Vigor

Jodynn

The change is uh.. special

Jodynn

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brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

The change is uh.. special

The point of vigor is a HoT so you can damage while staying alive as stam don't have shields or anything else to protect them while they attack, 4 seconds it too small of a window.

MartiniDaniels

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Now we'll see who is versatile player and who is one-trick pony, who doesn't care about anything other then his main class

darkblue5

Keep at 4 seconds

Kill the tank meta

olsborg

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The 5.1.4 patch made vigor pretty trash, specially for any stambuilds that dont have access to major or minor vitality/mending.

Derra

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I’d prefer reversal of heal nerf instead of duration. Shorter duration more healing is more dynamic.

chi_ras

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I can live with the echoing change and I will slot that since I rarely play solo. Resolving got a blast, yes, so maybe change the poll and title to that, if you only refer to this morph?

Jodynn

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Echoing is fine so it should be obvious tbh... But I am sorry, noted.

darkblue5

Keep at 4 seconds

5 seconds is also too good in PvE for stam dps....

Jodynn

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darkblue5 wrote: »

5 seconds is also too good in PvE for stam dps....

Nope, pve dps it can't stack anymore so... It's reasonable, no shield, it's not going to save you from consistent damage. The 4s 5s difference in pve won't feel it, just the stacking.

Insco851

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Needs buffed. Not back to the crazy 5.1.0 levels but reasonably to be able to mitigate more of the 30k dot meta.

Galarthor

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

The change is uh.. special

The point of vigor is a HoT so you can damage while staying alive as stam don't have shields or anything else to protect them while they attack, 4 seconds it too small of a window.

That anything else you are looking for is called Dodge Roll or Block and neither of those require of you to sacrifice a bar slot, while simultaneously allowing you to animation cancel with it and reduce the cost via both the CP system and armor traits all of which is not true for a single magicka tool in this game.

Oh and as a nice cherry on top, neither of those 2 are affected by lag!

Jodynn

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Galarthor wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

The change is uh.. special

The point of vigor is a HoT so you can damage while staying alive as stam don't have shields or anything else to protect them while they attack, 4 seconds it too small of a window.

That anything else you are looking for is called Dodge Roll or Block and neither of those require of you to sacrifice a bar slot, while simultaneously allowing you to animation cancel with it and reduce the cost via both the CP system and armor traits all of which is not true for a single magicka tool in this game.

Oh and as a nice cherry on top, neither of those 2 are affected by lag!

Do you play stam much? Because you arguing this tells me you don't.

Blocking and dodge rolling both consume your only pool of resources, and you can't block and attack efficiently.

thankyourat

I honestly think vigor is fine when you add in the other healing options that most stamina classes have. I think the underlying problem is a few stamina characters don’t have enough survivability overall but this should be buffed through your class skills and not by buffing vigor too much. If vigor becomes too strong classes like stam dk, stamblade and stamden will all receive a healing buff and that’s not needed. There were stam DKs getting 6k vigor ticks. If vigor was left as is everyone would just play stam dk because the population of ESO just gravitate towards what’s op. I feel we should fix the underlying problem which is a few classes are too weak

idk

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

The change is uh.. special

The point of vigor is a HoT so you can damage while staying alive as stam don't have shields or anything else to protect them while they attack, 4 seconds it too small of a window.

Stam does have more than vigor to keep them alive. Dodge rolling is one key aspect to survival and they have the stam poll for it, can get cost very low if they spec into it well.

Though not arguing either way about the changes. Just margin that point.

I do have one question. How many threads do we need on the same subject? Yes, I know this thread has a poll making it super duper extra special, but still.0

Deathlord92

Very worried about vigor.

Jodynn

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idk wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

The change is uh.. special

The point of vigor is a HoT so you can damage while staying alive as stam don't have shields or anything else to protect them while they attack, 4 seconds it too small of a window.

Stam does have more than vigor to keep them alive. Dodge rolling is one key aspect to survival and they have the stam poll for it, can get cost very low if they spec into it well.

Though not arguing either way about the changes. Just margin that point.

I do have one question. How many threads do we need on the same subject? Yes, I know this thread has a poll making it super duper extra special, but still.0

That's how bad of a change it is, I know it's just one second but it's also the removal of forward momentum/rally HoT

J18696

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Whoever thinks a shorter duration is helping kill the tank meta it's not if anything it hurts medium more that vigor heal took a nerf and it's duration the duration and heal should be reverted and cost maybe looked at over nerfing it's healing effectiveness

Ragnaroek93

It needs to heal for more, period. Especially medium armor doesn't stand a chance against the dot meta with nerfed Rally and Vigor rofl. I mean, I don't really have hopes that ZOS buffs much at this point, it's probably just another patch in which medium armor is dead. Best thing which you can do in the long term is changing to another game.

darkblue5

Keep at 4 seconds

J18696 wrote: »

Whoever thinks a shorter duration is helping kill the tank meta it's not if anything it hurts medium more that vigor heal took a nerf and it's duration the duration and heal should be reverted and cost maybe looked at over nerfing it's healing effectiveness

Stamina just wearing medium armor doesn't equal not having a tank meta. The general build plans before v5.1.4 were essentially tanky medium and tanky heavy specs.

Jodynn

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darkblue5 wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Whoever thinks a shorter duration is helping kill the tank meta it's not if anything it hurts medium more that vigor heal took a nerf and it's duration the duration and heal should be reverted and cost maybe looked at over nerfing it's healing effectiveness

Stamina just wearing medium armor doesn't equal not having a tank meta. The general build plans before v5.1.4 were essentially tanky medium and tanky heavy specs.

Vigor change isn't going to change that.

Medium armor shuffle should have a HoT to make it useful, rn blade cloak is much better.