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Official Discussion Thread for "Dragonhold & Update 24 Preview"

  • Asardes
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    No trial or arena included with this DLC? I've read the article and it makes no mention of this. The only DLC that lacked one was Dark Brotherhood. It would be awesome to have a new solo or 4 man arena.
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  • Elsonso
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    Asardes wrote: »
    No trial or arena included with this DLC? I've read the article and it makes no mention of this. The only DLC that lacked one was Dark Brotherhood. It would be awesome to have a new solo or 4 man arena.

    They may have more in the DLC than they have announced. We will find out on Monday.
    2022: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
    "Tamriel One was fun and engaging, Tamriel Once .... not so much." - Jaraal, March 9, 2022
    "Stop treating the combat in this game as some sort of lab experiment." - code65536, July 18, 2022
    Best summary of Update 35: "SAY NO TO MUSTARD IN YOUR DOUGHNUT !" - pklemming, August 9, 2022.

    ><)))*>

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  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    No new trial / arena? Was expecting at least a new mini trial or solo arena... Not a very climatic ending to the dragon stuff sadly.
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  • Pyr0xyrecuprotite
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    Asardes wrote: »
    No trial or arena included with this DLC? I've read the article and it makes no mention of this. The only DLC that lacked one was Dark Brotherhood. It would be awesome to have a new solo or 4 man arena.

    They may have more in the DLC than they have announced. We will find out on Monday.

    @lordrichter
    The first preview will be during ESO Live today (Sept 13, not Monday), at 4pm EDT:
    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56965
  • MasterSpatula
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    So, had we decided that fighting dragons wasn't enough of a PITA already?

    If they start flying away if no one engages in time, no one is ever going to bother with Sandblown Dragonscour again.
    Edited by MasterSpatula on September 13, 2019 9:09PM
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • Elsonso
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    So, had we decided that fighting dragons wasn't enough of a PITA already?

    If they start flying away if no one engages in time, no one is ever going to bother with Sandblown Dragonscour again.

    I am happy that they have improved the dragons. Although, the sky coloring seems a little bit not right. They can leave that part out.
    2022: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
    "Tamriel One was fun and engaging, Tamriel Once .... not so much." - Jaraal, March 9, 2022
    "Stop treating the combat in this game as some sort of lab experiment." - code65536, July 18, 2022
    Best summary of Update 35: "SAY NO TO MUSTARD IN YOUR DOUGHNUT !" - pklemming, August 9, 2022.

    ><)))*>

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ElsonsoJannus
  • Cinbri
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    So there will be another stream on Monday about combat changes. Seems there will be some tough changes and lot of rage
  • MehrunesFlagon
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    I never asked for that myself.Besides one has to realize that it wouldn't hinder Finn's team's progress on trials.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    So there will be another stream on Monday about combat changes. Seems there will be some tough changes and lot of rage
    Yep. It is the 1st time they do the patch review themselves lol. There will be some brutal changes.
    Thankfully, after Nerfmire, Nerfstone, Nerfsweyr and Gamebreaker I no longer care. Everything I loved is gone... I only do crafting dailies pretty much. So I guess... well.. they might as well remove everything combat related and it will not affect me.

    Bring it on ZOS. I am not afraid of you anymore.
  • AVaelham
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    The new dragon mechanics and aesthetics update looks seriously awesome! And that Alfiq temple of Khenarthi is so cute. Judging from the preview we just saw in the Live stream I have to say this zone looks very promising and seems to have depth both story and lore wise. Good job, ZOS!
  • MasterSpatula
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    So, had we decided that fighting dragons wasn't enough of a PITA already?

    If they start flying away if no one engages in time, no one is ever going to bother with Sandblown Dragonscour again.

    I am happy that they have improved the dragons. Although, the sky coloring seems a little bit not right. They can leave that part out.

    It all looks really cool in principle, but I immediately started thinking about it in practical application. Dragons already have a couple of buggy one-shot mechanics. If you've never been one-shotted by Earth Spike with zero telegraph or warning at all, you haven't done many dragons.

    And the travel time to Sandblown Dragonscour combined with the fact that a vast number of players won't bother with Sandblown anyway, and all I can say about that is that I hope that when they fly off, they only go to another spot in the same hunting ground. if they go to a completely different hunting ground, it's going to be a holy living nightmare.

    More dynamic dragon fights sure sounds good, but I foresee more buggy one-shots and even more battle sites with nowhere for our characters to stand. Those won't be improvements.

