alternative to MM or ATT

NeKryXe

i've been completely unable to get info on guild sales from both MM and ATT for many months now. i already quit most of trade guilds, i kept only on one, expecting to be easier to track, but still nothing works. i wonder if there's any alternative to check the weekly sales, by some in game command or another addon. as far as i understood zos has limited both addons to access the sales info. so... what's the alternative now? is there any or is it better to start forgetting the economic side of the game?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

belial5221_ESO

Mine works fine.Make sure you got MM updated to latest,and all libs needed.Best to disable MM,then goto guild sales,and press E a few times to get it rolling,then go do other stuff a while.Before you log out enable MM and reloadui,and it should read and work normally after.Only thing is scans are realllly slow cause zos throttling them,so don't expect speedy results anymore.

Jayman1000

You can do /mm missing command. Make sure you are NOT in the guild history window when running the command. Also be prepared for hours of time to let it (depending on how many sales is in your guilds). It can run while you play without problems. Though if your game crashes before you can have a chance to quit the game you will lose everything it had gathered, but that is just how addons work (addon data only saved to saved variable folder upon quitting the game).

Additionally you can add some parameters to the command such that it will only search the specified amount of hours back in time (instead of the FULL monty) if you know how long back it was since you ran it last. Cant remember how to do that exactly, but maybe try posting question on the addon page on esoui.

RexyCat

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

ATT is working as far as I know. I can see my sold items for at least 10 days back.

//RexyCat

NeKryXe

RexyCat wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

ATT is working as far as I know. I can see my sold items for at least 10 days back.

//RexyCat

weird. mine doesn't even show the sold items on one day

StabbityDoom

Please check https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ltgq5h6DjVbJX79pCw_BYAFm8BI8PzGEyyafLhk6Eng/edit for your issues with MM

StabbityDoom

NeKryXe wrote: »

RexyCat wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

ATT is working as far as I know. I can see my sold items for at least 10 days back.

//RexyCat

weird. mine doesn't even show the sold items on one day

For most of these programs, you need to wait until the entire sale history to load for a guild/all guilds before anything will show. It's working, just not showing it because, especially if you have a big guild to scan, the data transfer damper ZOS put on it made it molasses slow. My suggestion is for MM is put on /verbose4 and you'll see how much it has downloaded for the data.

sylviermoone

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

Mine works fine.Make sure you got MM updated to latest,and all libs needed.Best to disable MM,then goto guild sales,and press E a few times to get it rolling,then go do other stuff a while.Before you log out enable MM and reloadui,and it should read and work normally after.Only thing is scans are realllly slow cause zos throttling them,so don't expect speedy results anymore.

You do not have to disable MM to do this.

sylviermoone

Jayman1000 wrote: »

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Additionally you can add some parameters to the command such that it will only search the specified amount of hours back in time (instead of the FULL monty) if you know how long back it was since you ran it last. Cant remember how to do that exactly, but maybe try posting question on the addon page on esoui.

/mm missing <guild number> <number of hours>. If you wanted to do all of your guilds for 8 hours: /mm missing 8. If you wanted to do your 2nd guild for 4 hours: /mm missing 2 4. MM tries to match the number to a guild FIRST, so if you do /mm missing 2, it will scan your 2nd guild back 10 days, rather than all your guilds for 2 hours.

MM remembers the last sale it scanned and will only go back in history far enough to find it, though. We've adjusted the initial scan to only go back 3 days when you load the addon for the first time or join a new guild, so that people can get some data a little quicker. MM NEVER scans back a full 10 days at this point unless you explicitly ask it to by running a missing command.

/mm help can give a little information about what options are available, and the comments section behind Master Merchant on ESOUI is a wealth of information if one reads it.

Hazurko_RaShan

MM uses the sold price for all the guilds you are in. If you are only in one guild, you get one guilds worth of sold prices

ATT uses sold prices from all users of ATT, the more people that use it, the better it is

TTC uses the advertised prices of all users of TTC, the more people that use it, the better it is at reporting posted prices. (not prices of what it actually sold for.)


