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Get rid of Major Evasion from Momentum
Strider__Roshin
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Major Evasion has become very redundant in this game. Want to give the 2H something other than a HoT? How about one of the following:
1. Minor Endurance
2. Minor Force
3. Major Savagery
Giving it Major Evasion is pretty unnecessary since we can get it from shuffle which should be the desired source of Major Evasion for stamina builds.
1. Minor Endurance
2. Minor Force
3. Major Savagery
Giving it Major Evasion is pretty unnecessary since we can get it from shuffle which should be the desired source of Major Evasion for stamina builds.
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✭Major Evasion has become very redundant in this game. Want to give the 2H something other than a HoT? How about one of the following:
1. Minor Endurance
2. Minor Force
3. Major Savagery
Giving it Major Evasion is pretty unnecessary since we can get it from shuffle which should be the desired source of Major Evasion for stamina builds.
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✭✭Major Brutality + Snare immunity or burst heal is already quite enough to make everyone want to slot this skill. They should have just halved the HoT to save the headache. Or give the Minor Fortitude to make it somewhat unique ability instead of this second shuffle.4 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭I also don’t like that evasion is tied to countless abilities by now where it was a niche buffs earlier on. Maybe this is a reaction to the insane aoe buffs last patch but this should not be the way to go2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree. Its really redundant on medium who would now take rally for the heal and use shuffle for root and snare. Makes this just a straight buff to heavy. They already changed shuffle to require medium armor in order to get evasion off heavy outside of NB and dual wield. With this change, every stam who is not braindead will have evasion2 -
ThePainGuy✭✭✭Minor savagery maybe. What are the sources of minor savagery in the game? Potions...0
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Aedrion✭✭✭✭✭Agreed, but not for the same reasons you mention.
Two-handed weapons are designed for single target fights. In PvP, they see use in smallscale and Bg's, where Dizzying Swing and Executioner permit one to quickly rip down a target. Major Evasion feels not only out of place on something called 'Forward Momentum', it also doesn't feel right for two-handed skill line. Two-handed brawlers aren't evasive.
In PvE, users of two-handed weapons, if they want evasion, will use Shuffle for that since as dd, they'll be wearing medium.
The heal over time actually offered exactly what two-handed needed, staying power. The ability to stay in the fight over prolonged duels or fights.
Now, I understand ZoS means to limit healing, good. But then Momentum needs something other than Evasion, which turns it into a poor man's Shuffle. Minor Protection? Minor Vitality? Maybe Minor lifesteal on targets you hit, get health back from dealing damage. Minor or major Savagery?
Hopefully this skill will get another pass in the weeks ahead, because I promise you, if this goes live, nobody will slot this skill.0 -
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✭Sounds like somebody's trying to pump the market prices for Grace of Gloom pieces
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭ThePainGuy wrote: »Minor savagery maybe. What are the sources of minor savagery in the game? Potions...
throught nightblade. minor buffs are (almost) exclusively accessible through class passives - kinda clever to encourage inter class groups0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka insteadEdited by Lord_Eomer on July 14, 2019 8:58PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.5 -
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✭✭Agree wholeheartedly. Not Minor Foritude though, that’s an absolute waste and I can’t believe someone would offer that idiotic option.1 -
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It really shouldnt need another buff of any sort major brutality an snare removal or major brutality and burst heal. Asking for more is just gonna make us OP in some peoples eyes an theyll nerf us next time round but worse off then we are meowAgree wholeheartedly. Not Minor Foritude though, that’s an absolute waste and I can’t believe someone would offer that idiotic option.
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Minor Endurance for the duration
Minor heroism for the first 5-10 secs
Minor vitality for the first 5-10 sec
Minor Protection for 5 sec after, if you let it run the full duration to make up for it being reset.
Minor Fortitude for 10 sec
Minor Expedition for 5 secs if it runs full duration so you can run away from dmg when u dont have a burst heal primed!
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We lost a hot for the full duration, why should a replacemeant be only for 5-8 seconds ? That would be an annoying nerf.
[/quote]ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »Thats a good point. Ill be honest I was thinking more from the perspective of Rally since Ive never used Forward Momentum.
For FM any of the solutions could apply the buff after the duration of snare immunity, Cast it once you get 4 sec of snare immunity and then the 5-10 sec minor buff (in the case of full duration run-out buffs) that will give you access to the buff. Recasting the ability removes any minor buffs earned an replaced them with the snare immunity so on an so forth. That way your not looking at 100% uptimes but thoughtful buff management. For rally run-out buffs you can recast without losing the buff because you waited 20 secs for it and it would be pointless to get a buff but only if you don't prime your burst heal.
"Do I want snare immunity right now or do I want minor protection?"
"Do I want minor protection in 3 seconds or do I want my heal right NOW!"
