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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

The Ultimate Neckbeard

misra
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I think it would be cool if ZoS implemented a way to check peoples achievements in game (even just your total points). It would give achievements something to be proud about and show off. Thoughts?


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  • therift
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    You mean like on console?
  • Kel
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    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    Edited by Kel on August 17, 2019 10:10PM
  • BigBragg
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    Isn't that what titles and some skins allow players to do?
  • misra
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    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
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    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.
    Edited by MasterSpatula on August 17, 2019 10:19PM
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  • Chicharron
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    misra wrote: »
    I think it would be cool if ZoS implemented a way to check peoples achievements in game (even just your total points). It would give achievements something to be proud about and show off. Thoughts?


    pleasefortheloveofallthatisgoodmakeachievementsaccountwideokaythereisaiditimsorryitwonthappenagain

    interesting, i don't give a **ck about the achievements of other players, but if that makes fetishists happy, why not?
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    misra wrote: »
    I think it would be cool if ZoS implemented a way to check peoples achievements in game (even just your total points). It would give achievements something to be proud about and show off. Thoughts?

    So you want to be seen, rather than do the seeing.
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  • Kel
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    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!
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    All must bow before my massive wax harvesting skillz!

    In short, no thank you. I've run across-- not been a victim of, personally-- achievement point total mockery in GW2, which puts your total front and center for any rando to look at whenever they want. It's a stupid and pointless function for a large portion of the player base. Linking relevant achievements for certain types of content should be more than enough.

    kinda agree with your chicken scratch btw :D
    Edited by jainiadral on August 17, 2019 11:08PM
  • TheShadowScout
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    misra wrote: »
    The Ultimate Neckbeard
    ...happened almost two thousand years ago:
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    misra wrote: »
    I think it would be cool if ZoS implemented a way to check peoples achievements in game (even just your total points). It would give achievements something to be proud about and show off.
    ...is that not why they made titles for the good ones anyhow?

    But there -could- be more titles for achievement hunters... (I really want to see one "Over-achiever" title for getting them all...)
    misra wrote: »
    pleasefortheloveofallthatisgoodmakeachievementsaccountwideokaythereisaiditimsorryitwonthappenagain
    Won't happen.
    At -best- they might sell achievement mirroring like skyshards or skill lines, but... who'd buy that, seeing how it made no difference???

    What I -would- want to see... is an "account achievement overview page" they could put that on the character selection screen, and it would show which character of yours has completed what achievement when, as well as an "account total" score... and possibly rewards for multiple achievement completions! Like... do mainstory with each class, get these "mannimarco" outfit bits unlocked, reach level 50 with each race, get that special "tamriel map model" furniture unlocked, get emperor in every alliance, get that special "emperors coronation robes" costume unlocked, etc. Stuff like that anyhow.
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    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    It's already used like that. Some guilds already ask for linking achievements. This idea would just take the hassle of linking it.
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  • Vlad9425
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    Why? I don’t think that actually achieves anything positive for the game.
  • mairwen85
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    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    # swing low #

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  • Tsar_Gekkou
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    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.
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  • mairwen85
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    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.

    There’s a difference between swinging it and slapping people across the face with it.

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    Just because you have achievements doesn't mean you are any good.
    Too many paid carries in this game.
    Edited by TequilaFire on August 18, 2019 1:15PM
  • wishlist14
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    Just because you have achievements doesn't mean you are any good.
    To many paid carries in this game.

    Your wisdom deserves an awesome..there you go ❤😊
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    I must be behind on my terminology. Is this another term for potato?

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  • Ananoriel
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    The title :')

    But yes I would like to have an option for this.
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    misra wrote: »
    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.

    If farming Trials is that important to you, get a pre-made group together and don’t PUG.

    I thought that concept was learned in group dungeons ... but apparently it eludes some players that progress on in content difficulty.

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  • GrimTheReaper45
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    does anyone even care about achievements?
  • Kel
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    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.

    How do you expect anyone to get experience if you dont let them in?

    Sounds pretty self defeating to me....
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    Edited by Kel on August 18, 2019 5:00PM
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    Kel wrote: »
    How do you expect anyone to get experience if you dont let them in?

    Sounds pretty self defeating to me....

    Precisely.

    Yes, we all know get that people want to be successful in group content.

    But @Kel is 100% correct: how to people get to learn this content if no one is going to give them a helping hand?

    Less than 1% of the playerbase will have learned new content "from scratch" - that is without any form of help at all.

    Most of the "epeen warriors" will either have spent time on PTS learning this by failing, many, many times, or have watched streams - read walkthroughs by people who did.

    They want "content ready" group mates but are too damned lazy and entitled to help those group mates get "content ready".


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    Kel wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.

    How do you expect anyone to get experience if you dont let them in?

