So when class change tokens coming?

Tandor

Kikke wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

That's why they're selling individual skill lines now. Why do the reasonable thing when you can milk your customers instead?

In fairness, that's what people asked for, and while they thought they were entitled to it all being provided account-wide for free it was very clear that such things would only ever be made available - if at all - through the Crown Store. Personally I'd have preferred that ZOS hadn't caved in at all but at least this way it's generating some additional revenue for the game as well as rebuffing all those who feel they're entitled to have everything in life handed to them for free.

The game is already milking enough money out of it's users. They have NO need for extra revenue FOR THIS GAME.

But milking money out of ESO for their future in development game.. Yaaah, can see that.

I'll buy that argument, provided you can (a) confirm and substantiate the current revenue and costs for this game, and (b) confirm and substantiate the amount of the excess revenue over and above a reasonable operating profit they're making under (a) that is being invested in their other game development.

AlnilamE

Kikke wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

That's why they're selling individual skill lines now. Why do the reasonable thing when you can milk your customers instead?

In fairness, that's what people asked for, and while they thought they were entitled to it all being provided account-wide for free it was very clear that such things would only ever be made available - if at all - through the Crown Store. Personally I'd have preferred that ZOS hadn't caved in at all but at least this way it's generating some additional revenue for the game as well as rebuffing all those who feel they're entitled to have everything in life handed to them for free.

The game is already milking enough money out of it's users. They have NO need for extra revenue FOR THIS GAME.

But milking money out of ESO for their future in development game.. Yaaah, can see that.

Well, you can use the crowns you get from the subscription to buy stuff in the crown store. So just a bit of patience and you won't spend any more money than you already are.

SirAxen

Kikke wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

That's why they're selling individual skill lines now. Why do the reasonable thing when you can milk your customers instead?

In fairness, that's what people asked for, and while they thought they were entitled to it all being provided account-wide for free it was very clear that such things would only ever be made available - if at all - through the Crown Store. Personally I'd have preferred that ZOS hadn't caved in at all but at least this way it's generating some additional revenue for the game as well as rebuffing all those who feel they're entitled to have everything in life handed to them for free.

The game is already milking enough money out of it's users. They have NO need for extra revenue FOR THIS GAME.

But milking money out of ESO for their future in development game.. Yaaah, can see that.

ZOS is a company. They are a business that it is in the business of developing content for an always live game. They exist, to provide a product and make money. Shocker, stuff is up for sale at this companies store.

Jamdarius

If Breton Hero could change class than I hope we someday could do the same, however not for my sake, no matter what they do I will still main magDK but for the sake of all other players that always wanted to main necromancer but they had 2 many achievs on their main to even bother doing everything from scratch (at least I assume that is the reason cause I do not bother doing everything from scratch due to how limited my gaming time is).

ManwithBeard9

Ri_Khan wrote: »

After they decided to sell skyshards and the recently announced skill-lines, I'm convinced they aren't doing class changes due to technical reasons.

It was always a money issue. They see it as cost prohibitive for dev time. Meaning it would cost too much and take away too many resources that could be used for other projects compared to projected ROI for class change purchases.

Megatto

Been wanting class change for years now and I've given up. They're never going to add it

majulook

They said a couple of times in an ESO Live, that they cannot do a class change. They did not get very specific but they were adamant that it could not be done.

IMHO its probably the only thing that cannot be changed, otherwise they would have done it and charged several thousand crowns for it.

Cortimi

Sephyr wrote: »

What about staff change tokens?

Savage! I approve

Banana

Hopefully soon.

corpseblade

Now that they are selling additonal character slots; every skyshard in the game; and skill lines, what incentive is there to sell class change tokens? We don't know the skill lines costs yet so we can't even begin to guesstimate how much class change tokens would have to cost to match the price of a new alt plus progression they have added or are adding to the crown store.

Zos has said it is not technically feasible. I will take them at their word although it just may not be worth the time or economically feasible in their judgment.

