My wings!!!

CynicK

People complains a lot about the nerf and one day I played against a dk with my magsorc that just has ranged and he had Drgoan fire scale so he now reflected everything i fired at him not like before just some skills I have to say that just with a little help from him I killed myself attacking him and he was fine because he had 50% mitigation.
I did not found that all of my attacks being retaliated even if it was less damage than before was a nerf. I tryed a second time to kill him, total disaster again and I thought people is crying nerf on the forums.

KingExecration

People trying to argue in this thread saying the old wings shut down entire classes have obviously never tried playing a dk. When I played dk every day I’d get hit through wings more than it’d reflect. Rarely even made it on my bar with all the mess it didn’t reflect.

The only class it truly shut down was magblade when it reflected assassins will, cripple, and swallow. Even then, they had combos with tether/harvest with fear to make an opening.

Sorcs getting their entire class shut down not being able to frag freely is just a meme at this point. I also remember when you swapped factions to trash talk for getting killed by my dk @Ozazz

Xvorg

Icky wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Bad players crutched on OP wing reflect for too long. I feel that they should have tweaked the reflect instead of reducing damage taken though.

Wings had reflect since beta. It's gone. Who cares, right. @Sypher ran wings. HE was crutching? Hmmmm...Stop the jokes.

How was wings not easy mode? Shut down and damage/cc ranged attacks with one ability, lol.

Were you playing this game when wings reflected all projectiles, including Meteor in 4 secs? That's OP

lucky_Sage

Xvorg wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Bad players crutched on OP wing reflect for too long. I feel that they should have tweaked the reflect instead of reducing damage taken though.

Wings had reflect since beta. It's gone. Who cares, right. @Sypher ran wings. HE was crutching? Hmmmm...Stop the jokes.

How was wings not easy mode? Shut down and damage/cc ranged attacks with one ability, lol.

Were you playing this game when wings reflected all projectiles, including Meteor in 4 secs? That's OP

I really mis wings reflecting meteor that was great was the reason I stayed on my dk.

Ozazz

also I would have no problem buffing wings back, but what would you compensate me? a buffed dawn breaker and inev det for magika so i could counter like day 1?
doubt it! and you would be sh**

zParallaxz wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I play Dk as well and it was op, could completely shut down casters, which means it was very difficult to be stunned etc.

That was the class identity of dk, it’s what added to the tank play style of both mag and stam dk.

yeah well thats the equivalent to saying shield stacking was class identity etc, shields have gotten adjusted accordingly such as wings, and for anyone to justify wings= biased. shields never 100% hard countered anyone! you either had the damage to compete or not

Ozazz

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Bad players crutched on OP wing reflect for too long. I feel that they should have tweaked the reflect instead of reducing damage taken though.

Wings had reflect since beta. It's gone. Who cares, right. @Sypher ran wings. HE was crutching? Hmmmm...Stop the jokes.

How was wings not easy mode? Shut down and damage/cc ranged attacks with one ability, lol.

4 projectiles over 6 seconds? If that was op you're a potato. lol

m8 your bad lol straight up

Ozazz

if someone spams wings how will you ever kill them? if your damage is all ranged near about! just curious? do explain

Ozazz

ill take pride in contributing to getting an EZ mode zergling class nerfed, if that's what your upset about!
it's weird for some reason dk's think they should be able to tank all of cyrodiil while hard cc ing people with the most broken cc in game or chaining them back to their zerg's

MartiniDaniels

Ozazz wrote: »

ill take pride in contributing to getting an EZ mode zergling class nerfed, if that's what your upset about!
it's weird for some reason dk's think they should be able to tank all of cyrodiil while hard cc ing people with the most broken cc in game or chaining them back to their zerg's

Ok, wings were hard counter to some builds, which didn't have non-projectile attacks. But you may say that streak is hard counter to builds without gap closer, cloak is hard counter to builds without detection, eclipse is hard counter to builds relying only on direct damage burst and so on.
Still, streak, cloak and eclipse are here while wings were gutted. Given limited bar space and their duration they are simply not worth slotting. Maybe if they have 10-12 seconds duration they will be ok, if build takes major ward/resolve not from volatile.

Vapirko

Haven’t played stam DK but mag DK wings are still strong. You can use the morph that shoots back fire balls and then run the race against time for snare removal and mobility.

