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Great job you 100% broke the guild history

GoodFella146
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I really don't know why this *** is so *** hard but you are making it absolute HELL to run a guild these days. FIX IT!!!
  • therift
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    Absolutely no Roster or Deposit history. Console trade guilds are screwed.
  • DragonRacer
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    Lovely.

    I'm also a fan of how I asked if this might be done to us back during the PC EU crisis and zero word or response, so that some sort of preparation in advance could have been done (such as asking people to mail donations/dues instead of depositing, etc): https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6288683#Comment_6288683
    PS4 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 160+) - and Vice-GM of The Dragon Chasers - a free beginners trading guild (all levels welcome). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • DragonRacer
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    Now my trade guild won’t know I didn’t make the sale quota.

    :trollface:

    Console update today, not talking PC
    PS4 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 160+) - and Vice-GM of The Dragon Chasers - a free beginners trading guild (all levels welcome). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • therift
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    Now my trade guild won’t know I didn’t make the sale quota.

    :trollface:


    Purchase History is there... sort of... if you want to add them up normally.

    But it won't matter because we can't verify promotions. Or deposits.

    In fact, ZoS just killed trade guilds on console.

    I'll be sure to let 1,500 active players know their contributions are gone.

  • Skoomah
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    Now my trade guild won’t know I didn’t make the sale quota.

    :trollface:

    Console update today, not talking PC

    Chunky cat is P.H.A.T.
  • Rex-Umbra
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    This is bull can't believe they pushed this out.
    Xbox GT: Rex Umbra IX
  • therift
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    Xbox friends filed a bug report; Devs responded here:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6302464#Comment_6302464

  • Snipress
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    I hope they fix this soon and not, you know, take ages. They didn't do anything about the previous guild history issue for a while. (Which WAS supposed to be fixed with this update.)
    Edited by Snipress on August 27, 2019 5:25PM
    Finding beauty in negative spaces.

    Officer & recruiter for Lunacy on the Xbox - NA server.
  • Snipress
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    And the fact that I'm a bookkeeper for two trading guilds makes this 100x worse.
    Finding beauty in negative spaces.

    Officer & recruiter for Lunacy on the Xbox - NA server.
  • therift
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    I have 3 guild chats on fire right now. Trying to handle this fiasco remotely.
  • DragonRacer
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    This will make dues and donations impossible to track unless mailed directly to an officer.

    Any open/honor system guild banks are open season to be robbed since you can’t see who withdrew everything.

    And impossible to tell how well or not well a trader does if you can’t see how many pages it sells daily (the only method of measuring trader worth on console).

    Plus with no history, impossible to track bids placed - amount, location, who placed it, etc.
    PS4 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 160+) - and Vice-GM of The Dragon Chasers - a free beginners trading guild (all levels welcome). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • vgabor
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    Snipress wrote: »
    And the fact that I'm a bookkeeper for two trading guilds makes this 100x worse.

    Look at the bright side, now you can take a holiday since there's nothing to book :)
  • MYWARCHILD887
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    This is totally ridiculous. So the answer to fixing real time deposit history was to break past deposit history? 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Let me clarify the urgency of this situation. This bug without a doubt needs a hot fix, not a wait for the next update fix. A HOT FIX ASAP.
  • Snipress
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    Edit: It seems only RECENT deposits, purchases, etc. show up. Everything before the update was wiped. So, when we logged in there was nothing to load. At least, that's what I think and have noticed.

    Edit 2: It seems every time you login the history is wiped, leaving everything blank. You only see history while you're online...at least for me. You won't see the history you missed while offline, too.
    Edited by Snipress on August 27, 2019 7:05PM
    Finding beauty in negative spaces.

    Officer & recruiter for Lunacy on the Xbox - NA server.
  • Vicinia
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    Lol yep but people will white Knight this game and defend it saying it is still excellent! So many bugs and problems they refuse to address and or fix, but if there was a problem with crown store item the game would have an "emergency maintenance" to correct the issue. I wonder were zo$ priorities are.........

    But they're killing it :trollface:

    I legit feel bad for console GMs. Everyone saw the crapstorm brewing via the dumpster fire that was PC-EU, but nothing can be done thanks to ZOS' negligence.

    That feel when old as dirt FFXI runs better than this game :/
    Edited by Vicinia on August 27, 2019 6:21PM
  • DragonRacer
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    Vicinia wrote: »
    Lol yep but people will white Knight this game and defend it saying it is still excellent! So many bugs and problems they refuse to address and or fix, but if there was a problem with crown store item the game would have an "emergency maintenance" to correct the issue. I wonder were zo$ priorities are.........

    But they're killing it :trollface:

    I legit feel bad for console GMs. Everyone saw the crapstorm brewing via the dumpster fire that was PC-EU, but nothing can be done thanks to ZOS' negligence.

    That feel when old as dirt FFXI runs better than this game :/

    If trying to make guild history data load in real time got borked this badly, I'm honestly fearful that our trader flip is gonna look like PC EU's come September 1st...
    PS4 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 160+) - and Vice-GM of The Dragon Chasers - a free beginners trading guild (all levels welcome). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • Rittings
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    Yeah, this is a crisis for guilds... I mean, I only spotted this as I've been logging sales in a couple of guilds (as you may have seen in another post) and so I was shocked I couldn't see the history...

    right now, I'm betting guild bank robbers are having an absolute field day and there's nothing guilds can do about it until their GMs come online!!
  • Vicinia
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    Vicinia wrote: »
    Lol yep but people will white Knight this game and defend it saying it is still excellent! So many bugs and problems they refuse to address and or fix, but if there was a problem with crown store item the game would have an "emergency maintenance" to correct the issue. I wonder were zo$ priorities are.........

