Seen those mag sorc buffs coming a mile away

hesobad

mag sorc the only class in the game where you're pretty much guaranteed to not get nerfed, despite how much it over performs in in various areas. It's so obvious how ZOS babies this spec.

GIVE SHIELDS A COOL DOWN OR NOT ALLOW IT TO BE RECAST UNTIL THE SHIELD IS FULLY ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

For those who didn't bother reading patch notes

"Conjured Ward: Increased the shield size limit for this ability and the Empowered Ward morph to 50% of your Max Health from 40%. Hardened Ward is increased to 60% from 50%."

Their explanation for this buff is pretty ridiculous:
Sorcerers currently lack an ability they can utilize to heal their allies with supplemental power, such as a Heal over Time. We have some adjustments to the Power Surge morph of Surge in a future Update to help grant them such a tool!

Sorcs DO NOT NEED better healing, they have 3 shields! and with the new Healing Ward they will have plenty healing! Especially if one has the Blackrose Resto. Also don't forget the buffs to rapid regen, healing will be more than enough

Derra

What buff - can you explain?

Grollok76

hesobad wrote: »

GIVE SHIELDS A COOL DOWN OR NOT ALLOW IT TO BE RECAST UNTIL THE SHIELD IS FULLY ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

THE PROPOSED CHANGE HAS NO EFFECT ON PVP AT ALL!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

(Talking about 5.1.2 here)

Emma_Overload

What buff? I don't see any buffs.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

jaws343

hesobad wrote: »

mag sorc the only class in the game where you're pretty much guaranteed to not get nerfed, despite how much it over performs in in various areas. It's so obvious how ZOS babies this spec.

GIVE SHIELDS A COOL DOWN OR NOT ALLOW IT TO BE RECAST UNTIL THE SHIELD IS FULLY ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

Require dodge roll to take up a bar slot and a impose cooldown before being able to recast. Yay! I too can make ill informed suggestions for skills.

olsborg

Grollok76 wrote: »

hesobad wrote: »

GIVE SHIELDS A COOL DOWN OR NOT ALLOW IT TO BE RECAST UNTIL THE SHIELD IS FULLY ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

THE PROPOSED CHANGE HAS NO EFFECT ON PVP AT ALL!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

(Talking about 5.1.2 here)

Exactly this, no magsorc in pvp is at or even near the 50% cap on live, this has no effect whatsoever for pvp. What they need to do is revert the cost increase change they introduced in patch 5.0.0. Its too costly to keep the shield up enough at 3.4k magicka (thats the cost it had with the test char on pts)

On live I have 45k magicka, 25k hp and my shield is just shy of 11k, patch 5.1.2 changes this...nothing whatsoever.

jaws343

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

With zero sustain, those shields in PVP are useless.

iCaliban

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

MincVinyl

Mag sorc will always be fine, since it is very flexible as a class. One build path gets nerfed, lean towards another. Where something like a stamsorc gets a hard nerf if they touch literally whatever weapon tree you use.

jaws343

iCaliban wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

I think that is the point. People are already complaining that shields will be OP. But in order to even get a decent sized shield you have to sacrifice every other stat you have. Which is nonviable.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@iCaliban Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

@jaws343 With zero sustain, those shields in PVP are useless.

i LOVE how pvpers just absolutely sheeeettt on anything and everything right away. you two are cute, that is just my pve easy mode sorc dps, that is built 100% for damage, to show that the ward change(increase the max health cap from 40/50% to 50/60%) is NOT going to impact pvp at all. and help pve at the same time.

idk

Derra wrote: »

What buff - can you explain?

They are complaining about a change Zos made to magicka based shields in general that slightly increased the max size in general. It is not specifically a Sorc buff but OP is trying to spin it as such.

OP seems to be ignoring the reduced damage of some abilities still on the PTS and instead is focusing on the change that affects all shields that scale off magicka.

CambionDaemon

I must of read the wrong patch notes, because that shield change does nothing for me in PvP. Now if they reversed the cost increase, then maybe.

idk

iCaliban wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

Pretty sure they are just showing how insignificant the changes are in PvP. Essentially pointing out how OP is reacting without knowledge of how the effect changes PvP. It is always good to test first.

jaws343

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@iCaliban Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

@jaws343 With zero sustain, those shields in PVP are useless.

i LOVE how pvpers just absolutely sheeeettt on anything and everything right away. you two are cute, that is just my pve easy mode sorc dps, that is built 100% for damage, to show that the ward change is NOT going to impact pvp at all. and help pve at the same time.

Yeah, I am literally not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out to others here that in order to even get that 10K shield you have to run a non-viable PVP build.

iCaliban

idk wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

Pretty sure they are just showing how insignificant the changes are in PvP. Essentially pointing out how OP is reacting without knowledge of how the effect changes PvP. It is always good to test first.

