Flying Blade skill problems

Red_Feather

I can't seem to use the flying teleport part on enemies i stun. Sometimes,

Because the NB's Ambush skill can get stuck in the air if used on an airborne opponent I was afraid Flying Blade might do the same because it is the same animation. So I tried to get stuck but it is hard because it wasn't working on opponents who were stunned/airborne... except sometimes it did seem to stun an enemy, such as from from stealth attack, but no STUN word appeared over the enemy's head. They just didn't move for a few second. In those cases I could use the Flying Blade teleport on the enemy who might have been stunned.

I don't know if that is part of an intended coding. It just feels unreliable and thought I should share.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Yup, Hidden Blade and its morph's need to be changed back to the spammable that it has been for like 4 years, no reason to change it after all this time, it's unreliable and clunky in its new form..

You but We know ZOS, they will not care about feedback and just push it to live and then a lot of people will cry and then, Maybe....Maybe they will change it back.. but knowing them they will not care and keep it the new way..

jeskah

Clunky as hell, the flying time alone can kill it, and i do not recon the no gcd part. Not my favourite change/morph.

Red_Feather

I think it can work, it just needs some tweaking maybe. Something is making it unreliable. I don't know what!

Finedaible

At the very least, Major Brutality should be instant on this skill and its morphs. All other skills which grant the user Major Brutality are instant, on-demand buffs (Momentum, Bull Netch, Surge, etc.) so I don't see why Dual-wield has to go through a clunky gimmick to gain that buff too. Also, if this reworked skill is now a utility instead of a spammable, then which dual-wield skill is supposed to be the spammable now? I hope they don't think Flurry or Twin Slashed are a spammable, because that would be a terrible joke.

Dashmatt

In a perfect world, these skills would stay exactly as they are on Live.

I would settle for the Major Brutality being instant and the clunkiness resolved.

I still don’t like that these are being changed so much.

Masel

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yup, Hidden Blade and its morph's need to be changed back to the spammable that it has been for like 4 years, no reason to change it after all this time, it's unreliable and clunky in its new form..

You but We know ZOS, they will not care about feedback and just push it to live and then a lot of people will cry and then, Maybe....Maybe they will change it back.. but knowing them they will not care and keep it the new way..

I have voiced that feedback a while ago when they showed us the u23 notes, but it was ignored. The skill was very cool before, now it is meh at best...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Masel wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yup, Hidden Blade and its morph's need to be changed back to the spammable that it has been for like 4 years, no reason to change it after all this time, it's unreliable and clunky in its new form..

You but We know ZOS, they will not care about feedback and just push it to live and then a lot of people will cry and then, Maybe....Maybe they will change it back.. but knowing them they will not care and keep it the new way..

I have voiced that feedback a while ago when they showed us the u23 notes, but it was ignored. The skill was very cool before, now it is meh at best...

Thanks for trying..

jcm2606

Have the base skill and Shrouded instantly give Major Brutality, and have Flying Blade instantly teleport the player when the projectile lands. The delayed nature of both the Major Brutality and gap close make this entire skill and both morphs super clunky, to the point where they're basically dead.

Dashmatt

jcm2606 wrote: »

Have the base skill and Shrouded instantly give Major Brutality, and have Flying Blade instantly teleport the player when the projectile lands. The delayed nature of both the Major Brutality and gap close make this entire skill and both morphs super clunky, to the point where they're basically dead.

If you listen to this guy, people might actually keep these skills on their bar.

Malada

Yeah this is a trrrible idea guys. Please just put it back to the way it has been. For the love of all that is good and holy just walk away from this one.

Red_Feather

What if when you throw it the skill icon changes to a new skill that grants brutality. And if you don't use that skill you do the teleport. So it's like a special cancel.

Throw Knife -> Teleport Strike if you do nothing after throwing before it hits target.

Throw Knife -> Brutality but no Teleport if you quickly use skill again before knife hits target.

Davadin

it should *ALWAYS* give out the major brutality as soon as u trigger the attack.

ALWAYS.

never fail.


no matter if u glitch, lag, person runs away, u got stunned, rooted, u got ani-cancel, whatever possible happens, MAJOR BRUT needs to kick in.

then this will be an acceptable skill.

Davadin

Malada wrote: »

Yeah this is a trrrible idea guys. Please just put it back to the way it has been. For the love of all that is good and holy just walk away from this one.

they needed to nerf this skill. some build in BG/no-CP are using it as a ranged spammable, and build properly it's an easy 6-7k per hit to a full 30k resist tank....

nekura

Davadin wrote: »

Malada wrote: »

Yeah this is a trrrible idea guys. Please just put it back to the way it has been. For the love of all that is good and holy just walk away from this one.

they needed to nerf this skill. some build in BG/no-CP are using it as a ranged spammable, and build properly it's an easy 6-7k per hit to a full 30k resist tank....

