Update 25 2020 Q1 Patch Size

Mancombe_Nosehair

As I understand it, we are all going to to effectively reinstall the game with update 25. The file download is going to be massive. Whilst I understand why you are doing this, the method of downloading updates is very cumbersome. I'd rather quit and uninstall that go through that again.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I think you ought to consider allowing us to download this update from the internet directly (i.e. from your web browser), perhaps as a zipped self extractor file when you open it, or something similar.

Thanks.

jcm2606

A predownload option would be nice, too. Allow us to download like a week before the patch rolls out, placing the game in a separate folder, so those of us with slow connections can still continue playing while we leave it downloading overnight.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Might be worth maybe passing up the grape vine?

Amiliana

Either that, or that they start allowing images (.iso etc) to be downloaded and shared on various sites to spread the load...

Can not play the game anyway without having an account so no worries about hacking/copying/cracking the software itself.

MJallday

jcm2606 wrote: »

A predownload option would be nice, too. Allow us to download like a week before the patch rolls out, placing the game in a separate folder, so those of us with slow connections can still continue playing while we leave it downloading overnight.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Might be worth maybe passing up the grape vine?

Will never happen - would require massive changes to the installer plus what’s to stop people breaking and changing elements by manipulation of files

The patch will be ready when it’s ready.

MCBIZZLE300

If it improves performance I have no objection.

RaddlemanNumber7

Q1 PTS is going to be fun

pdblake

Is there a valid reason for downloading the whole game again? Seems extreme unless they've rewritten it totally. I find the normal patches take ages to download and I'm on a decent internet connection.

I'm not sure I want to wait that long for a patch tbh. Especially when I have no faith that anything will actually be made any better by it.

GrimTheReaper45

where are you all getting this info?

GlorphNoldorin

If I recall correctly they said we would have to reinstall the game but the size would be much smaller than the current game size, was it 30Gb they said? cant remember

Nordic__Knights

For pc that works great but for ps4 Xbox thats not going to work sorry to inform you console players are in this game too

karthrag_inak

luton0watford4 wrote: »

As I understand it, we are all going to to effectively reinstall the game with update 25.

where did you hear this?

RaddlemanNumber7

The info is in the blog article:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Q1 2020: Update 25
Patching overhaul
Big changes to the way ESO is downloaded, patched, and stored on local hard drives. We need to refresh ESO’s patching and file manifest data to remove duplicate files and older data that is no longer needed. This will result in a major reduction of space taken up by the client on the player’s local hard drive. Console players will see a significantly larger impact compared to PC, because of the way those patching systems work
User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles
NOTE: Every ESO player, on every platform, will have to re-download the game client when this change happens, probably with the launch of Update 25

pdblake

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The info is in the blog article:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Q1 2020: Update 25
Patching overhaul
Big changes to the way ESO is downloaded, patched, and stored on local hard drives. We need to refresh ESO’s patching and file manifest data to remove duplicate files and older data that is no longer needed. This will result in a major reduction of space taken up by the client on the player’s local hard drive. Console players will see a significantly larger impact compared to PC, because of the way those patching systems work
User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles
NOTE: Every ESO player, on every platform, will have to re-download the game client when this change happens, probably with the launch of Update 25

That says re-download the client, not the game. That's not that big a deal.

ETA: I seem to be wrong and the client is the whole game, in which case it is a big deal, and I doubt I'll wait the day and half it takes to download it to make no difference to the performance of the server whatsoever.

lemonizzle

Imagine the backlash if it works as well as this year's Q4 updates.

Hotel6

When they say client,it means the whole game?

Dosuul

Hotel6 wrote: »

When they say client,it means the whole game?

Yes, but you could download the PTS bit by bit and then simply copy it's content to the live folder, when it goes live.

richo262

It is a one time thing, I'm sure you'll manage.

Grimm13

OP realize they are removing unused assets in the code that has never been taken out, just abandoned. This is why they are saying it is best to uninstall and then install the new download. If it's done as a patch it is possible that it would not do it correctly.

This said, it would be good if they allow to have the new download done prior in the background the proceeding week. They could have it password locked, then on the day of install switch give us password to unlock. If anything was changed from the install of the actual server, then a update could be pushed to send out the changes to the pre-install. At least the bulk of the info would have already been done. This probably would entail a longer down time if they needed to push an update.

Grimm13

Hotel6 wrote: »

When they say client,it means the whole game?

Yes

itsfatbass

pdblake wrote: »

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The info is in the blog article:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Q1 2020: Update 25
Patching overhaul
Big changes to the way ESO is downloaded, patched, and stored on local hard drives. We need to refresh ESO’s patching and file manifest data to remove duplicate files and older data that is no longer needed. This will result in a major reduction of space taken up by the client on the player’s local hard drive. Console players will see a significantly larger impact compared to PC, because of the way those patching systems work
User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles
NOTE: Every ESO player, on every platform, will have to re-download the game client when this change happens, probably with the launch of Update 25

That says re-download the client, not the game. That's not that big a deal.

