Stam 1vX tier list?

WizardCawk

Hey, was wondering what everyone's thoughts are for the stam classes in 1vX this patch. Specifically Stamdk vs Stamden.

Could you all post what you think the current Stam tier list is for 1vX?

Fawn4287

Dk > templar > nightblade > the rest

Cernunnos55

This one is difficult since it depends largely on build and playstyle. My personal order would be:

StamSorc > StamDen > StamBlade > StamDK > StamPlar > StamCro. I only say this because the best toons I've had have been the top three on my list.

RebornRequiem

WizardCawk wrote: »

Hey, was wondering what everyone's thoughts are for the stam classes in 1vX this patch. Specifically Stamdk vs Stamden.

Could you all post what you think the current Stam tier list is for 1vX?

Thats very tough to answer, probably depends a lot on the content: Solo, small group, ballgroup, zerging.

Naturally for the last class content does not matter.
Otherwise pretty much all stamclasses are strong in some of them, they just have different qualities at which they excel.
For solo in my opinion stamdk, stamplar, stamden stamnb and stamsorc are all very good.

Stamdk has just the best inate healing power and seems to be very tanky. Also they have a solid base for both playstyles (bursty with obnoxious breath into dizzy spam or pressure over time with its poison effects plus rending slashes and soultrap). It is also an often used class in small groups to its tanky nature.

Stamplar got quite the suvival buff with stronger healing from cleansing ritual. Also they have the best counter to the current "dot-meta". Otherwise they belong to the rather slow classes like stamdk and therefore relies on tankyness (exceptions are builds like KristoferESO's). They also can be efficient using bursty or rather pressure playstyles. They can help out quite a bit in small groups with their cleansing synergy.

Stamden is pretty strong solo, in small groups and ball groups. Mostly they are used for the bursty combo of shalks and dizzying swing and therefore are probably the best pug stompers. Also they have quite some group utilities with northern storm ultimate and their healing skills and increasing everyones health bars. In bigger groups they combo shalks with steeltornado (or other morph for execute) for strong aoe damage.

Stamnb is very famous and strong thanks to their surviability with mostly high mobility and cloak or due to tankyness acquite by dark cloak and evasion. With mobility and invisibility they are suited very well as solo and small scale group class and synergize with both dot pressure and burst playstyles. Their ability to recover in cloak makes them an ofter played class. but they do not bring much to bigger groups.

Stamsorcs are famous for their burst and their mobility. They are the fastest class and can survive very well on squishier setups aswell on tankier ones. They also make good pugstompers with spamming dizzying swing and therefore are suited for solo and small scale groups. In bigger groups they were often used for using rapid maneuver (this is no longer the case) and their ultimate negate. With dark deal they also can recover resources quite easely.

Stamcros are rather underwhelming tough, since the skill blastbones is so unreliable. But they could bring up some group utility with their ultimatesm which applies aoe major vulnerability. Otherwise they were famous for the bashnecro builds, which got nerfed.

So basically all classes but stamcros are pretty strong right now. Stamsorcs and stamplar rose up the last patch due to the again strong dizzying swing skill or due the dot meta counter.

Cernunnos55

I hadn't considered the most recent patch's changes. I feel bad for having placed StamPlar so low on my list now.

EtTuBrutus

They're all good if you know how to play to its strengths and cover the weaknesses.

raasdal

For Solo 1vX there is no competition for StamNB.

If you consider 1v1 and / or group settings, there are alot that can be discussed.

But against 2-4 opponents, in ie. a Battleground? If played equally skilled (on the different classes), against lesser skilled opponents (which is required for any 1vX), i do not see any class beating the K/D Ratio that a StamNB can get.

The key is the survivability and noob-frustrating power of Cloak.

At least that is my experience, playing mostly StamNB, StamSorc and StamDK.

katorga

Stamcros are rather underwhelming tough, since the skill blastbones is so unreliable. But they could bring up some group utility with their ultimatesm which applies aoe major vulnerability. Otherwise they were famous for the bashnecro builds, which got nerfed.

My Stamcro ended up as my stamsorc without the speed and sustain, but with more defense and healing. If they would just fix BB and turn detonating siphon into a normal dot......

Avid boneyard and harmony is wicked fun. Not super useful, but self synergy is the coolest new mechanic I've seen in ESO in a while. They should add more of them.

Ecfigies

For solo NB, for duo or group Warden and DK.

jonathanb16_ESO

Personally i like the warden this patch because of the free purge, when you have los you can purge 2-3 time and you good to go. An Templar will be strong for the same reason, i woulden't advice playing something squishy, without a *** of healing. The warden burst for some reason feels stronger, even though the db is really *** and I'm in Heavy now (probably just my mind).