Does anyone think that other previously earned achievements will be purchaseable soon (e.g. master angler, etc)? I assume skyshards and skill lines purchased in the crown store get the associated achievement on that alt. Would other achievements be qualitatively different?

barney2525

Never understood the 'Class Change' desire.


If I start to play a class and don't like it, want to try something else, I just save all the stuff I can off the character and delete it. I want to develop the class from the ground level.

Not even sure how you would handle the skills. You would get points back but since it's a 'new' class, you should not be able to morph anything. The new skills should be starting at ' 1 '.

IMHO

barney2525

KerinKor wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

lukoi wrote: »

I believe ZoS said that arent looking to that currently (some time ago) and dropped the ussue entirely after.

Remember when they've said that the store would be cosmetic only?

Yes, and when Trion said it, when Turbine said it, when .... you see the pattern here.

Anyone who was playing at the time for whom ESO wasn't their first MMO knew ZOS were lying through their teeth the moment they said it .. it was only a matter of when the lie became apparent, just as it was with Rift and LoTRO.

Just as repair kits in ESO are P2W, so they are in Fallout '76 .. given we're taking about the same parent organisation it's hardly surprising '76 followed in ESO's path, yet Bethesda lied many times last year that '76's store would be 'cosmetic only'.

Zenimax and its subs are as discredited as EA, Activision and Ubi-Soft as far as MTX abuse is concerned IMO.

OK, I don't think Trion ever said that. Archeage was P2W from the get go.

I'm not sure how repair kits are P2W though.

cyberjanet

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

ZOS said very recently they're not doing class change tokens ...

You can level up a new character (in a new class) in less than a day.

You can't relearn all your crafting motifs and traits in less than a day. Or regain all your achievements.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

lukoi wrote: »

I believe ZoS said that arent looking to that currently (some time ago) and dropped the ussue entirely after.

they also said we will never get to buy skill lines and skyshards for irl money...

m2rc

I disagree with class changing.

People are too sensitive on class changes. Yes, some are bad and force you to do things very differently but are they that bad that you're going to change class? And what if that class gets nerfed, are you going to change class again?

If you really really really hate playing your class so bad due to a new patch then roll another one. They're easy to level, especially with all the 50%, 100% and 150% XP scrolls that you get from daily logins, not even the Crown Store.

Itacira

m2rc wrote: »

I disagree with class changing.

People are too sensitive on class changes. Yes, some are bad and force you to do things very differently but are they that bad that you're going to change class? And what if that class gets nerfed, are you going to change class again?

If you really really really hate playing your class so bad due to a new patch then roll another one. They're easy to level, especially with all the 50%, 100% and 150% XP scrolls that you get from daily logins, not even the Crown Store.

Why do people who disagree with class change (WHAT IS THERE TO DISAGREE WITH, IT DOESN T APPLY TO THEM) ignore the many arguments in favor ?!

Rolling a new character : you lose achievement, you lose motifs, you lose horse training, you lose quest progression. It's not about the speed of levelling gdi it's about much much more. You know, character investment ? The RP part of MMORPG. Might ring a bell ?

The only thing I agree with you is that yes, people are too sensitive on class changes, namely on fighting against the possibility EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Druid40

There are fifteen possible character slots for each account per region. Make at least two of each class.

Vercingetorix

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You can level up a new character (in a new class) in less than a day.

Anyone using this argument is missing the point about why class change tokens are being asked for in the first place. It's about retaining the immense amount of progress a player has accrued on their account and not wanting it thrown away. There are many achievements that simply cannot be done anymore because the player presence for doing those achievements no longer exists. Players who have dedicated themselves to completing the map on one character have no interest in throwing away their hard work just to change 3 skill lines.

aemon.fincannon_ESO

The Breton Hero class changed changed into Necromancer, just sayin..

White wabbit

If I had a Dime for every class change thread I'd be very rich

Cadbury

Personally, I think it's not because they won't but because they can't. I can only imagine the bugs and glitchs that'll be unleashed if they try to implement it.