The client IS THE game lulz. Client refers to the version of the game installed on OUR (the user) end

Heatnix90

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

If it improves performance I have no objection.

Boy do I have some news for you then

It's not going to improve anything

pdblake

itsfatbass wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The info is in the blog article:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Q1 2020: Update 25
Patching overhaul
Big changes to the way ESO is downloaded, patched, and stored on local hard drives. We need to refresh ESO’s patching and file manifest data to remove duplicate files and older data that is no longer needed. This will result in a major reduction of space taken up by the client on the player’s local hard drive. Console players will see a significantly larger impact compared to PC, because of the way those patching systems work
User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles
NOTE: Every ESO player, on every platform, will have to re-download the game client when this change happens, probably with the launch of Update 25

That says re-download the client, not the game. That's not that big a deal.

The client IS THE game lulz. Client refers to the version of the game installed on OUR (the user) end

Lulz?

Fair enough it is a big download then. I assumed that client meant the launcher. No need to be an arse about it.

itsfatbass

pdblake wrote: »

itsfatbass wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The info is in the blog article:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Q1 2020: Update 25
Patching overhaul
Big changes to the way ESO is downloaded, patched, and stored on local hard drives. We need to refresh ESO’s patching and file manifest data to remove duplicate files and older data that is no longer needed. This will result in a major reduction of space taken up by the client on the player’s local hard drive. Console players will see a significantly larger impact compared to PC, because of the way those patching systems work
User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles
NOTE: Every ESO player, on every platform, will have to re-download the game client when this change happens, probably with the launch of Update 25

That says re-download the client, not the game. That's not that big a deal.

The client IS THE game lulz. Client refers to the version of the game installed on OUR (the user) end

Lulz?

Fair enough it is a big download then. I assumed that client meant the launcher. No need to be an arse about it.

Not one single word in my post was "arse". I was simply informing you of your misunderstanding.

richo262

Grimm13 wrote: »

OP realize they are removing unused assets in the code that has never been taken out, just abandoned. This is why they are saying it is best to uninstall and then install the new download. If it's done as a patch it is possible that it would not do it correctly.

This said, it would be good if they allow to have the new download done prior in the background the proceeding week. They could have it password locked, then on the day of install switch give us password to unlock. If anything was changed from the install of the actual server, then a update could be pushed to send out the changes to the pre-install. At least the bulk of the info would have already been done. This probably would entail a longer down time if they needed to push an update.

Source on the recommendation to uninstall and re-download? I'd assume the patcher would check every folder and purge what is no longer needed, or even start with a full wipe.

The reason why they wouldn't (at least automatically) pre-download the new version of the game in the background is the sheer size of having 2 versions of the game, albeit if one is smaller than the other. For something that is going to be a one time thing, it is probably not worth the effort to over complicate it anyway.

MJallday

They’ve said it multiple times on the performance update threads

You need to download it all again once, then subsequent Updates will be much smaller- which is great news for console players

itsfatbass

richo262 wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

OP realize they are removing unused assets in the code that has never been taken out, just abandoned. This is why they are saying it is best to uninstall and then install the new download. If it's done as a patch it is possible that it would not do it correctly.

This said, it would be good if they allow to have the new download done prior in the background the proceeding week. They could have it password locked, then on the day of install switch give us password to unlock. If anything was changed from the install of the actual server, then a update could be pushed to send out the changes to the pre-install. At least the bulk of the info would have already been done. This probably would entail a longer down time if they needed to push an update.

Source on the recommendation to uninstall and re-download? I'd assume the patcher would check every folder and purge what is no longer needed, or even start with a full wipe.

The reason why they wouldn't (at least automatically) pre-download the new version of the game in the background is the sheer size of having 2 versions of the game, albeit if one is smaller than the other. For something that is going to be a one time thing, it is probably not worth the effort to over complicate it anyway.

The patcher should handle everything for you on patch day. And they will likely not have any "predownloads" available simply because stuff can change up to patch day itself.

Hallothiel

Sorry to be a bit obtuse, but on console (at least ps4) you have to have a stupid amount of what it considers ‘free space’ before it even thinks about downloading something (which is why I have an HDD).

There will need to be CLEAR instructions in simple terms as to what should be done / be expected across all platforms.

But given that this company is not always on top of their game when it comes to decent communication.......

dcam86b14_ESO

I have a fast pc and awesome internet, this should be a breeze. considering they are optimizing files and archiving old accounts, super ez day for me.

vamp_emily

200 million players are going to be downloading at the same time??

sound like a YEAR 2020 "worlds going to end" crash. Stock up on water, food and batteries!

svartorn

I'm skeptically hyped for this patch.

I really hope it delivers what they're promising.

srfrogg23

If nothing else, I'll at least touch some of my other games. A lot of my library has gone horribly neglected for a little too long.