Gold calculations done wrong. It is over. Total mess.

OsManiaC

Checked three of my guilds.

Guild A :

1. More gold than it should be if it includes the refund I got with legal win,
2. More gold than it should be if it not include the refund for legal win.

Guild B :

1. Less gold than it should be if it includes the refund I got with legal win,
2. More gold than it should be if it not include the refund for legal win.

Guild C :

1. Less gold than it should be if it includes the refund I got with legal win,
2. More gold than it should be if it not include the refund for legal win.

GG

therift

Do your guilds lend each other gold for bids? Were there any transfers between guilds after bidding closed?

OsManiaC

nope,

I always withdrew all the money before I bid and deposit x millions with 000000 . Never thought this would be useful.

I am sure I am not the only one mates.

Gariele

I’m pretty sure OsManiaC is right in what they are saying. Many GMs on PC/EU saying the same. I’m thinking I might need to get a drink before I check my balances. What a week

therift

Hoo boy.

Reminder: The ZoS leadership team is in Cologne, and they're hosting ESO Tavern on Saturday, where players can meet up and discuss the state of ESO with the developers.

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

Gracous

therift wrote: »

Hoo boy.

Reminder: The ZoS leadership team is in Cologne, and they're hosting ESO Tavern on Saturday, where players can meet up and discuss the state of ESO with the developers.

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

I hear it smells nice too! Hehehe

vgabor

therift wrote: »

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

Also PCEU GMs, Cologne happens to be in Europe...

therift

vgabor wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

Also PCEU GMs, Cologne happens to be in Europe...

Convenient with Eurail Pass, too.

Donny_Vito

Sounds like more information is needed to analyze your claims.

Dont_do_drugs

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Sounds like more information is needed to analyze your claims.

bids are pretty confidential, but he showed me on discord the numbers. his post sounds legit to me.

therift

It might be wise to post the information here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490032/trader-swap-issue-eu-server/p29

That is the thread where ZoS is actively gathering information and answering questions

SirAndy

vgabor wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

Also PCEU GMs, Cologne happens to be in Europe...

Also be prepared that nobody in Germany calls Germany Germany and neither do they call Cologne Cologne.

They do have their own brand of beer there though and it is most definitely drinkable.

City: Köln
Beer: Kölsch

OsManiaC

therift wrote: »

It might be wise to post the information here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/490032/trader-swap-issue-eu-server/p29

That is the thread where ZoS is actively gathering information and answering questions

I am too tired:) for the last 5 days I spend too much time on the forums, even more with multibidding war. I send tickets for each of my guilds to re-investigate. I just login the game take dailies and log out. Only difference for today, I did the calculations.

So this was my last post/topic/thread regarding all this fiasco. I don't want to ruin anymore my motivation, I need ESO in my life.

Aurie

therift wrote: »

Hoo boy.

Reminder: The ZoS leadership team is in Cologne, and they're hosting ESO Tavern on Saturday, where players can meet up and discuss the state of ESO with the developers.

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

If the devs have any sense they’ll get an early plane back

SantieClaws

This traveller is a freind of this one and he has been worried to bits by this whole business since last Sundas.

He has worked really hard for his guilds and wants to do well for all his guild members.

If he says there is an issue then this one fully believes that there is.

Please try and resolve the issues for guilds who have lost money before the next trader change if you can. Small guilds operate very much on the edge and a couple of weeks without trading could be the end for some, even without the very obvious demotivation and significant stress this has caused them.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

therift

Aurelle1 wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Hoo boy.

Reminder: The ZoS leadership team is in Cologne, and they're hosting ESO Tavern on Saturday, where players can meet up and discuss the state of ESO with the developers.

Cologne is a fabulous city to visit, I hear.

If the devs have any sense they’ll get an early plane back

No kidding, lol

anitajoneb17_ESO

SantieClaws wrote: »

Please try and resolve the issues for guilds who have lost money before the next trader change if you can. Small guilds operate very much on the edge and a couple of weeks without trading could be the end for some, even without the very obvious demotivation and significant stress this has caused them.

I wish I could say it on RP-style but it' late and I'm tired too :-)

Santie, now is, in my opinion, time to take your ambassador hat and visit card and talk to the dev on our behalf. (well, I'm not concerned personally, but on behalf of all guilds unfairly and hardly hit by all this issue). I believe it would be more efficient in order to draw their attention onto these miscalculated "deletions". Week-end is starting and stuff must be sorted out before sunday night bids.
That's assuming you've haven't done it already - but you probably have.

agegarton

I lost my last bid, so there’s no confusion as to whether I should have been refunded for a bid that I won, but then couldn’t occupy the space.

