Why nerf shields again?
jecks33
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Why??? To balance pvp? And what about pve? People will run with 5/6k shields, from 18k pre-nerfmire to 5k post-scalenerf patch. Not a good goal Zos
P.s. pls avoid "but sorcerers....", "cry", "adapt", blablabla....
P.s. pls avoid "but sorcerers....", "cry", "adapt", blablabla....
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KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭Why??? To balance pvp? And what about pve? People will run with 5/6k shields, from 18k pre-nerfmire to 5k post-scalenerf patch. Not a good goal Zos
P.s. pls avoid "but sorcerers....", "cry", "adapt", blablabla....
Do you consider your OP a healthy basis for a debate?
How dare you call for avoiding "adapt/cry more" etc posts when your very post is constructed / formulated
as nothing BUT a "cry post"?Edited by KoultouraS on July 10, 2019 8:44AM11 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭Maybe ZOE would like you to have a shield around 6-5K in PvE and not 18K.Edited by kongkim on July 10, 2019 8:42AM7 -
Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It surprised me also. I thought the last thing they would want to nerf was the sorc shields. They got nerfed to the ground already. They used to be totally OP, and they did need a nerf back before the nerfmire patch, but it was my opinion they took it too far. Now I just cast the shield as a meme mostly. The damn thing pops whenever someone sneezes on me anyway.
So hearing the news that they intended to nerf them further rather perplexed me if I'm quite honest.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In PvE, you won't see a change in shield size as your base value is already over the HP limit.6 -
Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »
Yeah to get that sort of shield you would need a ton of health right? You would need to gimp your magicka by a lot.0 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Either shields get nerfed or dont allow shield stacking
You can thank mag sorcs in pvp. Glad they are getting nerfed
#nerfsorcs7 -
danara✭✭✭If you need shield in pve then l2p. If Sorc shield get nerf to the ground, you still have the Light armor shield1
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✭✭✭✭✭Ive been using ice heart and a shield glyph so i can drop the skill. But i dont do hard engame stuff0 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why??? To balance pvp? And what about pve? People will run with 5/6k shields, from 18k pre-nerfmire to 5k post-scalenerf patch. Not a good goal Zos
P.s. pls avoid "but sorcerers....", "cry", "adapt", blablabla....
We are supposed to do unlimited dodge rolls with our 9k stamina that's zos logic they break pve to balance pvp which is unplayable I don't get it why the *** they don't balance these separately!!2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton4 -
Nitribit✭✭✭"Oh, they are nerfing all classes but mine? Good patch notes. They are nerfing my class? This *** patch notes, I hate everything. Why you do this, Why? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?"
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✭✭They're still fine. As mentioned above the nerf doesn't even affect PvE so don't worry about it.
Also if you have a decent amount of health (17-18k) your shields will be around 9k on live and on the PTS. Also resistance affects damage shields so they can take a hit despite the murkmire nerf.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭Because they were overpowered in both pvp and pve. Deal with it."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you need shield in pve then l2p. If Sorc shield get nerf to the ground, you still have the Light armor shield
Except that's getting nerfed too. And needing a shield on a glass cannon build for VMA/vet trials is not a l2p issue in my opinion. For basic survivablity, stamina have mobility, tanks have health, magicka have shields. Shields were already less effective in PvP as I understand it, so why not just make them even less so and leave PvE alone?PC EU & NA2 -
Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because they were overpowered in both pvp and pve. Deal with it.
How were they OP in PvE though? I'm honestly curious, since anything that hits harder than a skeever takes if off immediately. It needs to be constantly re-cast as part of your rotation, meaning a DPS drop and while none of that matters overland or in normal dungeons, if you don't refresh it continually in VMA, you're dead. Why would it even matter if it was OP in PvE? Did Molag Bal come to forums and whine that he couldn't kill the sorcs?PC EU & NA2 -
danara✭✭✭Ragged_Claw wrote: »If you need shield in pve then l2p. If Sorc shield get nerf to the ground, you still have the Light armor shield
Except that's getting nerfed too. And needing a shield on a glass cannon build for VMA/vet trials is not a l2p issue in my opinion. For basic survivablity, stamina have mobility, tanks have health, magicka have shields. Shields were already less effective in PvP as I understand it, so why not just make them even less so and leave PvE alone?
You can do vMA without shield...
vMA build are supoosed to be différent than usual build (dunjeon/trials)
You have power surge (heal on crit) , ice hearth set, bird pet which is a flash heal, and you still need your shield ?1 -
Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragged_Claw wrote: »If you need shield in pve then l2p. If Sorc shield get nerf to the ground, you still have the Light armor shield
Except that's getting nerfed too. And needing a shield on a glass cannon build for VMA/vet trials is not a l2p issue in my opinion. For basic survivablity, stamina have mobility, tanks have health, magicka have shields. Shields were already less effective in PvP as I understand it, so why not just make them even less so and leave PvE alone?
You can do vMA without shield...
vMA build are supoosed to be différent than usual build (dunjeon/trials)
You have power surge (heal on crit) , ice hearth set, bird pet which is a flash heal, and you still need your shield ?
That's fair, but yes I do need it, maybe I'm just not as good as you. Also it's part of the toolkit, so why not use it?PC EU & NA1 -
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✭✭✭✭In pve, you’ll be fine. Hardened Ward and Dampen Magicka will still be at 50% health, and the others at 40%. Think it’s just a pvp nerf."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power3 -
Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »In pve, you’ll be fine. Hardened Ward and Dampen Magicka will still be at 50% health, and the others at 40%. Think it’s just a pvp nerf.
That's a relief to hear, thank you! My squishy sorc can live to fight another day
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danara✭✭✭@Ragged_Claw
I assure you, the nerf will be minime in pve cause it is still caped at 50% of your life
It is in pvp where People have 30k health that the nerf will be seen
Dont worry it will change nothing i think, but i also get your point and i dont want to be mean
Plus, we still have some weeks on pts before they launch it on live, so perhaps they will change their mind and adjust the nerf
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No worries, I didn't realise that PvE would be unaffected. Thanks for letting me know
I don't really know why I was worried, I could have all the shields in the world and I'd die anyway PC EU & NA0 -
kromegas✭✭✭OP...lol...
Meanwhile a Stam build runs around with 5500 weapon damage and 35k resistances in heavy armor.
(Not salty, I play both Stam and Magicka classes)2 -
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✭✭✭really just wish they would revert this and nerfmire and go to a major minor system for shields like they should have in the first placeEdited by ezio45 on July 10, 2019 3:03PM0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Because....
Nerf SorcPC - EU:
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Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
Your-Ex - AD MagBlade0
