psychotrip wrote: »
First link doesnt really prove anything. No one is denying that all elven languages are related. Ayleid and Altmeri appear nearly identical, far moreso than any other elven language. The same goes for their architecture. No two elven races are closer. Many of their ruins are literally identical.
The wild elves is really the only piece of evidence you have, and the book itself was written before elven lore really solidified. Fun fact: the original version of that book calls bosmer "boiche", high elves "salache" and dark elves "moriche". Because the book was written in Daggerfall, before the lore was really finished.
That honestly might explain the disconnect here. Maybe ORIGINALLY they were a separate race, then from Morrowind to Skyrim they were Altmer, and then when ESO came out they went back to being separate?
We have several explicit pieces of evidence that says they are high elves, including Bethesda themselves saying that in a loading screen. In addition we have several more pieces of implied evidence, which while admittedly weaker add up and reinforce the explicit references. It's all a pattern, and its all implying the same thing over and over again.
Again, just look at the volume of evidence we listed compared to yours.
You really havent addressed the fact that Bethesda themselves have said this in an Oblivion loading screen. How can you deny that? Bethesda said they were high elves.
And it honestly feels like a cop out to ignore the Ayleid revivalist stuff. Sure its POSSIBLE that these Altmer are not related at all to Ayleids, but that makes their role in the lore much weaker. It makes much more narrative sense for them to feel personally connected to the Ayleids and want to revive their culture. The alternative would be like if a bunch of Germans wanted to revive ancient Egypt. Sure it's POSSIBLE for them to want to do that, but kind of strange and not very compelling from a storytelling perspective.
In fact, here's what Umbacano himself says:
Umbacano calls the Ayleids his people. Plain as day.
This isnt about head canon. Everyone knows Ayleids arent Altmer ANYMORE. ESO retconned all that. We're just acknowledging what was explicitly told to us.
Edit: Oh and another piece of "soft" evidence: where did the ayleids go? They didn't all just get exterminated one day. Books claim there are small tribes hiding in Cyrodiil but clearly there's not many. Didn't most of them end up assimilating into the Direnni? The Direnni are high elves. The two groups merged pretty seamlessly, implying they're the same race. Zenimax also claimed the ruins we see in Auridon are Ayleid. They later retconned this but it implies that even THEY believed they were the same race with a different culture.
Again literally nothing you said backs up anything you've said at all. Even if the ayleids were intended to be another race of high elves pre eso pre eso lore also says they were wiped out long before that so regardless the suprmis would not be an ayleid. Either it's a high elf claiming to be a decednat meaning it wouldn't matter if they were high elves or not or he's a crazy person that considers them his people because he is mer. Either way it doesn't help and the languages aren't identical either you can read it your self. It seems like you are grasping at straws to try to help your own argument. And I did address the bethesida loading screen. Itbdoesntbrelatr them to summersrt at all. Also no you haven't listened multiple lore books of anything that is a bold face lie that is plain as day you listened absinge lore book that contradicts multiple other things and doesn't over right any more books or the pocket guides. This argument is just denial at best now.