Bait Thread.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

What is the difference between "special" bait and basic bait? and im not talking about the "simple bait" which is useless... i cant seem to find any difference in terms of increased rare fish drops or faster fishing times with special bait than the normal one...?

Vhozek

Making the game more difficult makes sense because it's an MMO and if you don't like it just group up.
Change my mind.

First post best post.
The real bait thread starts here.

Turelus

There seems to be the belief that rare bait helps catching rare fish, however I don't know if there are actually any game statistics which have come out to verify that.

TBH other than the consumable buff you can take it seems like catching rare fish is more about patience and endurance than any secrets.

Although fishing in a group does seem to help a lot.

ChunkyCat

Why? Are you trying to become a.... Master Baiter?

Vhozek

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Why? Are you trying to become a.... Master Baiter?

So he can be a wizard afterwards.

VaranisArano

There's no difference as long as the bait matches the water type.

Its simply there to dilute the loot pool, pun intended.

anitajoneb17_ESO

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

What is the difference between "special" bait and basic bait? and im not talking about the "simple bait" which is useless... i cant seem to find any difference in terms of increased rare fish drops or faster fishing times with special bait than the normal one...?

Simple bait : 50% chance of catching something, 50% chance of catching "used bait"
Targeted bait (the one's that corresponds to the water type) : 100% chance of catching something
Targeted bait used in the wrong water type = 50% chance of catching something, 50% chance of catching "used bait"
Rare bait (the ones you get while fishing in other water types) : 100% chance of catching something
Rare bait used in the wrong water type = 50% chance of catching something, 50% chance of catching "used bait"

As far as I know (and from my experience), a rare bait is not more nor less efficient than a normal targeted bait.

When you catch something, your chance of it being a trophy fish isn't affected by the type of bait you use. This variable is only affected by fishing in group. You don't have to be actually grouped up with people, it's enough to fish ion the same spot at the same time.

Hope this helps :-)

SeaGtGruff

I disagree with the 100% statement, because the bait isn't the only factor; I believe proper timing is also a factor, just as in real fishing.

VaranisArano

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I disagree with the 100% statement, because the bait isn't the only factor; I believe proper timing is also a factor, just as in real fishing.

Timing is sort of a factor. If you activate it within the animation of pulling on the reel, 100% you'll get fish/loot. Miss the window, and you won't. There's no variability based on timing beyond that, unlike some other fiahing minigames I've played.

So proper bait + reel in the fish during the animation = 100% loot.

ESO's fishing minigame bears a passing resemblance to very, very simplified real world fishing.

anitajoneb17_ESO

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I disagree with the 100% statement, because the bait isn't the only factor; I believe proper timing is also a factor, just as in real fishing.

That was "assuming you don't miss the time window to reel in, because if you miss it, you won't ever get anything regardless of bait type", but you're correct, I should have mentioned this.

SeaGtGruff

My point was that there is a window. And I'm not trying to be picky or disagreeable, merely anticipating those players who may say, "I used the correct bait for the type of water but I didn't catch anything!" Saying that the success rate is 100% with the correct type of bait may give some players the expectation that catching something is guaranteed. Clarifying that the 100% chance assumes that you reeled in the line during the window might not be something that everyone needs to be told, but it might be something that some people need to be told.

reoskit

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

My point was that there is a window. And I'm not trying to be picky or disagreeable, merely anticipating those players who may say, "I used the correct bait for the type of water but I didn't catch anything!" Saying that the success rate is 100% with the correct type of bait may give some players the expectation that catching something is guaranteed. Clarifying that the 100% chance assumes that you reeled in the line during the window might not be something that everyone needs to be told, but it might be something that some people need to be told.

Does it actually need to be said that you have to engage Reel to actually fish something out of the water? It's not gonna be like

kylewwefan

I’m trying to get this Artaeum recipe( not the gold one) but one you are also supposed to get from fishing. Artaeum monkey pig or something.


Anyhow, all the fishing in Artaeum say Mystic Fishing hole. The other ones tell you what bait to use, but what are you supposed to use there?

I’ve spent about an hour fishing there with crawlers, because I have an absurd amount of them for some reason. No luck with the recipe so far.

And why is there only 3 fishing holes on the entire island?

Eirinin

I'm so glad fishing is part of this game. I just wanted to say that. It is such a nice little additional part of the world.

reoskit

kylewwefan wrote: »

I’m trying to get this Artaeum recipe( not the gold one) but one you are also supposed to get from fishing. Artaeum monkey pig or something.


Anyhow, all the fishing in Artaeum say Mystic Fishing hole. The other ones tell you what bait to use, but what are you supposed to use there?

I’ve spent about an hour fishing there with crawlers, because I have an absurd amount of them for some reason. No luck with the recipe so far.

