stamDK single heals changes (Vigor and Rally)

Davadin

just sharing my own personal build with zero changes. Spriggan and 7th. medium armor. only changes i did is slot Volatile Armor into front bar together with my Seventh 2h Axe instead of with Master 2H Axe. yes this is a 2H/2H build.

Now, this isn't exactly fair because in pts I've proc 7th manually so I'm getting the bonus 350 wd for a total of 5380, while in live I'm at 5090 wd. in real combat however, combat log recorded on average 6k+ maximum, but it is a bit of rng because 7th proc with 10% chance only, while new setup i can keep it up 100% of the time.

also Rally in pts is screenshot at the highest possible tick (ran full 20 seconds).

hope i didn't miss any other details?

ps: oh YEAH red champion bar is PTS, blue one is LIVE 🤣
pps: Oooooh yeah also left is at Elswyr, right is at CP Cyrodiil!!

Davadin

some initial thought:

Vigor: in PvE, nearly doubled, in PvP, close to double. but we all know it's coming. same cost tho? edit: hell a LOT cheaper too.
Rally: keeping in mind the purpose of the skill is the 20% wep dmg, i'd argue 1.7k every 2 sec is nicer and 6k after 33 seconds is good..... BUT major evasion is added in, and it is shorter at 20sec.... I mean, come on, 15-18k heals? Yum! (ever so slightly cheaper cost too)


btw, there is a Cauterize screenshot somewhere, but there's no changes I believe.... the thing pops like 5k-ish heals every 5 sec.

ChunkyCat

Insightful.

Insco851

Huge vigor, huge rally, major mending on demand.... totally okay?

Davadin

Insco851 wrote: »

Huge vigor, huge rally, major mending on demand.... totally okay?

sly007

It's a buff to solo play and a nerf to group play. I think this is going to be fine considering that momentum needs to be used 1/3 more often and has not HOT. The cost to momentum has theoretically increased. It is hard to gauge how these changes will hurt stamina groups in pvp. I am guessing most stamina users will use resolving vigor, making it much more difficult to heal their allies.

Insco851

sly007 wrote: »

It's a buff to solo play and a nerf to group play. I think this is going to be fine considering that momentum needs to be used 1/3 more often and has not HOT. The cost to momentum has theoretically increased. It is hard to gauge how these changes will hurt stamina groups in pvp. I am guessing most stamina users will use resolving vigor, making it much more difficult to heal their allies.

Momentum gives a bigger burst heal more often. Add in a 1.85x vigor, (minor mending, major mending, minor vitality, major vitality) .. lingering health pots, health recovery...

Stall play. Zzzz

Nepenthe

Why?! Healing is already so overpowered in Cyrodiil.
Nerfing sources of major defile, the befoul CP, and now this?

Saril_Durzam

With such heals buff, i understand the healers nerf.

In anything but vet dungeons and vet trials, healer role wont be needing if DPS are stamina.

John_Falstaff

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

With such heals buff, i understand the healers nerf.

In anything but vet dungeons and vet trials, healer role wont be needing if DPS are stamina.

As someone who recently ran vet Depths of Malatar with a team of four DDs, I would say that even vet dungeon part there is not a given. ^^ Even now most vet dungeons - DLC included - are 3DD material, and after the update, I think that healers will feel themselves even less needed there.

Davadin

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

With such heals buff, i understand the healers nerf.

In anything but vet dungeons and vet trials, healer role wont be needing if DPS are stamina.

As someone who recently ran vet Depths of Malatar with a team of four DDs, I would say that even vet dungeon part there is not a given. ^^ Even now most vet dungeons - DLC included - are 3DD material, and after the update, I think that healers will feel themselves even less needed there.

i have mixed feeling with this.

on one hand, i felt sad for people who build a healer class with the classic RPG-trinity-class mindset.

on the other, i remembered this game is "play how u want it to play", so it was hinted since the beginning that u should be able to build a self-healing-offtank-damage-dealer however balanced u want it to be... but it was never really that kind of MMO truly.


This patch is probably the first time since this game in BETA that we're finally going clearly into that direction.

Can u play as a healer/tank/DPS? Probably best if u can mix some DPS/heal/tank on it too, but sure you can!

I haven't experienced a pop-locked campaign of CP Cyro or a Vet DLC dungeon in PTS, but I feel like this patch isn't as doomed as some people are saying.

Wuuffyy

Davadin wrote: »

just sharing my own personal build with zero changes. Spriggan and 7th. medium armor. only changes i did is slot Volatile Armor into front bar together with my Seventh 2h Axe instead of with Master 2H Axe. yes this is a 2H/2H build.

Now, this isn't exactly fair because in pts I've proc 7th manually so I'm getting the bonus 350 wd for a total of 5380, while in live I'm at 5090 wd. in real combat however, combat log recorded on average 6k+ maximum, but it is a bit of rng because 7th proc with 10% chance only, while new setup i can keep it up 100% of the time.

also Rally in pts is screenshot at the highest possible tick (ran full 20 seconds).

hope i didn't miss any other details?

ps: oh YEAH red champion bar is PTS, blue one is LIVE 🤣
pps: Oooooh yeah also left is at Elswyr, right is at CP Cyrodiil!!

Vigor after... major mending is 28k lol. Hahah

SkysOutThizeOut

If someone is in heavy add 20% to that. And if someone casts major vitality on you....

Aedaryl

Did the 12% dk healing passives apply?