JumpmanLane

Ozazz wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Bad players crutched on OP wing reflect for too long. I feel that they should have tweaked the reflect instead of reducing damage taken though.

Wings had reflect since beta. It's gone. Who cares, right. @Sypher ran wings. HE was crutching? Hmmmm...Stop the jokes.

How was wings not easy mode? Shut down and damage/cc ranged attacks with one ability, lol.

4 projectiles over 6 seconds? If that was op you're a potato. lol

m8 your bad lol straight up

You need to check your kill counter, fool. You’re a preening mediocrity trying to get ZOS to lower the standards of the game to your sad level through nerfs.

Click on your own name and read the countless comments you’ve made on your KNEES begging ZOS for nerfs lmao. If you’re really gonna pretend otherwise, go back and delete that trash.

Forum Nerfling hehehehe

JumpmanLane

Ozazz wrote: »

ill take pride in contributing to getting an EZ mode zergling class nerfed, if that's what your upset about!
it's weird for some reason dk's think they should be able to tank all of cyrodiil while hard cc ing people with the most broken cc in game or chaining them back to their zerg's

Says the Forum Nerfling playing an ez-mode Sorc. Nah, you’re trying to nerf the class that 100% countered YOU, not Magicka Sorcerer lmao. YOU said that.

zParallaxz

Ozazz wrote: »

also I would have no problem buffing wings back, but what would you compensate me? a buffed dawn breaker and inev det for magika so i could counter like day 1?
doubt it! and you would be sh**

zParallaxz wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I play Dk as well and it was op, could completely shut down casters, which means it was very difficult to be stunned etc.

That was the class identity of dk, it’s what added to the tank play style of both mag and stam dk.

yeah well thats the equivalent to saying shield stacking was class identity etc, shields have gotten adjusted accordingly such as wings, and for anyone to justify wings= biased. shields never 100% hard countered anyone! you either had the damage to compete or not

What are you taking about, I was for shield stacking. People only think mag sorcs can shield stack, when it’s not the case. But the bigger point is that dks get their special class ability fundamentally changed while everyone else keeps the base of their special ability.

Xvorg

Ozazz wrote: »

if someone spams wings how will you ever kill them? if your damage is all ranged near about! just curious? do explain

Do not use frags and keep pressure with a dot + force pulse. Even you can use force shock to interrupt wings and get the window to use frags. A DK spamming wings is so predictable that you can even time your interrupts if you know how to count to 6

Xvorg

zParallaxz wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

also I would have no problem buffing wings back, but what would you compensate me? a buffed dawn breaker and inev det for magika so i could counter like day 1?
doubt it! and you would be sh**

zParallaxz wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I play Dk as well and it was op, could completely shut down casters, which means it was very difficult to be stunned etc.

That was the class identity of dk, it’s what added to the tank play style of both mag and stam dk.

yeah well thats the equivalent to saying shield stacking was class identity etc, shields have gotten adjusted accordingly such as wings, and for anyone to justify wings= biased. shields never 100% hard countered anyone! you either had the damage to compete or not

What are you taking about, I was for shield stacking. People only think mag sorcs can shield stack, when it’s not the case. But the bigger point is that dks get their special class ability fundamentally changed while everyone else keeps the base of their special ability.

ward + dampen was a combo used by half of magicka players. It was the "Oh ***" combo. When shields were gutted all classes got gutted

JumpmanLane

Xvorg wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

if someone spams wings how will you ever kill them? if your damage is all ranged near about! just curious? do explain

Do not use frags and keep pressure with a dot + force pulse. Even you can use force shock to interrupt wings and get the window to use frags. A DK spamming wings is so predictable that you can even time your interrupts if you know how to count to 6

That fool MIGHT not be able to COUNT to 6...just saying lol.

TrinityBreaker

Icky wrote: »

Bad players crutched on OP wing reflect for too long. I feel that they should have tweaked the reflect instead of reducing damage taken though.

Yes reflecting 4 projectiles for 3780 magicka was indeed op. /s

asuzab16_ESO

I'm also really disappointed to see that the mechanics of wings havent been changed. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against that spell being nerf, but they simply took away a huge chunk of the MagDK's identity. I mainly PvE and I've always enjoyed using wings to counter range ennemies and now that it is gone, it feels like my MagDK is a lot more boring to play.

To summarize: it sucks that ZOS felt the need to cut out mechanics from the game. A nerf would have been enough.