I can also confirm that the gold calc is wrong.

I can’t be bothered with this any more though. I’m taking the remainder and will use it. Can’t wait to see what happens on Sunday!

Utter shambles.

VaranisArano

There's a Dev coment on this issue on the other thread.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Thanks for the follow-up questions and reports of some duped gold remaining in-game on the PC-EU server. On Monday, August 26, we will be performing additional passes to remove the remaining excess gold from guild banks. If your guild is still in possession of duped gold, we ask that you please work with us by not touching it. If your guild has moved/traded the duped gold, this is your second chance to put it back so we can remove it in the next sweep.

We also have an update for small number of guilds who lost gold on Sunday night due to placing a winning bid but not getting the guild trader they should have won. Our Support team will be refunding the guild leader of any affected guilds 150% of the bid amount. Guild leaders will receive an in-game mail once this is done, letting them know on which of their characters we gold we deposited the gold. Our aim is to have all these complete within 48 hours, before the next guild trader bid cycle is over.

Thank you again for your patience. We appreciate your cooperation and understanding. Please let us know if you have any questions.

BackAndAngry

dupe money... sounds like it's the GMs fault... omg

reoskit

BackAndAngry wrote: »

dupe money... sounds like it's the GMs fault... omg

Duped gold = duplicated gold.

agegarton

agegarton wrote: »

I lost my last bid, so there’s no confusion as to whether I should have been refunded for a bid that I won, but then couldn’t occupy the space.

I can also confirm that the gold calc is wrong.

I can’t be bothered with this any more though. I’m taking the remainder and will use it. Can’t wait to see what happens on Sunday!

Utter shambles.

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa they’re coming back for more over the weekend. Awesome. If at first you don’t succeed.

Jayman1000

reoskit wrote: »

BackAndAngry wrote: »

dupe money... sounds like it's the GMs fault... omg

Duped gold = duplicated gold.

But still the word "duped" (from "duping") is usually used to describe the action of deliberate duplication of in game currency through exploiting/cheating.

VaranisArano

Jayman1000 wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

BackAndAngry wrote: »

dupe money... sounds like it's the GMs fault... omg

Duped gold = duplicated gold.

But still the word "duped" (from "duping") is usually used to describe the action of deliberate duplication of in game currency through exploiting/cheating.

And in this case, its pretty obvious that ZOS simply means that the gold was duplicated, in this case, by the action of the laggy servers.

This is a purely semantics argument.

reoskit

There was another thread where this exact "duped" conversation went on for quite some time... It derailed the conversation pretty heavily. Prob best to not clutter up yet another thread. I think we can agree the OP pointed out bigger issues?

Jayman1000

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

BackAndAngry wrote: »

dupe money... sounds like it's the GMs fault... omg

Duped gold = duplicated gold.

But still the word "duped" (from "duping") is usually used to describe the action of deliberate duplication of in game currency through exploiting/cheating.

And in this case, its pretty obvious that ZOS simply means that the gold was duplicated, in this case, by the action of the laggy servers.

This is a purely semantics argument.

no it is no semantics argument. Im simply pointing out why that choice of word is unfortunate of zos, since it invariably leads the reader to think that there is exploitation involved.

Dont_do_drugs

well pointing on the fact, that even without the fault of the gm, it actually happened to the gold, which in other cases gets triggered knowingly by exploiters for duping, i dont find it that wrong wording. after 2 years, looking back on the aether dust story, zos finally zos proved everyone that there is a dupe glitch/exploit, which they refused to ackowledge quite for a long time.

Jayman1000

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

well pointing on the fact, that even without the fault of the gm, it actually happened to the gold, which in other cases gets triggered knowingly by exploiters for duping, i dont find it that wrong wording. after 2 years, looking back on the aether dust story, zos finally zos proved everyone that there is a dupe glitch/exploit, which they refused to ackowledge quite for a long time.

Of course it is wrong using the word "dupe" about a situation where no duping took place. I dont doubt that zos aren't actually accusing anyone and that it is not their intend. But defending them for improper and confusing wording is simply stupid. Enough said, I wont be replying to any more of this, I said my piece. Have a great day/evening/night whereever you are.

Dont_do_drugs

well we can try to ban zos for duping gold? but lets leave it as it is, last time i made a joke like that, it didnt end well for me, since someone took it too serious. the word dupe is pretty close to the reality of what happened on sunday. thats good, feels good after 2 years. and yeh, its not necessary to discuss that here and actually superfluous.

Dusk_Coven

It's almost bidding time again. You want them to do a 1-week rollback?

ZOS is doing the best it can and very likely most of what they need to do is manual.