    Sounds pretty self defeating to me....
    😑
    https://imgur.com/a/kNIa85h

    Are you being ignorant on purpose? You don't try and get into a vet trial farming/score group if you've never beaten or progressed it before. i've seen too many people lie about their experience to join farming groups and ruin the group for everyone else because they don't know any mechanics and don't ask because they don't want to be found out. If you need to learn the mechanics, run it on normal a bunch, and then start running vet while asking questions. Don't just dive into the deep end and expect everyone to carry you.
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    Kel wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.

    How do you expect anyone to get experience if you dont let them in?

    Sounds pretty self defeating to me....
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    https://imgur.com/a/kNIa85h

    Are you being ignorant on purpose? You don't try and get into a vet trial farming/score group if you've never beaten or progressed it before. i've seen too many people lie about their experience to join farming groups and ruin the group for everyone else because they don't know any mechanics and don't ask because they don't want to be found out. If you need to learn the mechanics, run it on normal a bunch, and then start running vet while asking questions. Don't just dive into the deep end and expect everyone to carry you.

    It's called the permission paradox and is the biggest self propagating catch-22 you encounter in many areas of life. It's only natural that self governing epeen hierarchies overlook the circular logic and hold up the fallacy (note the pun here was censored :neutral:) . When the only measure you have is a single gate of reference, what other requirements do you need, right?

    But seriously, who pugs a score run?
    Edited by mairwen85 on August 19, 2019 6:18AM
  • Tsar_Gekkou
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    mairwen85 wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity. Pretty stupid too, since someone might meet every other requirement and had yet to clear whatever is asked for.
    In other words, it's used (read; abused) as a gate.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    How is it you think this isn't already happening?

    Anyway, OP is asking for an "examine" function, not a "link" function. Which might actually be worse, from your perspective, but is definitely not what you're talking about.


    One thing I'd kinda like to see is a "Master List" of achievements. Keep achievements by character, but also have an account-wide list.

    Neckbeards unite, I guess...you go guys.
    Swing that epeen!

    Not wanting inexperienced people in a group that requires experience is "epeen?" I'm pretty sure you don't try to join an Algebra 2 class when you still can't do long division.

    How do you expect anyone to get experience if you dont let them in?

    Sounds pretty self defeating to me....
    😑
    https://imgur.com/a/kNIa85h

    Are you being ignorant on purpose? You don't try and get into a vet trial farming/score group if you've never beaten or progressed it before. i've seen too many people lie about their experience to join farming groups and ruin the group for everyone else because they don't know any mechanics and don't ask because they don't want to be found out. If you need to learn the mechanics, run it on normal a bunch, and then start running vet while asking questions. Don't just dive into the deep end and expect everyone to carry you.

    It's called the permission paradox and is the biggest self propagating catch-22 you encounter in many areas of life. It's only natural that self governing epeen hierarchies overlook the circular logic and hold up the fallacy (note the pun here was censored :neutral:) . When the only measure you have is a single gate of reference, what other requirements do you need, right?

    But seriously, who pugs a score run?

    I think you're missing what i'm saying by a little bit. I'm not talking about needing a vMoL complete in order to do a casual vMoL fun run(in which people have no problem teaching). I'm talking about needing a vMoL complete to do a vMoL score run or hard mode/Fang Focused/Void Avoided. If you've at least ran the trial on normal a bunch, of course you can join a casual vet trial, but trying to jump into a vet trial when you don't even know the basics never works. And the people usually aren't random craglorn pugs, but guildmates who just aren't on the level as some other guildmates, so they're half-pug or something.
    Edited by Tsar_Gekkou on August 19, 2019 6:29AM
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  • mairwen85
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    don't try and get into a vet trial farming/score group if you've never beaten or progressed it before.
    mairwen85 wrote: »
    But seriously, who pugs a score run?
    I think you're missing what i'm saying by a little bit [snip] I'm talking about needing a vMoL complete to do a vMoL score run

    I repeat:
    mairwen85 wrote: »
    ... who pugs a score run?
    I'm not talking about needing a vMoL complete in order to do a casual vMoL fun run(in which people have no problem teaching).

    Think you'll find we're saying the same thing.
    mairwen85 wrote: »
    There’s a difference between swinging it and slapping people across the face with it.

    Even in a progression group, you learn to play with the group, as a group/unit, to each other's strengths and weaknesses.
    Edited by mairwen85 on August 19, 2019 10:55AM
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    misra wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    Why?
    This is primarily used in other MMO's to keep players out of content...As in, "Link achievement if you want in this" x activity.

    If you dont think this would be abused in ESO, you're fooling yourself.

    people ask you to link your achievement already. unless you're in a progression run, you SHOULD have to link a clear to join a group that is farming vet trials. no one wants dead weight in hard content.

    I think the problem people have is asking for vet achievements for norm. Don’t lie and say it doesn’t happen, I can say for a fact it does and in every other MMO where you can. It’s human nature to want the path with least resistance after all.
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