    But they're killing it :trollface:

    I legit feel bad for console GMs. Everyone saw the crapstorm brewing via the dumpster fire that was PC-EU, but nothing can be done thanks to ZOS' negligence.

    That feel when old as dirt FFXI runs better than this game :/

    If trying to make guild history data load in real time got borked this badly, I'm honestly fearful that our trader flip is gonna look like PC EU's come September 1st...

    I can see the 1st playing out like this:

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    :/
  • DragonRacer
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    I know the bug thread got a reply, but just to reiterate to anyone who will listen/escalate/can provide possible assurances @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    Having ZERO guild history, guild bank history, and sales history available except for the moments in time you are online are literally guild-crushing console issues for the following reasons:
    • Cannot see what members have made deposits to the guild bank - this affects dues-charging guilds the most as this determines membership remaining or being booted based on dues payments, but also affects donation-based guilds who like to track/reward donors. Also, many guilds run raffles by checking guild deposit history as opposed to raffle money being mailed directly to a GM/officer - this is now also a fiasco. I personally know one guild who has lost 3 days of raffle ticket data that they had intended to log tonight.
    • Piggybacking off the first point, since console is limited in what it can access anyway and has NO ADD-ONS [to complicate matters, so now what is the reason/excuse?] for exporting sales data, console guilds rely 100% on donations or, more commonly, on charging dues that are deposited to the guild banks. This has CRIPPLED the vast majority of trading guilds on console. Utterly. And there is now a ticking bomb, since we can only access data up to 10 days back. If this is not rectified soon, there will be history permanently lost and unable to get to if this is fixed past a certain date, even if past history can be shown again (as we'd only be able to see 10 days back... as of around September 5th/6th, all data from yesterday will be permanently lost from us ever retrieving it).
    • Cannot see if officers have promoted or demoted members based on dues paid, behavior, etc.
    • Cannot see what members have withdrawn - for any guilds who have an open/honor system guild bank or semi-open guild bank (for those of a certain rank), this is now Christmas Day for guild bank robbers since unless an officer is online to see the robbery happen with real-time data, someone can wipe a guild bank clean of all items and not be caught because there is no longer a permanent living history.
    • I assume bidding history won't remain since no other history is remaining. This will be complicated since now we can place up to 10 bids. Sure, I can write down on a sheet of paper the amounts and locations I place my bids, but for any guilds where officers share in bidding duties, this will get messy fast.
    • Cannot see history of trader sales - again, since we have NO ADD-ONS, we cannot export sales history. Therefore, the only reliable way on console to judge how a trader performed is by manually R2ing through the sales history and counting how many pages sold per day. That has now been taken from us. I haven't a clue now how my guild trader is performing, if it was worth what I bid and won it for, if I should try bidding somewhere else for better return on investment, etc.

    Those are all the immediate issues. And if this can only be fixed by waiting for an "incremental patch" and not a hot fix - which I assume because of the lovely certification process that consoles enjoy - is there ANY way of retrieving the data or exporting it to GMs or will it just be gone forever, like tears in rain?

    The MAJOR concern on the horizon remains: how will multi-bidding perform at flip this Sunday? Will it go fine like PC NA? Or be an utter apocalypse like PC EU? Especially since I assume THIS UPDATE is the one PC got - the one sitting in Sony and Microsoft certification process while all Hell broke loose last week - BEFORE the patches you gave them to ensure multi-bidding wouldn't fail again. Do we have ANY assurances at all that multi-bidding will function or is it possible every trader will open for hire because of computation timing issues?
    PS4 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 160+) - and Vice-GM of The Dragon Chasers - a free beginners trading guild (all levels welcome). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • Respect4Elders
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    Now my trade guild won’t know I didn’t make the sale quota.

    :trollface:

    Ha ha! Payback for all those times they claimed they "never recieved my deposit."
  • MLGProPlayer
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    What I don't understand is why they don't build this functionality into the base game. If they've identified that it causes server load issues, then build it into the base game where you can fine tune how it works better than through an API.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 2:44AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    Now my trade guild won’t know I didn’t make the sale quota.

    :trollface:

    Ha ha! Payback for all those times they claimed they "never recieved my deposit."

    That's sadly also a common glitch that ZOS has never fixed.

    Basically, if you deposit your gold/items before the guild bank fully loads (and sometimes it can take over a minute to load), they disappear into the abyss.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 28, 2019 2:46AM
  • AnonomissX
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    I am a Co-GM for a guild and I run the raffles. We count this by having members make deposits to the guild bank. I check the HISTORY, record the tickets on my spreadsheet and send out Door Prizes (Lately a lovely Kuta and a Spring-Loaded infusion for every 20K in deposits).

    So, thanks. Thanks for nothing. I cannot see any history of deposits. How can I know who to send their earned door prizes, much less pull a winner at the time for the drawing?

    Thanks for the egg on our faces ZOS.
    Ebonheart Pact, Nord Templar/healer on NA Xbox server. Tall and foxy redhead. 2 other characters I only use for writs. Can't be bothered to create multiple toons. IRL cranky sometimes redhead chick at large in Las Vegas, NV
  • wrath_of_erana
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    goodfella send them 20k per week they will fix it ;)
  • Hapexamendios
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    They should pay the guilds 20 mil per week until they get their *** together. People running the trading guilds are getting screwed by this.
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