    If I'm wrong, I'll be thrilled, however.
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • TheNightflame
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    touche
  • Elsonso
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    And the travel time to Sandblown Dragonscour combined with the fact that a vast number of players won't bother with Sandblown anyway, and all I can say about that is that I hope that when they fly off, they only go to another spot in the same hunting ground. if they go to a completely different hunting ground, it's going to be a holy living nightmare.

    Honestly, if I go to Sandblown, I camp out there and wait for them to come to me.



    2022: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
    "Tamriel One was fun and engaging, Tamriel Once .... not so much." - Jaraal, March 9, 2022
    "Stop treating the combat in this game as some sort of lab experiment." - code65536, July 18, 2022
    Best summary of Update 35: "SAY NO TO MUSTARD IN YOUR DOUGHNUT !" - pklemming, August 9, 2022.

    ><)))*>

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ElsonsoJannus
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    I mean, repeatable end game content is one of the worst things to cut IMO. I don’t think many people would be upset if one of the scheduled dungeon DLC’s was put on hold for performance improvements, but this is supposed to be the 2nd largest content expansion this year (2nd only to chapters that must be purchased separately). An overland zone, filled with a few hours of story quests just doesn’t feel like enough. It will be like the Gold Coast without adding a new guild, does anyone actually still go there? Compare that to the countless hours of fun spent in Asylum Sanctorium or Maelstrom Arena (some might debate this one as fun, haha). Personally, I was not a big fan of Blackrose Prison, and I think a lot of players felt the same. Sunspire is an excellent trial, really well done (when it’s not filled with gamebreaking bugs) but many end game players are getting tired of it after about 5 months, and really hoping for something new. I guess we’ll see on Monday.
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    "Forums since forever" lol
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  • Heatnix90
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    Except it took them nearly 3 years to even announce/begin any sort of performance improvements after the launch of One Tamriel. It would have been fine if we got a drought back then in the name of fixing the game but it's embarrassing that it took them 3 years to begin to fix the game.
  • Gan Xing
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    Just got around to watching

    I have one main question
    Storm and Frost Dragons

    Will we be able to change our DK into storm DK or Frost DK at some point in the future????
    If you haven't considered this, will you now?

    Sorry if others have already asked this question
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  • Elsonso
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    Heatnix90 wrote: »
    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    Except it took them nearly 3 years to even announce/begin any sort of performance improvements after the launch of One Tamriel. It would have been fine if we got a drought back then in the name of fixing the game but it's embarrassing that it took them 3 years to begin to fix the game.

    Not exactly true. Forum-truth, yes, but in actual fact, they have been working on performance for years, with varying degrees of success. Some of those things have done little more than delay the inevitable, which is where we are today, even if they were successes at the time. This is the first time they have rolled out a Power Point slide, and the first time they have talked about replacing the broken parts rather than just trying to bandage them.

    ZOS says that Update 24 has the potential to have minor performance improvements. They are tooting their horn, but I honestly don't expect that players will really notice anything obvious. The combat performance improvements are ongoing so the improvement will be gradual over the next couple of updates. The memory improvements are really about game stability.

    Update 25 is the one I am looking forward to. That is the one where they sort through and compress the image files and address patch/loader issues. That has the potential to reduce patch install times, as well as make it so that loading screens are shorter. This is also the one where they are "reserving time" for an FPS performance pass, as well as back-end server performance.
    Gan Xing wrote: »
    Will we be able to change our DK into storm DK or Frost DK at some point in the future????

    I do not think they have said anything but I doubt they will do this. Right now, the motto is "homogenization without calling it that" and "every class does every role". If they did something like separate out DKs by dragon damage type, rather than the generic vomit fire and vomit poison morphs, then the DK would probably by mainly DPS and to a lesser extent, Tank. After that, DK would no longer be homogenized.
    2022: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
    "Tamriel One was fun and engaging, Tamriel Once .... not so much." - Jaraal, March 9, 2022
    "Stop treating the combat in this game as some sort of lab experiment." - code65536, July 18, 2022
    Best summary of Update 35: "SAY NO TO MUSTARD IN YOUR DOUGHNUT !" - pklemming, August 9, 2022.

    ><)))*>

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ElsonsoJannus
  • XIIICaesar
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    Throren wrote: »
    Im 90% convinced the mysterious powerful 'ally' is Paarthurnax

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    I'm thinking the same. Since its stated in Skyrim I think the Dragonguard knew of his existence.
  • XIIICaesar
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    When Vet ranks transitioned to Champion Point, any V16 gear was only converted to CP150 & all gear that was max level before conversion had to be refarmed. I've 8 tons multiple sets on each &I think I'm not alone in not wanting to refarm so much gear. So even though CP redesign isn't finished yet are we going to have to work about that? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
  • Heatnix90
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    Heatnix90 wrote: »
    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    Forums since forever:
    "Stop releasing so much content and fix your game!"