That kinda stuff makes me happy!Edited by ProzTh3Almighty on July 15, 2019 12:02AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Minor vitality or minor protection suggestions , i like it. Well...anything,but major evasion.
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✭✭Major evasion being made so readily available via an already ubiquitous skill further entrenches the heavy armour meta.
So of course Zos are thinking about it.
If this goes live they will be confirmed poop for brains.
And with a buff to executioner....
Buff executioner, buff vigor, buff forward momentum. 2h tanks errywhere...Pact Magplar - Max CP (NA XB)1 -
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✭ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »It really shouldnt need another buff of any sort major brutality an snare removal or major brutality and burst heal. Asking for more is just gonna make us OP in some peoples eyes an theyll nerf us next time round but worse off then we are meow
Then why use it then though? 4 sec snare immunity and major brutality (a buff that some get for free) compared to shuffle that gives major evasion, 1-2 seconds more snare immunity and major expedition. Seems unbalanced imo.
Edited by Crixus8000 on July 15, 2019 12:40AM0 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
That suggestion is horrible and I don’t think any good unbiased player would want it over any of the other selections. I’d rather not have anything then them give us that over major evasion. And this is coming from someone who’s likely to run the new food food with seventh and steed mundus next patch.Edited by templesus on July 15, 2019 1:25AM1 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
We are getting a ridiculous buff to self-healing in general though. The ability in itself is quite powerful, don't expect a change which is a significant buff. At least, Minor Fortitude is unique and retains the healing nature of Momentum.0 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
We are getting a ridiculous buff to self-healing in general though. The ability in itself is quite powerful, don't expect a change which is a significant buff. At least, Minor Fortitude is unique and retains the healing nature of Momentum.
It buffs the already prevalent heavy meta. Most would consider that to be bad.1 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
We are getting a ridiculous buff to self-healing in general though. The ability in itself is quite powerful, don't expect a change which is a significant buff. At least, Minor Fortitude is unique and retains the healing nature of Momentum.
It buffs the already prevalent heavy meta. Most would consider that to be bad.
If you think about it, it would be redundant in heavy armor as heavy already has ridiculously high health regen modifier. On a 4k health regen medium armor build(buffed), it gives slightly over 200 health regen. However on 4k health regen heavy armor build(buffed), it is lesser than 160 health regen. Not really overpowered and you won't even notice it on regular builds.
Keep in mind, health regen is not really the best stat and apart from Troll King, you give up a lot to gain advantage from it.0 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
We are getting a ridiculous buff to self-healing in general though. The ability in itself is quite powerful, don't expect a change which is a significant buff. At least, Minor Fortitude is unique and retains the healing nature of Momentum.
It buffs the already prevalent heavy meta. Most would consider that to be bad.
If you think about it, it would be redundant in heavy armor as heavy already has ridiculously high health regen modifier. On a 4k health regen medium armor build(buffed), it gives slightly over 200 health regen. However on 4k health regen heavy armor build(buffed), it is lesser than 160 health regen. Not really overpowered and you won't even notice it on regular builds.
Keep in mind, health regen is not really the best stat and apart from Troll King, you give up a lot to gain advantage from it.
Minor fortitude is a horrible idea, period. Pointless to argue, the discrepancy between major evasion and minor fortitude is massive.1 -
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So it’s not a waste if you wear one of two sets...which are two of roughly 20+ other sets...so 90% of the time it’s a waste.
We are getting a ridiculous buff to self-healing in general though. The ability in itself is quite powerful, don't expect a change which is a significant buff. At least, Minor Fortitude is unique and retains the healing nature of Momentum.
It buffs the already prevalent heavy meta. Most would consider that to be bad.
If you think about it, it would be redundant in heavy armor as heavy already has ridiculously high health regen modifier. On a 4k health regen medium armor build(buffed), it gives slightly over 200 health regen. However on 4k health regen heavy armor build(buffed), it is lesser than 160 health regen. Not really overpowered and you won't even notice it on regular builds.
Keep in mind, health regen is not really the best stat and apart from Troll King, you give up a lot to gain advantage from it.
Minor fortitude is a horrible idea, period. Pointless to argue, the discrepancy between major evasion and minor fortitude is massive.
I am not really disagreeing with you. My point is anything is better than nothing and we have tons of sources of major evasion, which makes it useless anyways. I don't expect ZOS to give a powerful but rare buff. Minor Fortitude has no real source and is not really powerful, so it can fill the gap.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Theres already a precedent for minor heroism on the stam weapon lines, and that one makes sense on the 2H. Much moreso than a mitigation buff.0 -
SupremeRissole✭✭✭✭The 2nd Shuffle is silly and inconsistent with U22 how devs didnt want skills double tapping (ref: Surprise Attack and Piercing Mark both giving fracture so they stripped it from SA)1