Luede

Ecfigies wrote: »

For solo NB, for duo or group Warden and DK.

only if u wait until u farm a potato. if u take every 1vs1 u can get, than no, NBs are not at the top. But it depends how u will play the game.

akray21

Cernunnos55 wrote: »

This one is difficult since it depends largely on build and playstyle. My personal order would be:

StamSorc > StamDen > StamBlade > StamDK > StamPlar > StamCro. I only say this because the best toons I've had have been the top three on my list.

For stamsorc what spamable are you using, because dswing is useless with current game performance.

RebornRequiem

akray21 wrote: »

Cernunnos55 wrote: »

This one is difficult since it depends largely on build and playstyle. My personal order would be:

StamSorc > StamDen > StamBlade > StamDK > StamPlar > StamCro. I only say this because the best toons I've had have been the top three on my list.

For stamsorc what spamable are you using, because dswing is useless with current game performance.

Well dizzy is the best skill as spammable currently. The other options would be flurry or imbue weapons.

akray21

RebornRequiem wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Cernunnos55 wrote: »

This one is difficult since it depends largely on build and playstyle. My personal order would be:

StamSorc > StamDen > StamBlade > StamDK > StamPlar > StamCro. I only say this because the best toons I've had have been the top three on my list.

For stamsorc what spamable are you using, because dswing is useless with current game performance.

Well dizzy is the best skill as spammable currently. The other options would be flurry or imbue weapons.

I just can't get a good hit rate with dizzy despite the fact that I'm maintaining aim on the target. I'm guessing that the enemies true location and the location I perceive them to be at is not aligned? This usually results in me applying my two dots, switching to 2H, and wasting 3 or 4 seconds trying to land a hit. I feel like the meta and performance issues are both pushing me towards a full ez mode dot build.

Cernunnos55

akray21 wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Cernunnos55 wrote: »

This one is difficult since it depends largely on build and playstyle. My personal order would be:

StamSorc > StamDen > StamBlade > StamDK > StamPlar > StamCro. I only say this because the best toons I've had have been the top three on my list.

For stamsorc what spamable are you using, because dswing is useless with current game performance.

Well dizzy is the best skill as spammable currently. The other options would be flurry or imbue weapons.

I just can't get a good hit rate with dizzy despite the fact that I'm maintaining aim on the target. I'm guessing that the enemies true location and the location I perceive them to be at is not aligned? This usually results in me applying my two dots, switching to 2H, and wasting 3 or 4 seconds trying to land a hit. I feel like the meta and performance issues are both pushing me towards a full ez mode dot build.

Some folk are skilled at sidestepping the Dizzy hitbox. I know that whenever I am up against a Dizzy spammer I have a very specific circular movement pattern that I use, enabling me to evade their target area while spamming Dizzy myself. However there are ways to mitigate this. As a sorcerer, you have access to a root and a stun. These can be used to keep the recipient of the Dizzy in place.

Cernunnos55

Actually, I just realised it wasn't you that said you were a Stamsorc. Principle still applies - make them stand still basically.

Vermethys

RebornRequiem wrote: »

Well dizzy is the best skill as spammable currently. The other options would be flurry or imbue weapons.

I'm using Silver Shards on both my StamDK and StamSorc. For me, it has an 8.5k tooltip, boosts WD by 3%, has 22m range, and melts Werewolves and Vampires. Oh, and it has an AoE component for when you're fighting multiple clustered targets.

I think Heavy S&B StamDK is still on top, followed by either Stamden or StamSorc. My StamSorc has amazing damage and survivability, but it falls short sometimes because of Dark Deal and Dawnbreaker's cast time. StamDK is the complete package. Though I've not been seeing many good StamDKs anymore for some reason.

WeylandLabs

Tier list ? 🤤

Id pressume 95% are 2h burst playstyles on every stam class, cause it's easier for them.

To simplify your question I'd say -

What rank stam class do you enjoy or find the easiest to play in X situations. ?

MartiniDaniels

Vermethys wrote: »

RebornRequiem wrote: »

Well dizzy is the best skill as spammable currently. The other options would be flurry or imbue weapons.

I'm using Silver Shards on both my StamDK and StamSorc. For me, it has an 8.5k tooltip, boosts WD by 3%, has 22m range, and melts Werewolves and Vampires. Oh, and it has an AoE component for when you're fighting multiple clustered targets.

I think Heavy S&B StamDK is still on top, followed by either Stamden or StamSorc. My StamSorc has amazing damage and survivability, but it falls short sometimes because of Dark Deal and Dawnbreaker's cast time. StamDK is the complete package. Though I've not been seeing many good StamDKs anymore for some reason.

