[Group Finder new role] "Carry"

Agenericname

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Create an achievement for each dungeon, for completing it SOLO.
If you have the achievement, you can enter the Group Finder queue for that dungeon with a special role, "Carry" -- because theoretically you can complete it on your own.
This role would have the highest priority, and grab the first three people waiting the longest time.

Provided that the other 3 agreed, sure. At that point why not just add an option run a non-standard configuration though. Then its mutual.

I can and have solo'd almost every vet that doesn't require a second person. That doesn't mean that I want to run with 4 dds.

Dusk_Coven

Agenericname wrote: »

At that point why not just add an option run a non-standard configuration though. Then its mutual.

One of the key points of the proposal is the Achievement, which is "proof" that you can do it. Otherwise, people could just lie now like they do when they fake-tank or fake-heal in the queue. And then there'd be no change in the system.

The second key point is the Priority you get if you are the player Carrying. You get top priority because you can take any 3 people with you -- the 3 waiting longest in the queue already.

Without these, there'd be really no change to the system. Just continue fake-queuing.
This proposal isn't JUST about whether you can carry. It is also about how someone who can reasonably carry a party can move the queue along.
Of course there will still be stupid people who can barely carry and are basically cheating to get help. But for the people who can do it competently it helps everyone.

Agenericname

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

At that point why not just add an option run a non-standard configuration though. Then its mutual.

One of the key points of the proposal is the Achievement, which is "proof" that you can do it. Otherwise, people could just lie now like they do when they fake-tank or fake-heal in the queue. And then there'd be no change in the system.

The second key point is the Priority you get if you are the player Carrying. You get top priority because you can take any 3 people with you -- the 3 waiting longest in the queue already.

Without these, there'd be really no change to the system. Just continue fake-queuing.
This proposal isn't JUST about whether you can carry. It is also about how someone who can reasonably carry a party can move the queue along.
Of course there will still be stupid people who can barely carry and are basically cheating to get help. But for the people who can do it competently it helps everyone.

I guess you're not understanding what I'm saying. My point is the person with the "carry" achievement is forcing a decision on the other 3, they had no say in the matter. It's a sanctioned fake queue.

I can do it and no interest in running content with 4 DDs, because it will be 4 DDs. Tanks don't have a queue time to speak of and healers are like Schrodinger's cat in this game.

If I need a faster queue I'll just tank.

Dusk_Coven

Agenericname wrote: »

If I need a faster queue I'll just tank.

This proposal isn't really aimed at helping tanks. They obviously don't need help to move the queue along.
Sure, YOU can "just tank". Not everyone can. They usually don't have the actual skill or mindset to do it. Just because YOU don't need something doesn't mean other people don't either.

And it's not really a "sanctioned fake queue". A fake queue is one where people queued fake roles AND the dungeon run might fail because of that AND they did it to unfairly cut in front of other people.

If someone can competently carry, it's not "fake" -- it's just a faster run and a shorter queue time for everyone.
Right now if you queued legitimately and you got 1-2 DPS who zoom ahead and clear everything, that's still a legitimate queue with 1-2 Carriers.
I'm just proposing to make that a thing.

zvavi

U r aware u won't be able to queue as carry for random normal because you will not have the achievement on all normal dungeons. especially the ones that require two people.

Also, i will say it again, 90% of your "carry" fills you will have to sub for a tank, which means you wIll have to fulfill that role you are subbing for. Which means u know... Tanking the boss... Which means u could have just queue as a tank if u can hold agro and keep boss in place anyway...

Dusk_Coven

The fact is carrying already exists in various legitimate forms right now.
I am just proposing a system to put it into the Group Finder so that more people can benefit and get their stuff done instead of staying in the queue overly long, or resorting to fake-queuing cheats.

zvavi wrote: »

U r aware u won't be able to queue as carry for random normal because you will not have the achievement on all normal dungeons. especially the ones that require two people.

That depends on the exact implementation.
Right now, they filter out dungeons for low level characters who don't qualify for those dungeons.
They could similarly filter out dungeons for which you don't qualify to carry. And before you can even choose the Carry role, they could require you to qualify for maybe 5+ different dungeons.

Of course people will try to "abuse" it -- like when people ask for a lowbie to join them so that they will get a low-level random normal. But we'd be no worse off than we are right now.

zvavi wrote: »

Also, i will say it again, 90% of your "carry" fills you will have to sub for a tank, which means you wIll have to fulfill that role you are subbing for. Which means u know... Tanking the boss... Which means u could have just queue as a tank if u can hold agro and keep boss in place anyway...

If you can legitimately queue as a tank, you don't even need this and your point is irrelevant. Realistically tanks are already picking up the first 3 people. The difference is there's no guarantee the party will succeed.
If you can't legitimately queue as a tank but want to carry, you risk drawing a dungeon where you can't tank it. Then you're no better than a fake tank jumping the queue.
Not everyone who can carry wants or can do it as a tank. Most of the time the carriers I have seen are dps with no taunt.