And why is there only 3 fishing holes on the entire island?

There are more than 3. There's the east and northwest-ish coasts, and then a couple spots in the water features by the college.

I believe you can use any bait in those holes now. (They used to be ocean, thus the price of worms being through the roof.)

Do you already have the recipe learned? I feel like it doesn't drop after you have it learned? I could be wrong. It's BOP, so you'd only be able to give it to another of your toons anyway.

Edit: clarification.

reoskit

Artaeum fishing map:

kylewwefan

I don’t have it yet on my main. But is maybe possible someone else picked it up some time ago. Maybe. But then I’d have to log into 12 different characters looking for the right one. And then re spec to craft and stuff. Which does sound better than fishing at this point.

I went swimming all around the island, didn’t see any more holes than the ones right below the wayshrine.

reoskit

Sorry - I meant I feel (speculation, no data) that it doesn't drop if the toon that's fishing has it learned.

Odovacar

@MyNameIsElias may have a little more insight on this subject.

MyNameIsElias

Ty for the summons ^^ As far as i know, the ”special” bait serves no other purpose than making the loot table larger. For example, it doesnt matter if you use worms or chub in ocean fishing, the rng will be the same for both.

redlink1979

@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO Bait doesn't influence a player's success rate, so it won't matter if you use "normal" bait or "special" bait you can get from fishing. But by eating Artaeum Pickled Fish Bowl you gain the buff Lure Allure. This buff causes fish to be attracted to you. It shortens the time needed for fish to bite, increasing the rate at which you can reel in fish and other items.
This recipe can only be found inside a Waterlogged Psijic Satchel which can be obtained by fishing on Artaeum only.
Unlike regular recipes, the Artaeum Pickled Fish Bowl recipe is account-bound on pickup.

reoskit

Huh. I thought the Artaeum food only attracted trophy fish? The point I (maybe mistakenly) thought was to make it so you could fish alone with the same trophy fish RNG boost as you get fishing with a partner or two?

redlink1979

@reoskit The recipe shortens the time needed for ALL fish to bite, increasing the rate at which you can reel in fish and other items.

kylewwefan

Excellent call summoning Elias!

I’d seen your work on the fishing food (Hissimir rye)l it was very interesting as far as eso fishing goes.

I think the op was concerned with like the roe or shad or chubs as you mentioned. It’s probably in your big fishing post.

For Artaeum it appears one could use any bait? Makes no difference?

I’m trying to get satchels for one of the recipes. I was told it only drops from fishing Artaeum, witch I’d been through before with the gold recipe, but never bothered with the others until now.

reoskit

redlink1979 wrote: »

@reoskit The recipe shortens the time needed for ALL fish to bite, increasing the rate at which you can reel in fish and other items.

Wild. Is this explained anywhere (edit: by ZOS)?

I went to the same site you c/p'd from (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Artaeum_Pickled_Fish_Bowl) but UESP doesn't have a clear explanation of what "Additionally, fish may be drawn to you." means.

Edit: clarification.

reoskit

Wait, here we go. Posted by Gina in patch notes:

General
Fixed an issue that caused the Artaeum Pickled Fish Bowl to double the number of fish you receive under certain circumstances. The intended effect is that this food increases your chances to acquire rare fish, similar to the bonus that occurs when another player is fishing from the same fishing hole.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415850/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-7

Hazurko_RaShan

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

What is the difference between "special" bait and basic bait? and im not talking about the "simple bait" which is useless... i cant seem to find any difference in terms of increased rare fish drops or faster fishing times with special bait than the normal one...?

should i report this post for baiting?????



hahahaha

JamieAubrey

Did you just bait me with a bait thread ?

SirAndy

Turelus wrote: »

There seems to be the belief that rare bait helps catching rare fish,

My personal experience supports that hypothesis ...

anitajoneb17_ESO

reoskit wrote: »

Huh. I thought the Artaeum food only attracted trophy fish? The point I (maybe mistakenly) thought was to make it so you could fish alone with the same trophy fish RNG boost as you get fishing with a partner or two?

ZOS said the drink would increase the RNG for trophy fish the same way fishing in group does.
Players said the RNG was unchanged but the reel in time was decreased.

Go figure.
The fact that the drink was bugged when it launched didn't help clarifying the matter.
The "reel in" time thing might as well be a psychological /illusion thing. So unless someone has written down everything and made some sort of statistics, we won't know for sure.

NB : I usually believe ZOS for that sort of stuff but to be honest, as a quite extensive fisher in ESO, my experience goes towards decreased reel in time.

Elsonso

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

Ty for the summons ^^ As far as i know, the ”special” bait serves no other purpose than making the loot table larger. For example, it doesnt matter if you use worms or chub in ocean fishing, the rng will be the same for both.

... missed opportunity