    This article:
    ".. the first wave of our announced performance improvements..."

    Forum:
    "Not enough content! Where is my Arena/Trial?!?!"

    Except it took them nearly 3 years to even announce/begin any sort of performance improvements after the launch of One Tamriel. It would have been fine if we got a drought back then in the name of fixing the game but it's embarrassing that it took them 3 years to begin to fix the game.

    Not exactly true. Forum-truth, yes, but in actual fact, they have been working on performance for years, with varying degrees of success. Some of those things have done little more than delay the inevitable, which is where we are today, even if they were successes at the time. This is the first time they have rolled out a Power Point slide, and the first time they have talked about replacing the broken parts rather than just trying to bandage them.

    ZOS says that Update 24 has the potential to have minor performance improvements. They are tooting their horn, but I honestly don't expect that players will really notice anything obvious. The combat performance improvements are ongoing so the improvement will be gradual over the next couple of updates. The memory improvements are really about game stability.

    Update 25 is the one I am looking forward to. That is the one where they sort through and compress the image files and address patch/loader issues. That has the potential to reduce patch install times, as well as make it so that loading screens are shorter. This is also the one where they are "reserving time" for an FPS performance pass, as well as back-end server performance.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but most if not all of the planned changes are on the client-side of things, the core problems will remain.
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  • Elsonso
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    Heatnix90 wrote: »
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but most if not all of the planned changes are on the client-side of things, the core problems will remain.
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    My bubble is safe. :) I was talking about the whole year's worth of stuff, which does include server-side performance work. At least, that is what ZOS says.

    2022: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
    "Tamriel One was fun and engaging, Tamriel Once .... not so much." - Jaraal, March 9, 2022
    "Stop treating the combat in this game as some sort of lab experiment." - code65536, July 18, 2022
    Best summary of Update 35: "SAY NO TO MUSTARD IN YOUR DOUGHNUT !" - pklemming, August 9, 2022.

    ><)))*>

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ElsonsoJannus
  • Northener1907
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    Please give us solo dungeons. Dungeons are fun with 4 players but we need solo mod for dungeon stories. I love so much TES lore but i dont know ESO dungeon stories cause all players so fast and dont want to wait for story.
  • TheNightflame
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    you can solo most normal dungeons spamming brawler, even better with a master 2hander.
    and if you play plar, by spamming sweeps
  • TheNightflame
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  • Ye_Olde_Crowe
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    Nafaalilargus is too obscure.
    While my poor Redguard behind still remembers him (not very) fondly, I would still like to see him in ESO. But - he didn't have a broken horn, or rather, his horns should be unbroken at this time.
    Regardless of which dragon it will be - I have a hard time imagining a dragon 'spawning scaled children' with Sai Sahan. The dragon will most probably lay the eggs, but can you imagine Sai fertilizing them? Or will he just incubate them...?
    PC EU.

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  • Northener1907
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    you can solo most normal dungeons spamming brawler, even better with a master 2hander.
    and if you play plar, by spamming sweeps

    Yes i know that. But some dungeons so hard for play solo
  • ArchMikem
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    Gan Xing wrote: »
    Just got around to watching

    I have one main question
    Storm and Frost Dragons

    Will we be able to change our DK into storm DK or Frost DK at some point in the future????
    If you haven't considered this, will you now?

    Sorry if others have already asked this question

    What do Dragonknights have anything to do with Dragons other than the word 'Dragon'?
    CP1,500+ Master Explorer - AvA August Palatine - Console Peasant
  • ShenaniganSquad
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    Alliance War Campaign Updates
    Once this updates goes live, we will be opening a new Cyrodiil campaign. Laatvulon is a 30 day, CP-enabled, non-Alliance locked Campaign. Additionally, we will be shutting down the Yolnahkriin campaign. Anyone assigned to this campaign at shutdown will receive a free campaign reassignment.


    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler so the whiny faction flipping babies get their faction flipping campaign and those of us who play in the 7 day get shafted ??? ... thanks alot.. why you pander to a small group of people who have no integrity and honor and punish those of us who have it is beyond me... as an Australian, the large 30 day campaigns are unplayable. I play at 300 ping on a good day when there is barely anyone on, I am a spectator in vivec and sotha.. for my one skill going off the american players get 3 or 4... at least in the 7day cp it was better, I could play, I dont know what you think you are all doing over there but you keep screwing everyone else outside of the usa that plays this game and loves pvp... its ***
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