Of the 3 i think ATT is probably the most reliable but then TTC has the biggest database of advertised price but advertised prices are not necessarily sold prices. MM is ok for reporting what things are selling for in the guilds yuo are in... problem is other guilds might be selling those items for more or less money. Where a premium locale may be selling for a lot more and you could possible get that premium price, even in a less than premium local if you knew it existed. MM therefor seems the least reliable to me.

idk

[quote="Jayman1000;c-6323570"but that is just how addons work (addon data only saved to saved variable folder upon quitting the game).[/quote]

/Reloadui also forces addons to save their data. However, I do not know if it will do it during the middle of executing a command such as gathering all that data for MM>

sylviermoone

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

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ATT uses sold prices from all users of ATT, the more people that use it, the better it is

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This is incorrect. No addon can access sold prices from all users without utilizing a website or other third party executable.
ATT and MM utilize the same data, which is guild sales history from the guilds you are in. They differ in the amount of data they hold, how customizable they are, and what other features they include.

Obviously, I'm biased in which I think is "better"; which is better for each user is going to depend on what they want out of the addon, but I think it's important to clarify what data they are able to access and use, which is only the sales history FROM THE GUILDS YOU ARE IN.

StabbityDoom

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

MM uses the sold price for all the guilds you are in. If you are only in one guild, you get one guilds worth of sold prices

ATT uses sold prices from all users of ATT, the more people that use it, the better it is

Nope. ATT uses the same data from your guilds MM uses. Not sure where you got this idea, but ATT doesn't aggregate like that.

PS be sure to get the newest MM on Minion if you are using it.

SirAndy

idk wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

but that is just how addons work (addon data only saved to saved variable folder upon quitting the game).

/Reloadui also forces addons to save their data. However, I do not know if it will do it during the middle of executing a command such as gathering all that data for MM>

You don't have to quit the game for data to be saved, going back to the character select screen is enough.

/reloadui forces the game to dump all AddOn data and reload all of them. Which is why it also works to force a save to the SavedVariables file(s).

That also means any long running action you kicked off with an AddOn before using /reloadui will be interrupted and will not resume after the reload.

Dont_do_drugs

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

bs dude, att is supported and running well.

Dont_do_drugs

so in general, zos made a couple of changes about the guild history and the api. neither att nor mm can request sales data by their own anymore. u need to open the guild history every now and then back to 10 days to gather the old data, or at least as far back as your last login. it confuses me, we still have to explain over and over again, since this thing is going now since months and grew a beard...

sylviermoone

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

so in general, zos made a couple of changes about the guild history and the api. neither att nor mm can request sales data by their own anymore. u need to open the guild history every now and then back to 10 days to gather the old data, or at least as far back as your last login. it confuses me, we still have to explain over and over again, since this thing is going now since months and grew a beard...

This is also incorrect.

Any addon that requests sales data can ask for data once every 30 seconds. In update 23, a change was implemented (by ZOS) to make this cooldown variable based on the number of people pinging the server for data. This means the cooldown is now 30 seconds OR MORE. Most people are reporting that it is often on the "more" end of the spectrum. Prior to these changes (nearly 6 months ago), these addons could request data once every 1.5 seconds.

Both MM and ATT can still ask for and receive data on their own, it's just 30 times slower than it used to be. This is why we introduced the progress % feature in MM several months ago, which can be seen with a verbose message setting of 4. MM has always remembered the last sale it saw and only scanned back as far as needed.

*Edit to add: opening your guild history and manually loading the data does indeed save time and help when you're starting a play session, but that data stays loaded through character swaps and /reloaduis. There isn't much need to do it once you've loaded the data at the beginning of a play session. Data will not stay loaded when you switch accounts, though.

Philgo68

If you are an MM user, grab version 2.2.0 and check out the new features in the readme/change log.

ZonasArch

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

Att is updated and working perfectly fine. Better than MM for sales updates, no need for any manual input or anything, no lag, no frame drops.

Philgo68

ZonasArch wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

Att is updated and working perfectly fine. Better than MM for sales updates, no need for any manual input or anything, no lag, no frame drops.

How fast does ATT load data for 2 days of a big trade guild's history?

Have you tried the latest MM?

