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Solar Flare and Snipe discrepancy
josh.lackey_ESO
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I don't understand where there is a discrepancy here.
Last patch:
Snipe was nerfed by 25%
Solar Flare was nerfed 37%
This patch:
Snipe buffed 9%
Solar Flare buffed only 4%
Is there an underlying normalization rule that all stam abilities have to not only be 15% cheaper, but be 15% more effective?
Last patch:
Snipe was nerfed by 25%
Solar Flare was nerfed 37%
This patch:
Snipe buffed 9%
Solar Flare buffed only 4%
Is there an underlying normalization rule that all stam abilities have to not only be 15% cheaper, but be 15% more effective?
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RiskyChalice863✭✭✭I don’t think they started from the same point in terms of damage though. At least anecdotally, Dark Flare used to do extremely high damage, much higher than Snipe ever did for me.1 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭The damage on the ability is no longer worth the cast time, Dflare is is unusable as a range spammable or a burstcombo piece since the nerf.
AoE defile is strong in group play though.
Looking at the recent skill audit, ZoS might be best off lowering the damage even more and labeling Dflare as a “utility skill”, maybe alongside a removal of the cast time.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
Every attack gives free stun from stealth, if used by NB due to a NB passive.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
AoE Major Defile. Major Defile is the strongest debuff in PvP.2 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most classes that use snipe are nightblades. They no longer have minor berserk as a self buff from class abilities. So technically snipe was nerfed 32%.
Still wasnt nerfed as hard as dark flare. Was darkflare hitting ubserd levels of damage? Perhaps other class passives/buffs were increasing it too much?
Edit: darkflare still applies major defile and Grant's empower so that's why I guess.
Edited by Dr_Ganknstein on July 12, 2019 7:50PM2 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Name a single "utility" skill that has a cast time.
Solar Flare is rarely used in PvP because the cast time makes it hard to successfully cast. People can get away with using snipe because it's most often used from stealth.0 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
AoE Major Defile. Major Defile is the strongest debuff in PvP.
Vulnerability is stronger, arguably Maim, too. Neither of which are on cast time skills.Edited by josh.lackey_ESO on July 12, 2019 8:01PM2 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Most classes that use snipe are nightblades. They no longer have minor berserk as a self buff from class abilities. So technically snipe was nerfed 32%.
Still wasnt nerfed as hard as dark flare. Was darkflare hitting ubserd levels of damage? Perhaps other class passives/buffs were increasing it too much?
Edit: darkflare still applies major defile and Grant's empower so that's why I guess.
They got Minor Vulnerability, which can be even stronger than Minor Berserk because it increases damage from all sources, not just the caster.1 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Most classes that use snipe are nightblades. They no longer have minor berserk as a self buff from class abilities. So technically snipe was nerfed 32%.
Still wasnt nerfed as hard as dark flare. Was darkflare hitting ubserd levels of damage? Perhaps other class passives/buffs were increasing it too much?
Edit: darkflare still applies major defile and Grant's empower so that's why I guess.
They got Minor Vulnerability, which can be even stronger than Minor Berserk because it increases damage from all sources, not just the caster.
It can't applied from range. Also NBs are supposed to have the highest burst damage in the game.0 -
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I was talking about the stun and Minor Vulnerability. Both are NB only.josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »0 -
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✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
Every attack gives free stun from stealth, if used by NB due to a NB passive.
Not on Magic NB only Concealed Weapon0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
Every attack gives free stun from stealth, if used by NB due to a NB passive.
Not on Magic NB only Concealed Weapon
NB attacks stun from stealth, not Cloak. It is the first Assassination passive.0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Name a single "utility" skill that has a cast time.
Dark Exchange, Time Stop, Channeled Acceleration.2 -
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✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
Every attack gives free stun from stealth, if used by NB due to a NB passive.
Not on Magic NB only Concealed Weapon
NB attacks stun from stealth, not Cloak. It is the first Assassination passive.
it just makes the stun last longer. anyone from stealth can stun5 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dark Flare had a much higher tool tip to begin with. Dark Flare retained AOE Major Defile. Dark Flare has empower.
They are not the same skill. They are not balanced the same. The only thing keeping Snipe "relevant" is NB gankers which is why you see people bringing up how Snipe interacts with NBs.
Don't worry every non NB has the same complaints. Cast time skills got gutted.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Name a single "utility" skill that has a cast time.
Dark Exchange, Time Stop, Channeled Acceleration.
Time Stop has an instant cast morph.
Channeled Acceleration is a morph that adds a cast time to a base ability that doesn't have one. Try again. You are just proving my point.
If you want to argue Solar Flare should be balanced against Dark Exchange, I am totally down for that.0 -
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✭✭Lol @ those quoting Dark Flare’s aoe defile. The cast time is too long. It doesn’t get used.2 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Name a single "utility" skill that has a cast time.
Dark Exchange, Time Stop, Channeled Acceleration.
Time Stop has an instant cast morph.
Channeled Acceleration is a morph that adds a cast time to a base ability that doesn't have one. Try again. You are just proving my point.
If you want to argue Solar Flare should be balanced against Dark Exchange, I am totally down for that.
Moving the goal post. Try again.0 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Moving the goal post. Try again.
Two of your skills are available as instant cast (one is base instant cast but you listed morph with a cast time.) Feeble.
I conceded Dark Conversion. You got me there. Let's go with that. I am down to compare the utility of Dark Conversion and Solar Flare.
Goalposts firmly where they started. You try again.1 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
You don't get to cherry pick the data just because you don't like it. They are skills that have a cast time. Therefore they fit your conditions. Borrowed Time is used far more often than Time Freeze. While Channeled Acceleration sees less use since the change to Race Against Time, it's still used plenty. On live there are far more utility skills with a cast time than damage skills.josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
It's a ridiculous comparison. The only thing they have in common is being utility skills with a cast time. They serve completely different purposes. Let's compare Netch with Caltrops, or Rune Focus with Encase.0 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »
@josh.lackey_ESO
every single direct dmg skill stuns when it's casted from stealth. not only snipe. even light and heavy attacks stuns from stealth...0 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭and to all of you the cast time on snipe is exactly the same but it is way too short listening to you whiel DFlare is too long.
another biased, unreliable post.
try to have good infos before arguing please.1