Try it with corrosive against the grouped players like on Alessia, this is real fun. Silver shards are considered direct damage somehow, even aoe part.

The_Lex

On my Stam DK, Ive been using Fury and Deadly Strike (dw/2h) this patch. The dots hit crazy hard and survivability is good in heavy - especially with cauterize.

Sungod

The_Lex wrote: »

On my Stam DK, Ive been using Fury and Deadly Strike (dw/2h) this patch. The dots hit crazy hard and survivability is good in heavy - especially with cauterize.

what sets are you running?

The_Lex

Sungod wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

On my Stam DK, Ive been using Fury and Deadly Strike (dw/2h) this patch. The dots hit crazy hard and survivability is good in heavy - especially with cauterize.

what sets are you running?

Nord
Clockwork Citrus Filet
Warrior Stone
5 Warrior's Fury on the body
5 Deadly Strike (3 jewels, 2 axes, 1 battleaxe)
Either: Troll King or Bloodspawn - depends on my mood and the damage I'm seeing that day.

It's a very offensively minded set-up. With the changes to Fury, it's a viable option in no CP as well.

TimeDazzler

StamDK/Stamsorc > Stamden/Stamblade > Stamplar > Stamnecro

Iskiab

raasdal wrote: »

For Solo 1vX there is no competition for StamNB.

If you consider 1v1 and / or group settings, there are alot that can be discussed.

But against 2-4 opponents, in ie. a Battleground? If played equally skilled (on the different classes), against lesser skilled opponents (which is required for any 1vX), i do not see any class beating the K/D Ratio that a StamNB can get.

The key is the survivability and noob-frustrating power of Cloak.

At least that is my experience, playing mostly StamNB, StamSorc and StamDK.

Your nuts. Your chances of winning in a battleground go down for every stamblade on your team. Idk why they even queue.

susmitds

Iskiab wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

For Solo 1vX there is no competition for StamNB.

If you consider 1v1 and / or group settings, there are alot that can be discussed.

But against 2-4 opponents, in ie. a Battleground? If played equally skilled (on the different classes), against lesser skilled opponents (which is required for any 1vX), i do not see any class beating the K/D Ratio that a StamNB can get.

The key is the survivability and noob-frustrating power of Cloak.

At least that is my experience, playing mostly StamNB, StamSorc and StamDK.

Your nuts. Your chances of winning in a battleground go down for every stamblade on your team. Idk why they even queue.

Stamblade is king in open world PvP, at least in CP. BG is a different all together. You can build tanky on stamblade but tbh they have zero unique group utility this patch, it is better to go rollerblade and get drop kills when possible.

katorga

Iskiab wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

For Solo 1vX there is no competition for StamNB.

If you consider 1v1 and / or group settings, there are alot that can be discussed.

But against 2-4 opponents, in ie. a Battleground? If played equally skilled (on the different classes), against lesser skilled opponents (which is required for any 1vX), i do not see any class beating the K/D Ratio that a StamNB can get.

The key is the survivability and noob-frustrating power of Cloak.

At least that is my experience, playing mostly StamNB, StamSorc and StamDK.

Your nuts. Your chances of winning in a battleground go down for every stamblade on your team. Idk why they even queue.

Looking at enhancing the BG team and being effective in BGs, how would you order the stam classes?

Metemsycosis

My rank for ow cyrodiil is

nb dk templar warden sorc necro

Vermethys

@katorga IMO for BGs now (group play):
1- Stamina Templar because of their improved healing and purge.
2- Stamina Warden, because it can be tanky, bursty, and it provides plenty of group healing.
3- Stamina Necromancer -- AoE Major Defile and Major Vulnerability are too good.
4- Stamina Dragonknight -- Previously one of the best classes at off-healing, now much more selfish. Yet very strong and fun to play.
5- Stamina Sorcerer -- Selfish playstyle, but very mobile and burst-oriented.
6- Stamina Nightblade -- Only shines in the CTR and Crazy King game modes imo.

My personal favourites are StamDK and StamSorc despite that.

WizardCawk

Metemsycosis wrote: »

My rank for ow cyrodiil is

nb dk templar warden sorc necro

I feel as though this is the most spot on, the only thing I would say is NB drops significantly against good players, I feel DK is top, followed by temp/warden, then sorc, then necro.

Rake

seems stamina magplar is the best.
I mean no one can forbid my magplar to identify as stamplar.

Koensol

In general I think it is like this: Stamblade / Stamsorc, Stamdk / Stamden, Stamplar, Stamnecro.

For stam, stamblade and stamsorc are the obvious best 1vx classes out there for the simple reason they can escape whenever the hell they want if played right. In some situations with a lot of AoE and detect pots I think stamsorc even comes out on top.