Dizzying Swing + Onslaught Too OP= NO SKILLZ NEEDED...

LuxLunae

So I decided to not use my Templar

Templar Circle+ Lord Warden...

and got on my other class...

I went in thinking I was Hot Stuff...

I was about to wound up to do dizzying swing over and over again...but then I was flown back and while in the air I was onslaughted...

This was in CP Cyrodil PVP.... So then I was like...wait I am a Freking NB!!!...

I was running a sword n board...with Non-Stealth cloak (stupid idea NEVER get the stupid healing cloak for pvp I was using it some 6 months ago or something when the heals were not nerfed.)

I went to go pull out my trusty hundings rage with Vicious Ophidian... Used some skill points for onslaught...


and it went

Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....
Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....
Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....

Now I am going back and I am going to use this in BGs...I was so stupid Dizzying over and over again...ignoring Execute... all I had to do was hit that Onslaught.. and if they lived...surprise attack them quick... and hope for that crit!!!

Since I can easy drop and get resources back via vicious ophidian and NB technique.. I will probably remove stam recov and start investing either into heavy armor or weapon damage...

Vicious Ophidian is free for all to get in the trials of Craglorn...but the magica version of this set sits behind a paywall...

I always wondered why NBs were all glass cannons.. I was already good at hiding with my crouch technique... the added cloak is even better!!!

I really love NB and the previous changes across the board because it made a complex pvp system that took skills and time in ESO and made me able to just

Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....


VO allows me to ignore all stamina recov requirements kinda like a DK with their green dragon blood.. and put it all into weapon damage... infused...

Magica isn't weak...it's just that your best set sits behind elswyr...Crit, Crit, spell damage 8% reduction on magica abilities.

If I ever got my hands on that....man...

StrandedMonkey

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I decided to not use my Templar

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

nuttytom

Ok

RaveRaveRaveRave

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

Yup, Templar is super unfair advantage in PVP right now. Nearly everyone is being one. Worst I've seen in a while. Way more Plars than there used to be Pet Sorcs....it's very sad they all think they're GodPlars together. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.

StormeReigns

On MTv's next episode of "My sweet 16..."

Waffennacht

See I go: Bones, Snipe, Injection, Tether, repeat.

Thing about onslaught is, they gotta be in range.

I also immediately roll dodge after a CC break; and because of major protection and minor main etc; I don't die to a 2 hit combo

Heimpai

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I decided to not use my Templar

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

“I use onslaught but not templar therefor templar is op not onslaught“ fixed*

FearlessOne_2014

Bluestin

I legitimately don't understand the "Templar is broken" thing that has come up after damage over time effects were buffed. The only things that changed about Templar were Solar barrage having its damage reduced by 33% and Vampire's bane losing some of its direct damage for slightly increased damage over time.

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at, but other than that I really don't get it; they haven't changed much since Murkmire.

max_only

Someone explain op please. I can’t tell. Are they a Nightblade? Are they a Templar? Are they getting killed by onslaught? Or are they a Nightblade who cloaks until they can use onslaught and picks the obvious mage character after all their stamina has been drained by rolling and breaking free?

Help me out here guys, this seems complex.

Kel

max_only wrote: »

Someone explain op please. I can’t tell. Are they a Nightblade? Are they a Templar? Are they getting killed by onslaught? Or are they a Nightblade who cloaks until they can use onslaught and picks the obvious mage character after all their stamina has been drained by rolling and breaking free?

Help me out here guys, this seems complex.

I'm with you.

I've read it several times and I still dont get it.

VO in PvP? 😖

x48rph

Just looks like a vague way of trying to call for the skills to get nerfed with out actually saying that.Dizzy and onslaught are fine. Not every skill should hit like a wet noodle.

Jeremy

Bluestin wrote: »

I legitimately don't understand the "Templar is broken" thing that has come up after damage over time effects were buffed. The only things that changed about Templar were Solar barrage having its damage reduced by 33% and Vampire's bane losing some of its direct damage for slightly increased damage over time.

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at, but other than that I really don't get it; they haven't changed much since Murkmire.

