Ice Furnace Thank you

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

It’s been a long time coming but the weapon damage was finally changed to spell damage I have been waiting to remove my Frostblade since literally year one may even try it out on my Warden. Big thank you guys for not over looking this set this time around.

I had literally restarted my ESO+ after seeing this.

Jeezye

Well the set is still niche but I have alway glimpsed on it and will def give it a try

darkblue5

Pretty sure this is a joke as the 5 piece is still amazingly trashy. Frost direct damage (when spammables will actually be the only source of that) for not even a 1k proc is so bad .

gamerbunny9910_ESO

darkblue5 wrote: »

Pretty sure this is a joke as the 5 piece is still amazingly trashy. Frost direct damage (when spammables will actually be the only source of that) for not even a 1k proc is so bad .

Well, not the ONLY source, but it's still pretty bad. If you have an infused frost staff with a frost glyph on your backbar with wall, and a frost staff with an infused frost glyph on your front bar as well, and LA weave between each ability, that's 3 sources of direct damage going off fairly constantly, plus fource pulse when you're spamming.... but that's a lot of work for a grand total of....... 1k dps.

I'm just gonna continue using Winterborn on my ice warden. Lol

Mettaricana

Swear that set only gets looked at because it has frost in the name...

Merlight

gamerbunny9910_ESO wrote: »

... frost glyph on your backbar ... frost glyph on your front bar as well, ...

They have separate cooldowns?

Jeezye

ohhh I didn't remember the set has a 1 sec internal CD and only procs on direct damage. well thats super unfortunate...

MartiniDaniels

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

gamerbunny9910_ESO

Merlight wrote: »

gamerbunny9910_ESO wrote: »

... frost glyph on your backbar ... frost glyph on your front bar as well, ...

They have separate cooldowns?

I'm not sure, I've never run the same glyph on both weapons because it is usually not worth it lol, I was just trying to think of a hypothetical that could get the most out of the set. The most being slightly over 1k dps. Which is unfortunate for a set with a fairly cool theme.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Jeezye wrote: »

Well the set is still niche but I have alway glimpsed on it and will def give it a try

darkblue5 wrote: »

Pretty sure this is a joke as the 5 piece is still amazingly trashy. Frost direct damage (when spammables will actually be the only source of that) for not even a 1k proc is so bad .

True the set is very niche but so is the build I'm going for. This is not a joke I really love this set. I'm a huge fan of Cyromage build's and Niche builds in general. I really did end my ESO+ cause of the game's nerfs but seeing my very first niche set finally getting the one stat change it needed was awesome. Side note I started the game in Beta as an Argonian Archer and when I wanted to try a magic build I made a Nightblade Cyromage. This set was part of my very first of my theory crafted builds.

This game has just been over buffs and heavy nerfs to see them caring about not only the elite min/max sets and the FOTM Meta but giving all sets a second look to see if they even make sense with the current path/state of the game it's a sign that they are finally getting into a groove.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

If you have an infused frost staff with a frost glyph on your backbar with wall,

sorry to tell you, this counts as a a damage over time, enchants inherit the time of damage they proced from. see more here-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-8TfpAu9lY

gamerbunny9910_ESO wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

gamerbunny9910_ESO wrote: »

... frost glyph on your backbar ... frost glyph on your front bar as well, ...

They have separate cooldowns?

I'm not sure, I've never run the same glyph on both weapons because it is usually not worth it lol, I was just trying to think of a hypothetical that could get the most out of the set. The most being slightly over 1k dps. Which is unfortunate for a set with a fairly cool theme.

enchants do not have separate cooldowns, if you have the same enchant on both bars, they share a cooldown.


the best way to use this set is with a front bar ice staff, for the light attacks, infused ice enchant on it, destructive reach, reaches first hit is has initial direct damage and element ring for aoe, which is aoe direct damage.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

I didn't use it now the weapon damage buff on a magic set stop making sense after the first year. Now I have tried to make it work here and there but that buff was just so bad. I think people really forget that some players are not chasing the very highest stats. You can have a lot of fun on a niche build. At the same time everyone and there mother will not know what you have on your bar or how you will player.

Honesty you have like what 2 flex slots at best for most builds cause of buffs you "need" that's just tiresome. To have a high percentage of players running the same sets with the same bars and maybe a different flex, but even then the flex is this power or that power. It's nice to walk off the beaten path. I have won fights in "trash" set and top tier sets it's fun seeing a guy using counter to what he thinks you're going to do then hitting them from left field.

MartiniDaniels

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

I didn't use it now the weapon damage buff on a magic set stop making sense after the first year. Now I have tried to make it work here and there but that buff was just so bad. I think people really forget that some players are not chasing the very highest stats. You can have a lot of fun on a niche build. At the same time everyone and there mother will not know what you have on your bar or how you will player.

Honesty you have like what 2 flex slots at best for most builds cause of buffs you "need" that's just tiresome. To have a high percentage of players running the same sets with the same bars and maybe a different flex, but even then the flex is this power or that power. It's nice to walk off the beaten path. I have won fights in "trash" set and top tier sets it's fun seeing a guy using counter to what he thinks you're going to do then hitting them from left field.

Well, I'm always for any non-meta setups even if they are slightly weaker then meta, but have interesting animations/gameplay.. but this set has so underwhelming description of 5th set bonus.. it's like a +500 aoe dps at average? So far I can see it's only use as aggro-grabber of dungeon-level magicka tank. (8 meter radius is HUGE)
Maybe a big zerg in PVP with everybody in this set and ice staves, can aoe smash other zerg with it

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

I didn't use it now the weapon damage buff on a magic set stop making sense after the first year. Now I have tried to make it work here and there but that buff was just so bad. I think people really forget that some players are not chasing the very highest stats. You can have a lot of fun on a niche build. At the same time everyone and there mother will not know what you have on your bar or how you will player.

