get from others, the real issue is a personal one.

Search the forums and see how rare it is that people "come out," announcing they're a Eskimos, married, politicians, gymnasts, Asians, Africans, etc..

There's 1 group that does it all the time. No other group projects themselves as afraid if they don't project their status in the eyes of everyone in the world.

Let that sink in.

Oh, that's just not even remotely true. I see people mention all kinds of personal facts about themselves all the time on the forum: whether they are married or have a boyfriend/girlfriend, what they do for a living, what pets they have, what country they live in, what their non-gaming hobbies are, etc. People should be comfortable mentioning as much or as little about themselves as they like, as long it's pursuant to the forum rules, and orientation is no exception to that.

OP asked a perfectly reasonable question, as online harassment is sadly still a thing, particularly for members of historically oppressed groups. That being said, I will agree with other posts above and note that *for the most part* ESO is a friendly place and I have seen relatively little harassment compared to other games I have played over the last 15 years or so. But OP, it ultimately all comes down to your personal comfortable level. Just know that there are people out there who will have your back if you are harassed.

You're wrong. Most groups have no issue mentioning anything about themselves if the topic comes up. That's missing the point.

However they do not consider themselves afriad for not coming out. They don't project any need for such attention.

There are groups, african, natives, etc. that have faced far and away greater oppression than that yet they dont have coming out events. That is a culture particular to one group.

Taking a wild guess there is a quite obvious legitimate reasons for that - 'coming out' is something that tends to be done to people that the person already knows and has pre-existing relationships with - whereas it is pretty unlikely that you are going to reach the age of 18 or 20 or whatever without your family realising you are the same race as they are or your peer group taking a wild guess at your skin tone it is quite possible that someone's family and close friends may not know that they are 'gay'. Therefore the coming out process might well lead to the loss of what were previously fine family or friend relationships in a way that simply being one of those groups will not.

So the oppression level may be less but the cost in losing previously good relations with friends or family could be much higher (although their are still nations where it is punishable by death and others where acceptance might be on the surface only)

That's not what we are discussing. People discuss any and everything with those they are close to. People of every background. That's not what we are discussing.

We are talking about being afraid to "come out" on a video game forum. Coming out on eso. To consider yourself afraid if you don't broadcast what your into to complete strangers on platforms where it isn't relevant. No other group, in spite of the horrors they've endured, does that.

And again, it's wrong to say the cost is higher. World history has done far worst to people for simply existing. No choice involved.

Do people come out a lot on this forum? I haven't noticed and I've been here since they launched? If I were needing to come out about anything I certainly wouldn't choose online to do so but then I am of an age where I didn't grow up with social media as a norm so I guess that's for the younger folks?

As for the more general cost thing, I think you miss my point - of course there is far greater overall oppression to, for example, someone coloured in the US who risks getting shot simply because of their skin.... but at the same time they are very unlikely to face the immediate pain of a parent disowning them because of that skin. Whereas someone can come out to their friends and family and face the more immediate cost of people who they loved and trusted disowning them. Skin colour or any other physically obvious thing is never something you are going to have to 'come out' about unless you live around very unobservant people.

It's not a matter of the level of cost but the unexpected nature of it I would think. Really you'd need someone who has experienced both to comment and that's not me.

Religious converts, sexual predators, politicians, etc. May all have been disowned by their parents. That's not exclusive. It's hurtful but people still faced consequences of certain decisions in addition to being oppressed for simply existing.

***But we arent talking about conversation between people that are close.*** (Addresing it as if we are clouds the issue)

Remember we are all anonymous here. There's no John the 32 year old Caucasian Democrat priest. It's Nightmare the khakiit dk or something. Lol

Of all the horrors that other groups endured they dont consider themselves afraid for just being a dk or templar. Only 1 group has coming out events. Why consider yourself afraid if we all are anonymous?

ZonasArch

ArchMikem wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Gay is the new Straight.

It would definitely make for a more light hearted world, that's for sure.

And also the end of the species.

Nah... We have enough science for that now. I think we would be fine. Unsure though, you could be right

Geldauran

There's lots of F/F relations in ESO for obvious reasons. But I don't ever recall seeing any mentions of M/M. There's Vivec and Molag Bal I guess.

FrancisCrawford

Stibbons wrote: »

I think they should make Sai Sahan come out and tell that he is gay.

That would break Lyris' heart.

FrancisCrawford

Geldauran wrote: »

There's lots of F/F relations in ESO for obvious reasons. But I don't ever recall seeing any mentions of M/M. There's Vivec and Molag Bal I guess.

Huh?

Many people count the gay male Bosmer couple quest as one of the best in ESO. There also are some characters who flirt heavily with your character irrespective of sex, and some of them are male. Jarkarn is one; another is the male Argonian prostitute in the outlaw den in one of the Nord capital cities (I think Windhelm).

MajBludd

How are pixels gay or straight and how do they represent real people if they are themselves, not real?

FrancisCrawford

As for "coming out", I take that to mean disclosing your orientation to people who've previously made the default assumption that you had a more conventional one. Not relevant if people don't know you (or know of you, in the case of celebrities) well enough to have and opinion or care in the first place.

Nordic__Knights

First I don't see why this should be here second what does it matter at the end of the daywhat anybody sexual orientation is in a video game we all are just a made-up character that is controlled by a controller get this *** off the forms it's stupid

ConstanKar

I've been in the closet for a while now since I'm scared I will get kicked out of the Ebonheart pact army and become destitute.

Reverb

Mitrenga wrote: »

ESO is next level.
You cna even romance/have intercourse between different races.

As a mixed race man I assure you that’s a thing irl too, it’s not exactly next level

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

Why can't we all just leave our bedroom preferences in the bedroom?

You must not have zone chat on much.

dogman wrote: »

why the *** do i gotta see this kind of threads i just wanna kill dragons *** off with your fetishes

A game without other people might be more your speed. That way you’ll never have to tolerate anyone different from you. Many single player games even have dragons! Go go.

zParallaxz

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

why the *** do i gotta see this kind of threads i just wanna kill dragons *** off with your fetishes

...did you just write off all non-straight sexual orientations as "fetishes"?

Did you assume that being anything but heterosexual was objectively and subjectively normal? His opinion that being anything but heterosexual is as valid as your opinion that every sexuality is normal.

nosecookie

Gay in eso is totally a thing. I'm roleplaying a super slutty lesbian bosmer with big tatas.

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