Jayman1000

sylviermoone wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

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Additionally you can add some parameters to the command such that it will only search the specified amount of hours back in time (instead of the FULL monty) if you know how long back it was since you ran it last. Cant remember how to do that exactly, but maybe try posting question on the addon page on esoui.

/mm missing <guild number> <number of hours>. If you wanted to do all of your guilds for 8 hours: /mm missing 8. If you wanted to do your 2nd guild for 4 hours: /mm missing 2 4. MM tries to match the number to a guild FIRST, so if you do /mm missing 2, it will scan your 2nd guild back 10 days, rather than all your guilds for 2 hours.

MM remembers the last sale it scanned and will only go back in history far enough to find it, though. We've adjusted the initial scan to only go back 3 days when you load the addon for the first time or join a new guild, so that people can get some data a little quicker. MM NEVER scans back a full 10 days at this point unless you explicitly ask it to by running a missing command.

/mm help can give a little information about what options are available, and the comments section behind Master Merchant on ESOUI is a wealth of information if one reads it.

That is awesome dude, thanks for the info! Dont know what I would do without MM.

Ardan147

I probably have over a week's worth of data that still needs to be downloaded and with how ZOS has throttled the data it's taking absolutely forever to get it. Haven't been online as much lately which I guess is why it ended up falling that far behind.

Why did ZOS do this anyway, and why now? Except for that one week they so screwed things up that they had to disable guild history altogether things had mostly been working okay.

sylviermoone

Jayman1000 wrote: »

sylviermoone wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

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Additionally you can add some parameters to the command such that it will only search the specified amount of hours back in time (instead of the FULL monty) if you know how long back it was since you ran it last. Cant remember how to do that exactly, but maybe try posting question on the addon page on esoui.

/mm missing <guild number> <number of hours>. If you wanted to do all of your guilds for 8 hours: /mm missing 8. If you wanted to do your 2nd guild for 4 hours: /mm missing 2 4. MM tries to match the number to a guild FIRST, so if you do /mm missing 2, it will scan your 2nd guild back 10 days, rather than all your guilds for 2 hours.

MM remembers the last sale it scanned and will only go back in history far enough to find it, though. We've adjusted the initial scan to only go back 3 days when you load the addon for the first time or join a new guild, so that people can get some data a little quicker. MM NEVER scans back a full 10 days at this point unless you explicitly ask it to by running a missing command.

/mm help can give a little information about what options are available, and the comments section behind Master Merchant on ESOUI is a wealth of information if one reads it.

That is awesome dude, thanks for the info! Dont know what I would do without MM.

You're welcome! Just making sure accurate information is out there.

ZonasArch

Philgo68 wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

pretty sure att is no longer supported by anyone unless someone else picked it up...as for mm idk

Att is updated and working perfectly fine. Better than MM for sales updates, no need for any manual input or anything, no lag, no frame drops.

How fast does ATT load data for 2 days of a big trade guild's history?

Have you tried the latest MM?

Not yet, but I definitely will. I didn't time it, but I was away from game for a month, came back after they allowed history again, I think three weeks ago. I would venture a half to full hour guess for the first few days of two 100mi guilds, and one 30-35mi. The GM in one my guilds talked about the new MM and she was positively impressed, so I'm definitely giving it a go.

What I appreciate from ATT over MM is only the performance on my PC. It doesn't slow it down at all when you first log in while updating sales.

Philgo68

ZonasArch wrote: »

What I appreciate from ATT over MM is only the performance on my PC. It doesn't slow it down at all when you first log in while updating sales.

That's the indexing MM does so you can quickly search the sales history in the MM window. That first minute or so, you do get a lag.

Make sure you check the change log for 2.2.0 when you try it out.

ZonasArch

Philgo68 wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

What I appreciate from ATT over MM is only the performance on my PC. It doesn't slow it down at all when you first log in while updating sales.

That's the indexing MM does so you can quickly search the sales history in the MM window. That first minute or so, you do get a lag.

Make sure you check the change log for 2.2.0 when you try it out.

Will do it tomorrow after patch if they don't decide to ruin things again for traders and add-on creators. I'm sure this has stressed you out enough as it is.

Dont_do_drugs

there we go...