This used to be my favorite skill in the game. Recently I’ve been using it as my spammable since the Surprise Attack nerf.

First hit was like 1.1k less tooltip than Surprise Attack, 2nd hit the same damage, 3rd even more. On PTS it’s ~7k x3 vs 10.2k Surprise Attack.

I actually like the interrupt functionality since I’ve been using the bow interrupt for 3 years.

They are just creating another monster with the new crossbow aoe morph. Everyone seems to be sleeping on that damage. Basically an aoe surprise attack tooltip, no cap and buffable 25%. Like, wtf are they thinking?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

ZOS, people have spoken here, we would like it back the way it was, if it is too powerful then tone down the damage or give it a Minor buff instead of a major... we want it back the way it used to be...

Please don't break what didn't need to be changed in the 1st place..

EatYourVegetables

This change gets the ಠ_ಠ from me. The lack of instant major brutality kind of kills this skill. I've tested it out quite a bit on PTS and also played on live for comparison, and live is just better.

I run an off meta pelinal's build on my templar with dual wield. Its pretty fun on live, but it relies on the immediate brutality from hidden blade as a ranged opener to get damage. So basically this skill is getting dropped from the build. I've theorycrafted various ways to fix it after this fix goes in, and they all stink:
1) Use dreugh king. But then I'm stuck with that forever on this build, which is lame since I sometimes experiment with other sets on pelinals builds.
2) Potions. Ingredients right now are 36g for lorkhan's tears, 67g for dragonthorn, and 46g for stinkhorn to makes the cheapest possible brutality potion (oh and also applies fracture you but ignore that for now). 4 potions a pop means about 37g per potion use. Figure 1.5 fights on average per potion use for various trash mobs etc. So thats 370g per 15 fights...just ran through a delve, didn't do the quest, just killed the miniboss and got the skyshard. Used 6 potions. Gonna pass on this.
4) Switch to spell power and use entropy instead. This is probably what I'll end up doing if I want to salvage this build, but I lose out on the balanced warrior bonus. Then I'll probably just drop dual wield on this build entirely, since the only other skill I use is rending slashes, which isn't all that useful for me.

Anyway, please bring back the instant ranged major brutality on this skill.

karthrag_inak

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS, people have spoken here, we would like it back the way it was, if it is too powerful then tone down the damage or give it a Minor buff instead of a major... we want it back the way it used to be...

Please don't break what didn't need to be changed in the 1st place..

But that's the point, isn't it? They're not trying to address what is broken - that would mean toning down relequen. After all, that's what is as the root of the problem they're trying to address - the primary cause of the OP stam dps isn't that these weapon skills need tweaking after all these years, it's that one set in a pay-to-play expansion is severely imbalanced. Of course, they can't tone down relequen without hitting the bottom line, so ...

Red_Feather

EatYourVegetables wrote: »

This change gets the ಠ_ಠ from me. The lack of instant major brutality kind of kills this skill. I've tested it out quite a bit on PTS and also played on live for comparison, and live is just better.

I run an off meta pelinal's build on my templar with dual wield. Its pretty fun on live, but it relies on the immediate brutality from hidden blade as a ranged opener to get damage. So basically this skill is getting dropped from the build. I've theorycrafted various ways to fix it after this fix goes in, and they all stink:
1) Use dreugh king. But then I'm stuck with that forever on this build, which is lame since I sometimes experiment with other sets on pelinals builds.
2) Potions. Ingredients right now are 36g for lorkhan's tears, 67g for dragonthorn, and 46g for stinkhorn to makes the cheapest possible brutality potion (oh and also applies fracture you but ignore that for now). 4 potions a pop means about 37g per potion use. Figure 1.5 fights on average per potion use for various trash mobs etc. So thats 370g per 15 fights...just ran through a delve, didn't do the quest, just killed the miniboss and got the skyshard. Used 6 potions. Gonna pass on this.
4) Switch to spell power and use entropy instead. This is probably what I'll end up doing if I want to salvage this build, but I lose out on the balanced warrior bonus. Then I'll probably just drop dual wield on this build entirely, since the only other skill I use is rending slashes, which isn't all that useful for me.

Anyway, please bring back the instant ranged major brutality on this skill.

omg I am EXACTLY in the same situation.