Honesty you have like what 2 flex slots at best for most builds cause of buffs you "need" that's just tiresome. To have a high percentage of players running the same sets with the same bars and maybe a different flex, but even then the flex is this power or that power. It's nice to walk off the beaten path. I have won fights in "trash" set and top tier sets it's fun seeing a guy using counter to what he thinks you're going to do then hitting them from left field.

Well, I'm always for any non-meta setups even if they are slightly weaker then meta, but have interesting animations/gameplay.. but this set has so underwhelming description of 5th set bonus.. it's like a +500 aoe dps at average? So far I can see it's only use as aggro-grabber of dungeon-level magicka tank. (8 meter radius is HUGE)
Maybe a big zerg in PVP with everybody in this set and ice staves, can aoe smash other zerg with it

I’m not sure how this plays out in PvE I’m purely PvP I dusted the set off when Warden was released and I would lock like half of a Zerg ball down. The builds I have used this set with are more snares and immobilize groups to keep them in AoEs for as long as possible and it works pretty well for that.

Besides after this change maybe it will get a damage buff somewhere down the road. This could just be the first step.

Peacatcher

Totally missed this in the patch notes. I bought the rings from the Golden a couple of weeks ago in the hope that the set might be adjusted sometime will be giving it a try if the changes go live.

stritzi

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

I didn't use it now the weapon damage buff on a magic set stop making sense after the first year. Now I have tried to make it work here and there but that buff was just so bad. I think people really forget that some players are not chasing the very highest stats. You can have a lot of fun on a niche build. At the same time everyone and there mother will not know what you have on your bar or how you will player.

Honesty you have like what 2 flex slots at best for most builds cause of buffs you "need" that's just tiresome. To have a high percentage of players running the same sets with the same bars and maybe a different flex, but even then the flex is this power or that power. It's nice to walk off the beaten path. I have won fights in "trash" set and top tier sets it's fun seeing a guy using counter to what he thinks you're going to do then hitting them from left field.

Well, I'm always for any non-meta setups even if they are slightly weaker then meta, but have interesting animations/gameplay.. but this set has so underwhelming description of 5th set bonus.. it's like a +500 aoe dps at average? So far I can see it's only use as aggro-grabber of dungeon-level magicka tank. (8 meter radius is HUGE)
Maybe a big zerg in PVP with everybody in this set and ice staves, can aoe smash other zerg with it

I’m not sure how this plays out in PvE I’m purely PvP I dusted the set off when Warden was released and I would lock like half of a Zerg ball down. The builds I have used this set with are more snares and immobilize groups to keep them in AoEs for as long as possible and it works pretty well for that.

Besides after this change maybe it will get a damage buff somewhere down the road. This could just be the first step.

How? wasnt there a cooldown yet?

Zer0oo

WE FINALLY CAN ALL SLEEP WELL NOW

gamerbunny9910_ESO

Honestly either upping the damage or lowering the chance but removing the cooldown would make this set a lot better imo. Although it would be really nice if it was ANY damage like Winterborn.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

stritzi wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Nerf or buff trash set and somebody will emerge on forum who actually main-use that set

I didn't use it now the weapon damage buff on a magic set stop making sense after the first year. Now I have tried to make it work here and there but that buff was just so bad. I think people really forget that some players are not chasing the very highest stats. You can have a lot of fun on a niche build. At the same time everyone and there mother will not know what you have on your bar or how you will player.

Honesty you have like what 2 flex slots at best for most builds cause of buffs you "need" that's just tiresome. To have a high percentage of players running the same sets with the same bars and maybe a different flex, but even then the flex is this power or that power. It's nice to walk off the beaten path. I have won fights in "trash" set and top tier sets it's fun seeing a guy using counter to what he thinks you're going to do then hitting them from left field.

Well, I'm always for any non-meta setups even if they are slightly weaker then meta, but have interesting animations/gameplay.. but this set has so underwhelming description of 5th set bonus.. it's like a +500 aoe dps at average? So far I can see it's only use as aggro-grabber of dungeon-level magicka tank. (8 meter radius is HUGE)
Maybe a big zerg in PVP with everybody in this set and ice staves, can aoe smash other zerg with it

I’m not sure how this plays out in PvE I’m purely PvP I dusted the set off when Warden was released and I would lock like half of a Zerg ball down. The builds I have used this set with are more snares and immobilize groups to keep them in AoEs for as long as possible and it works pretty well for that.

Besides after this change maybe it will get a damage buff somewhere down the road. This could just be the first step.

How? wasnt there a cooldown yet?

Yes but it’s an AoE with the flag stacking or chock points you can hit like 9-12 people per proc.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

gamerbunny9910_ESO wrote: »

Honestly either upping the damage or lowering the chance but removing the cooldown would make this set a lot better imo. Although it would be really nice if it was ANY damage like Winterborn.

That’s my hope that it will be buffed I take this change as a sign they are at lease making the other sets more useable

Zekka

Mettaricana wrote: »

Swear that set only gets looked at because it has frost in the name...

It shows how starved for ice dps sets players are, Icy Conjuror being more of a PvP set due its proc condition.
Anyways, Ice Furnace would need to lose both the cooldown and the direct damage condition for it to become a decent set.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Zekka wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Swear that set only gets looked at because it has frost in the name...

It shows how starved for ice dps sets players are, Icy Conjuror being more of a PvP set due its proc condition.
Anyways, Ice Furnace would need to lose both the cooldown and the direct damage condition for it to become a decent set.

If can good number on Frost DPS players ask for it there is a chance.