I haven't noticed much of a change either. Living Dark can be a little annoying... I guess. But if they are overpowered I certainly haven't seen it. I always breath a little easier when I notice it's a Templar wailing on me.

HowlKimchi

What is the OP on right now?I wouldnt like some.

Commancho

OP start to play bgs over lvl 50 already.

xeha_arwen11

Bluestin wrote: »

I legitimately don't understand the "Templar is broken" thing that has come up after damage over time effects were buffed. The only things that changed about Templar were Solar barrage having its damage reduced by 33% and Vampire's bane losing some of its direct damage for slightly increased damage over time.

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at, but other than that I really don't get it; they haven't changed much since Murkmire.

Everyone seems to be ignoring this for some reason. Like they despise templars. The templar class abilities have been GUTTED. Templars have been terribly damaged. Now because people are spamming a couple of stupid moves by ZOS on templars, people want the templar class to be utterly and completely gutted in every way. It's depressing. My main has always been a templar; I hate to say this, but I will lose all motivation to play the game if my templar gets completely nerfed, especially after the damage that has already been done to them.

Jabs now uses the older more terrible camera. Jabs are almost unusable as a spammable. They miss most hits due to their wonkiness when comparing them with other spammables.

Blazing spear has a 42 percent damage reduction. Absolutely devastating.
Solar Barrage is 33 percent weaker. Also terrible.
Purifying light's healing is greatly reduced as well.

My magplar rotation was completely ruined. And now people want the other templar abilities to be destroyed. I want them to be fixed, not ruined.

Rake

l2p
stop fabricating truth
u aint even good at that

Marcus_Thracius

gut the templars as they killed the nightblade

Artemiisia

Commancho wrote: »

OP start to play bgs over lvl 50 already.

Since the OP is using Vicious Ophidian, I have it for higher places that in fact hes doing bgs at lvl50

IlCanis_LupuslI

So I decided to not use my Templar

Templar Circle+ Lord Warden(why on earth lord warden, if you want tank Ness and utility bloods pawn) ...

and got on my other class...

I went in thinking I was Hot Stuff...

I was about to wound up to do dizzying swing over and over again...but then I was flown back and while in the air I was onslaughted...

This was in CP Cyrodil PVP.... So then I was like...wait I am a Freking NB!!!...

I was running a sword n board...with Non-Stealth cloak (stupid idea NEVER get the stupid healing cloak for pvp I was using it some 6 months ago or something when the heals were not nerfed.)My nb healer does just fine in a ballgroup with it. Why SnB on nb?

I went to go pull out my trusty hundings rage with Vicious Ophidian... Used some skill points for onslaught... (has the cheapest bursties ult in game. Uses onslought. Vo=no just no, r u even using impen? Use bone pirate 4 sustain.


and it went

Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....
Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....
Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....

Now I am going back and I am going to use this in BGs...I was so stupid Dizzying over and over again...ignoring Execute... all I had to do was hit that Onslaught.. and if they lived...surprise attack them quick... and hope for that crit!!!(I legit haven't been killed by that ult yt(well unless there were 10+ people on me. Afer getting hit, cc him and then kite 10 seconds then counter ult or just pressure him so much he stays defensive. Block or dodge the dizzys. Running in circles around him helps.

Since I can easy drop and get resources back via vicious ophidian and NB technique.. I will probably remove stam recov and start investing either into heavy armor or weapon damage...

Vicious Ophidian is free for all to get in the trials of Craglorn...but the magica version of this set sits behind a paywall...

I always wondered why NBs were all glass cannons.. (it depends on how you build your char. Nb has the best mitigation skills in game atm. My nb healer has only 20k resistances but(spec bow +10k effective resistances, dark cloak 5k effective resistances, fear 10k effective resistance from maim.) I was already good at hiding with my crouch technique... the added cloak is even better!!!
Dark cloak is pretty nice. If you want to improve in pvp don't use a class where you can avoid fighting people on a even ground, i only started improving as I went away from 2 shot ting people from Stealth. I recommend stamsorc. The high mobility is pretty fun.
I really love NB and the previous changes across the board because it made a complex pvp system that took skills and time in ESO and made me able to just

Bing, Bing, Stamina back, cloak, NEXT....(my stamsorc has no issues with nb lol)


VO allows me to ignore all stamina recov requirements kinda like a DK with their green dragon blood.. and put it all into weapon damage... infused...