Urusovite

Davadin wrote: »

just sharing my own personal build with zero changes. Spriggan and 7th. medium armor. only changes i did is slot Volatile Armor into front bar together with my Seventh 2h Axe instead of with Master 2H Axe. yes this is a 2H/2H build.

Now, this isn't exactly fair because in pts I've proc 7th manually so I'm getting the bonus 350 wd for a total of 5380, while in live I'm at 5090 wd. in real combat however, combat log recorded on average 6k+ maximum, but it is a bit of rng because 7th proc with 10% chance only, while new setup i can keep it up 100% of the time.

also Rally in pts is screenshot at the highest possible tick (ran full 20 seconds).

hope i didn't miss any other details?

ps: oh YEAH red champion bar is PTS, blue one is LIVE 🤣
pps: Oooooh yeah also left is at Elswyr, right is at CP Cyrodiil!!

I'd like to know why your vigor on live is so low. In WW hide and BP and slimecraw mine is at 25k on live.

Vortigaunt

This is obviously balanced. Nerf sorc shields some more!

Vapirko

Stam Dks will theoretically be damn near unkillable with major mending and vigor + rally. Even on live that major mending is *** up strong. Other than that we will have to really wait and see how everything pans out. Don't forget that a lot of single target dots got a huge boost. These are massive changes, and its really going to be hard to say until it goes live and we have a bit of time feel it out.

Davadin

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

just sharing my own personal build with zero changes. Spriggan and 7th. medium armor. only changes i did is slot Volatile Armor into front bar together with my Seventh 2h Axe instead of with Master 2H Axe. yes this is a 2H/2H build.

Now, this isn't exactly fair because in pts I've proc 7th manually so I'm getting the bonus 350 wd for a total of 5380, while in live I'm at 5090 wd. in real combat however, combat log recorded on average 6k+ maximum, but it is a bit of rng because 7th proc with 10% chance only, while new setup i can keep it up 100% of the time.

also Rally in pts is screenshot at the highest possible tick (ran full 20 seconds).

hope i didn't miss any other details?

ps: oh YEAH red champion bar is PTS, blue one is LIVE 🤣
pps: Oooooh yeah also left is at Elswyr, right is at CP Cyrodiil!!

Vigor after... major mending is 28k lol. Hahah

no major mending there.....

Urusovite wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

just sharing my own personal build with zero changes. Spriggan and 7th. medium armor. only changes i did is slot Volatile Armor into front bar together with my Seventh 2h Axe instead of with Master 2H Axe. yes this is a 2H/2H build.

Now, this isn't exactly fair because in pts I've proc 7th manually so I'm getting the bonus 350 wd for a total of 5380, while in live I'm at 5090 wd. in real combat however, combat log recorded on average 6k+ maximum, but it is a bit of rng because 7th proc with 10% chance only, while new setup i can keep it up 100% of the time.

also Rally in pts is screenshot at the highest possible tick (ran full 20 seconds).

hope i didn't miss any other details?

ps: oh YEAH red champion bar is PTS, blue one is LIVE 🤣
pps: Oooooh yeah also left is at Elswyr, right is at CP Cyrodiil!!

I'd like to know why your vigor on live is so low. In WW hide and BP and slimecraw mine is at 25k on live.

my build is in my sig. deadly with 7th. The cp may not be accurate but definitely zero point into healing.

Davadin

Vapirko wrote: »

Stam Dks will theoretically be damn near unkillable with major mending and vigor + rally. Even on live that major mending is *** up strong. Other than that we will have to really wait and see how everything pans out. Don't forget that a lot of single target dots got a huge boost. These are massive changes, and its really going to be hard to say until it goes live and we have a bit of time feel it out.

problem is Rally doesn't get the HoT anymore, only the final tick or if u force the skill again. i think.

Davadin

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

If someone is in heavy add 20% to that. And if someone casts major vitality on you....

...and i have zero CP into healing.

katorga

Of course this will only serve to hype up the mob and get DK's healing bonuses nerfed at the last minute.

ecru

Insco851 wrote: »

Huge vigor, huge rally, major mending on demand.... totally okay?

stamdk doesn't get major mending on demand, especially in nocp. spamming fragmented will leave you with zero mag for anything else after a few casts (spiked armor, fossilize, cauterize, etc). the cost of fossilize was increased by like 2k mag so that's another blow to stamdk's mag pool.

Iskiab

ecru wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Huge vigor, huge rally, major mending on demand.... totally okay?

stamdk doesn't get major mending on demand, especially in nocp. spamming fragmented will leave you with zero mag for anything else after a few casts (spiked armor, fossilize, cauterize, etc). the cost of fossilize was increased by like 2k mag so that's another blow to stamdk's mag pool.

Agree 100%. The only class that has easy access to major mending are Wardens, that’s why they’ll make the best stam healers.

Davadin

ecru wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Huge vigor, huge rally, major mending on demand.... totally okay?

stamdk doesn't get major mending on demand, especially in nocp. spamming fragmented will leave you with zero mag for anything else after a few casts (spiked armor, fossilize, cauterize, etc). the cost of fossilize was increased by like 2k mag so that's another blow to stamdk's mag pool.

this. Fossilize is definitely off my bar. I'll risk Dizzying rather than blowing 4k mag a pop... it's insane.

and remember, Rally no longer HoT, it's only 1 big heal at the end. Somebody please confirm.