He literally labeled the set up "My PVP mag sorc" We rightfully pointed out that isnt a viable pvp build. He may have mislabeled, we didnt misread.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

iCaliban wrote: »

idk wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

these stats, on the new pts patch-

pve pts mag sorc

give theses ward sizes in pve-




these pvp stats-

pvp pts mag sorc-

give these ward sizes-



no impact on pvp at all.

Your example is ridiculous. 10k stam? Good look fighting anyone with a brain with that set up. CC'ed twice and dead. And 780 mag recovery.

Pretty sure they are just showing how insignificant the changes are in PvP. Essentially pointing out how OP is reacting without knowledge of how the effect changes PvP. It is always good to test first.

He literally labeled the set up "My PVP mag sorc" We rightfully pointed out that isnt a viable pvp build. He may have mislabeled, we didnt misread.

i put "pvp pts mag sorc". if you can't wrap your head around the fact i meant "in pvp pts mag sorc", that is not my fault, as it is just literally the same toon but in pvp with battle spirit on him. you are just slow on the uptake.

olsborg

CambionDaemon wrote: »

I must of read the wrong patch notes, because that shield change does nothing for me in PvP. Now if they reversed the cost increase, then maybe.

They need to do that, or every magsorc running around will have a limp noodle for a shield if they also want to be able to sustain having it up as much as it is actually needed to in pvp.

Glory

I don't see these changes impacting most (or even any) builds shield size in PvP. The Battle Spirit shield size reduction and ease of obtaining health (prismatic) makes the health cap on shields rarely seen in PvP.

Seems like a helpful change to shields in PvE.

Moonsorrow

There was no buff what comes to mag sorc pvp.

Since those people who make these claims apparently has PTS testing ability (i doubt it, they just read things and understand them poorly) then go make a functionable msorc pvp setup and check out the shield sizes and to get a clear view on top of that.. go actually test sustaining on that build in a real situation.

Then come back and make this same claim. I dare you.

TheYKcid

No viable Magsorc PvP build is currently health-capped, the "buff" you refer to is meaningless in that context.

Shields were straight up nerfed this patch. Foremost the 800 cost increase to Hardened Ward.

I think a lot of players, Sorcs included, haven't yet realised how much of a sustain drain this is going to be. The extra regen you'll have to slot in compensation is going to lower overall damage by quite a bit.

Aedaryl

Once again, someone hwo has no idea how sorc work complain about something having LITERALLY 0 impact in PvP.

Strider__Roshin

It's a buff because now you have 10% more magicka regen

Aedaryl

Daus wrote: »

It's a buff because now you have 10% more magicka regen

Not in PvP.

Empowered shield size is 37% lower than Hardened ward.

The cap got changed from 40% to 50%, but with the nerf is strength, you don't reach the cap.

You don't even reach 50% with HARDENED, you will not reach it with 37% less value on Empowered.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Aedaryl wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

It's a buff because now you have 10% more magicka regen

Not in PvP.

Empowered shield size is 37% lower than Hardened ward.

The cap got changed from 40% to 50%, but with the nerf is strength, you don't reach the cap.

You don't even reach 50% with HARDENED, you will not reach it with 37% less value on Empowered.

for context, that 37% is really ~11% difference in magic scaling, on live, hardened ward is ~47% of your max magic at base, pts is ~42%. empowered is ~39% on live, and ~31% the pts. so, 42% of your max magic for hardened vs 31% empowered on pts.

Lokey0024

The increased cost gets justified. Good stuff.

Aedaryl

Lokey0024 wrote: »

The increased cost gets justified. Good stuff.

Justified by what?

Lokey0024

TheYKcid wrote: »

No viable Magsorc PvP build is currently health-capped, the "buff" you refer to is meaningless in that context.

Shields were straight up nerfed this patch. Foremost the 800 cost increase to Hardened Ward.

I think a lot of players, Sorcs included, haven't yet realised how much of a sustain drain this is going to be. The extra regen you'll have to slot in compensation is going to lower overall damage by quite a bit.

One of you guys will find some obscure green food/Armor combo that gets a 15k ward and everyone will lose their mind again.

Pr0Skygon

I see another person who has very little knowledge on playing a magsorc in PvP, yet have a very passionate hate on them, commenting on how magsorc "should be balanced".

Derra

Lokey0024 wrote: »

TheYKcid wrote: »

No viable Magsorc PvP build is currently health-capped, the "buff" you refer to is meaningless in that context.

Shields were straight up nerfed this patch. Foremost the 800 cost increase to Hardened Ward.

I think a lot of players, Sorcs included, haven't yet realised how much of a sustain drain this is going to be. The extra regen you'll have to slot in compensation is going to lower overall damage by quite a bit.

One of you guys will find some obscure green food/Armor combo that gets a 15k ward and everyone will lose their mind again.

This doesn´t help justifying the increased cost though - because it´s disconnected from reality.

You can do a lot of build theory that has no practical use...