Magica isn't weak...it's just that your best set sits behind elswyr...Crit, Crit, spell damage 8% reduction on magica abilities. (mag isn't weak.... Magplar and Mag dk are arguably the strongest melee dps in pvp atm... And don't wear trial sets in pvp please it's cringy.


If I ever got my hands on that....man...
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I'm assuming you r more of a pve player inform yourself before going pvp.
Fighting people is a bit different then fighting npcs. People usually have a sense of self preservation.

ZarkingFrued

Heimpai wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I decided to not use my Templar

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

“I use onslaught but not templar therefor templar is op not onslaught“ fixed*

You're assuming there is a problem

Vapirko

RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

Yup, Templar is super unfair advantage in PVP right now. Nearly everyone is being one. Worst I've seen in a while. Way more Plars than there used to be Pet Sorcs....it's very sad they all think they're GodPlars together. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.

I run into very few Stamplar so idk what you’re talking about. I think you’re bad and dying to the few good Stamplars again and again. Also Stamplar got no buffs to damage so how could they suddenly be OP?

IlCanis_LupuslI

I have a stamplar I took for a 1h spin(reward rank s) wasn't impressed I prefer my stamsorc higher mobility better sustain, bursting people is harder then plar but hits just as hard.

Olupajmibanan

I've played a lot of BGs lately on multiple characters.

My observations:
1. There is noticeable increase in numbers of Dizzy Swing users.
2. There is somewhat more stamplars than usual but it's not as much as many players claim. In case of magplars, it's the same as usual.
3. The only thing I have problem with Templars, Dizzy Swing and also Scatter Shot is very unresponsive CC break from knocks.
4. Eclipse is unneccesarily annoying.
5. Most stamplars die very quickly. This is caused by mass hysteria "ROLL A PHAKING STAMPLAR, IT'S SOOOO OP RIGHT NOW". They got something in hands they don't understand to and than they wonder why their super OP stamplar doesn't work like in the videos.
6. Single target dots got buffed but still Dizzy burst combo is the most common thing. Templar class Purge isn't going to cut it. Magplars won't die anyways, they sticked to their good old SnB back bar and spamming Breath while blocking. No Dizzy Swing puppet can break even just a half skilled magplar.

Vapirko

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I've played a lot of BGs lately on multiple characters.

My observations:
1. There is noticeable increase in numbers of Dizzy Swing users.
2. There is somewhat more stamplars than usual but it's not as much as many players claim. In case of magplars, it's the same as usual.
3. The only thing I have problem with Templars, Dizzy Swing and also Scatter Shot is very unresponsive CC break from knocks.
4. Eclipse is unneccesarily annoying.
5. Most stamplars die very quickly. This is caused by mass hysteria "ROLL A PHAKING STAMPLAR, IT'S SOOOO OP RIGHT NOW". They got something in hands they don't understand to and than they wonder why their super OP stamplar doesn't work like in the videos.
6. Single target dots got buffed but still Dizzy burst combo is the most common thing. Templar class Purge isn't going to cut it. Magplars won't die anyways, they sticked to their good old SnB back bar and spamming Breath while blocking. No Dizzy Swing puppet can break even just a half skilled magplar.

THIS IS NOT A STAMPLAR ISSUE.

Everyone on the forums: Stamplars are so OP, dizzy swing and onslaught is the reason. Somehow Stamplar damage is now OP despite no damage buffs.

GallantGuardian

Bluestin wrote: »

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at.

I honestly don’t see why this ability needs to be looked at ... I realize you aren’t on the nerf templar band wagon

But this ability has always reflect damage back

The root is no different then talons it’s no more spammable nor does it lock anyone Down longer

It can’t be used more often then as long as it takes for the persons immunity to wear off

So I don’t see how or why I needs to be looked at

I don’t pvp I’m coming at this from a pve aspect

Olupajmibanan

Vapirko wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I've played a lot of BGs lately on multiple characters.