I am trying to play a hybrid character and using pelinal's aptitude set and new flying blade doesn't allow me to open with brutality or stealthy attack. And I have Dreugh King weapons which feel like a waste and looking at making potions which is so expensive.

Now I wonder how many of us are out there that are going to get screwed by the new flying blade.

Theignson

Red_Feather wrote: »

EatYourVegetables wrote: »

This change gets the ಠ_ಠ from me. The lack of instant major brutality kind of kills this skill. I've tested it out quite a bit on PTS and also played on live for comparison, and live is just better.

I run an off meta pelinal's build on my templar with dual wield. Its pretty fun on live, but it relies on the immediate brutality from hidden blade as a ranged opener to get damage. So basically this skill is getting dropped from the build. I've theorycrafted various ways to fix it after this fix goes in, and they all stink:
1) Use dreugh king. But then I'm stuck with that forever on this build, which is lame since I sometimes experiment with other sets on pelinals builds.
2) Potions. Ingredients right now are 36g for lorkhan's tears, 67g for dragonthorn, and 46g for stinkhorn to makes the cheapest possible brutality potion (oh and also applies fracture you but ignore that for now). 4 potions a pop means about 37g per potion use. Figure 1.5 fights on average per potion use for various trash mobs etc. So thats 370g per 15 fights...just ran through a delve, didn't do the quest, just killed the miniboss and got the skyshard. Used 6 potions. Gonna pass on this.
4) Switch to spell power and use entropy instead. This is probably what I'll end up doing if I want to salvage this build, but I lose out on the balanced warrior bonus. Then I'll probably just drop dual wield on this build entirely, since the only other skill I use is rending slashes, which isn't all that useful for me.

Anyway, please bring back the instant ranged major brutality on this skill.

omg I am EXACTLY in the same situation.

I am trying to play a hybrid character and using pelinal's aptitude set and new flying blade doesn't allow me to open with brutality or stealthy attack. And I have Dreugh King weapons which feel like a waste and looking at making potions which is so expensive.

Now I wonder how many of us are out there that are going to get screwed by the new flying blade.

Yes one of my builds uses dual wield and uses flying blade as the source of major brutality-- this build is screwed. It also used to be my source of snare, but was nerfed; I adjusted to that...but you have to have major brutality, and all this weird second cast stuff is awful.
Just leave it as it was.

Gilvoth

give a stamina cost to jumping and the enemy wont be "airborn" as often.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@EatYourVegetables ran through a delve, didn't do the quest, just killed the miniboss and got the skyshard.

you do not need any major buffs for overland pve. only times you really need them is in boss fight in dungeons. if you even need to swap bars for overland pve, you need to rethink your build.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Red_Feather wrote: »

Now I wonder how many of us are out there that are going to get screwed by the new flying blade.

A lot of us....

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

from latest patch notes- Hidden Blade and its morphs will receive some adjustments to how Brutality is granted, and Flying Blade will get a targeting responsiveness improvement to activate its special teleport. This change will be in a future PTS patch.
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As always they never listen to us, they are just doubling down on the change.....

Dashmatt

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

from latest patch notes- Hidden Blade and its morphs will receive some adjustments to how Brutality is granted, and Flying Blade will get a targeting responsiveness improvement to activate its special teleport. This change will be in a future PTS patch.
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As always they never listen to us, they are just doubling down on the change.....

I mean, it sounds like they did kind of listen to the feedback that wasn’t just “leave it alone.” What I heard was that the Brutality buff had too many steps, and the teleport was clunky. This addresses both of those things. Whether or not they are good enough is TBD.

EatYourVegetables

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@EatYourVegetables ran through a delve, didn't do the quest, just killed the miniboss and got the skyshard.

you do not need any major buffs for overland pve. only times you really need them is in boss fight in dungeons. if you even need to swap bars for overland pve, you need to rethink your build.

As I mentioned this in an "off-meta" build and I did the delve test just to see the potion consumption from continuous fighting, not because I needed it. I wouldn't do that in normal overland stuff, but that also amounts to saying I'll won't usually have brutality on this build without a bar swap (probably to 2H) which as you say I shouldn't need. I do solo dungeons and world bosses, though, and major brutality is useful there.

Sorc, DK, Nightblade, Warden don't have to pop potions all the time to get this buff - which is another annoying thing about this change, it affects Templar and Necro a lot more strongly than the others. Arguably all the classes should have built-in access to this buff.

Red_Feather

Thank you ZoS for trying to make it work. I like the idea behind it. I like the interrupt morph and teleport morphs.