My observations:
1. There is noticeable increase in numbers of Dizzy Swing users.
2. There is somewhat more stamplars than usual but it's not as much as many players claim. In case of magplars, it's the same as usual.
3. The only thing I have problem with Templars, Dizzy Swing and also Scatter Shot is very unresponsive CC break from knocks.
4. Eclipse is unneccesarily annoying.
5. Most stamplars die very quickly. This is caused by mass hysteria "ROLL A PHAKING STAMPLAR, IT'S SOOOO OP RIGHT NOW". They got something in hands they don't understand to and than they wonder why their super OP stamplar doesn't work like in the videos.
6. Single target dots got buffed but still Dizzy burst combo is the most common thing. Templar class Purge isn't going to cut it. Magplars won't die anyways, they sticked to their good old SnB back bar and spamming Breath while blocking. No Dizzy Swing puppet can break even just a half skilled magplar.

THIS IS NOT A STAMPLAR ISSUE.

Everyone on the forums: Stamplars are so OP, dizzy swing and onslaught is the reason. Somehow Stamplar damage is now OP despite no damage buffs.

U highlighted my statement that my only issue with templars is unresponsive CC break from their Javelin/TopplingCharge. Than you start talking about damage of stamplars and 2h. Wut? I did not say a single word about damage of stamplars nor 2h skills.

Deathlord92

max_only wrote: »

Someone explain op please. I can’t tell. Are they a Nightblade? Are they a Templar? Are they getting killed by onslaught? Or are they a Nightblade who cloaks until they can use onslaught and picks the obvious mage character after all their stamina has been drained by rolling and breaking free?

Help me out here guys, this seems complex.

My head hurts just trying to understand what he means 😂

Bluestin

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Bluestin wrote: »

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at.

I don’t pvp I’m coming at this from a pve aspect

In my case I was talking from a PvP standpoint. I should have clarified that in my original post. The issue I have with it is mostly the immobilize frequency coupled with the duration. Living Dark is always active for a duration once it has been cast; alternatively Talons must be cast each time the immobilization effect is desired. As I said however, it is mostly annoying and not entirely game-play altering.

When I said "It should get looked at" perhaps it could have the duration of the immobilize adjusted.

GallantGuardian

Bluestin wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Bluestin wrote: »

Living Dark is certainly annoying to fight against and should get looked at.

I don’t pvp I’m coming at this from a pve aspect

In my case I was talking from a PvP standpoint. I should have clarified that in my original post. The issue I have with it is mostly the immobilize frequency coupled with the duration. Living Dark is always active for a duration once it has been cast; alternatively Talons must be cast each time the immobilization effect is desired. As I said however, it is mostly annoying and not entirely game-play altering.

When I said "It should get looked at" perhaps it could have the duration of the immobilize adjusted.

Just for comparison sake

Both talons and living dark last for 4 seconds

The immobilize on eclipse only lasts 3 seconds opposed to talons 4

You’re immune for the same amount of time til it can be applied again to you

They are both instant casts

And roughly cost the same talons being slightly less

I just don’t see how one is worst then the other

Maybe up the amount it time of eclipse to 4 seconds immobilize so they match

But otherwise I don’t see them being much different I don’t know why one should be looked at and the other shouldn’t

Honestly when living dark was first shown I honestly would rather it be a point blank aoe root with as large a radius as talons

So to me I don’t want it to work the way it’s working anyway I just worry instead of making it a point blank aoe that it will lose its immobilize all together and templar lose their only decent immobilize

InvictusApollo

RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

onslaught isnt broken bud its templar

Yup, Templar is super unfair advantage in PVP right now. Nearly everyone is being one. Worst I've seen in a while. Way more Plars than there used to be Pet Sorcs....it's very sad they all think they're GodPlars together. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.

Strange cause my dark cloak magblade is as tanky and powerfull as my magplar. And my magplar is almost unkillable even if I'm faced with two or three enemies. In noCP ofcourse as I don't need crutch points to make my build good.
Thus I am adamant that it's not the matter of templar being OP. It's just that it is quite easy right now to make a good templar build while it takes much more theorycraftring skill to make a good magblade or anything else.