Vercingetorix

Cadbury wrote: »

Personally, I think it's not because they won't but because they can't. I can only imagine the bugs and glitchs that'll be unleashed if they try to implement it.

That's their problem and their job to deal with. Frankly, if they coded their game so horribly that they can't change a class spec on a player's character without destroying the game, then it's time for those developers to go home. It's completely absurd that such a fundamental function is missing from ESO when the developers brazenly change the functionality of the existing classes without concern for the player base. ZoS can quite literally ruin a class and a portion of the player base using that class can't enjoy the game until the changes are reversed a year later - IF they get changed. I feel so bad for magicka Warden players because they wasted their money on a class that never got the changes/buffs it needed and instead has been destroyed by patch after patch. What are they going to do? They aren't wasting their time and money re-rolling a character - they are LEAVING.

Dinokstrun

If they ever introduce class tokens I hope they're stupidly expensive this pay to be lazy culture is dumb.

MakeMeUhSamich

Dinokstrun wrote: »

If they ever introduce class tokens I hope they're stupidly expensive this pay to be lazy culture is dumb.

0/10 troll effort.

Dinokstrun

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

Dinokstrun wrote: »

If they ever introduce class tokens I hope they're stupidly expensive this pay to be lazy culture is dumb.

0/10 troll effort.

Ah the classic "I disagree with this but I don't want to draw out a debate so I'll call him a troll approach" nice

Itacira

Dinokstrun wrote: »

If they ever introduce class tokens I hope they're stupidly expensive this pay to be lazy culture is dumb.

"lazy culture"

IT'S A GAME. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ENTERTAINING. Contrarily to what this new life services model of games pretends, it's NOT A SECONDARY JOB.

Dinokstrun

Itacira wrote: »

Dinokstrun wrote: »

If they ever introduce class tokens I hope they're stupidly expensive this pay to be lazy culture is dumb.

"lazy culture"

IT'S A GAME. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ENTERTAINING. Contrarily to what this new life services model of games pretends, it's NOT A SECONDARY JOB.

It's pay to be lazy even when ZoS throw level up rewards people still cry and demand more options to resolve their selfish need as a remedy for their lack of effort. You say it's a game how about actually PLAYING it? I've seen this boosting tokens in other MMOs and it only makes the game feel lesser than it was before. ESO only has 50 levels and based on some peoples reaction to the process you'd think it was climbing a mountain.

Itacira

It's 👏Not 👏 About 👏 Levelling 👏 Up 👏 Please 👏 At 👏 Least 👏 Pretend 👏 To 👏 Inform 👏 Yourself 👏 On 👏 Why 👏 People 👏 Want 👏 It

@Dinokstrun At this point imma just quote myself

Itacira wrote: »

Why do people who disagree with class change (WHAT IS THERE TO DISAGREE WITH, IT DOESN T APPLY TO THEM) ignore the many arguments in favor ?!

Rolling a new character : you lose achievement, you lose motifs, you lose horse training, you lose quest progression. It's not about the speed of levelling gdi it's about much much more. You know, character investment ? The RP part of MMORPG. Might ring a bell ?

The only thing I agree with you is that yes, people are too sensitive on class changes, namely on fighting against the possibility EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Dinokstrun

Itacira wrote: »

It's 👏Not 👏 About 👏 Levelling 👏 Up 👏 Please 👏 At 👏 Least 👏 Pretend 👏 To 👏 Inform 👏 Yourself 👏 On 👏 Why 👏 People 👏 Want 👏 It

@Dinokstrun At this point imma just quote myself

Itacira wrote: »

Why do people who disagree with class change (WHAT IS THERE TO DISAGREE WITH, IT DOESN T APPLY TO THEM) ignore the many arguments in favor ?!

Rolling a new character : you lose achievement, you lose motifs, you lose horse training, you lose quest progression. It's not about the speed of levelling gdi it's about much much more. You know, character investment ? The RP part of MMORPG. Might ring a bell ?

The only thing I agree with you is that yes, people are too sensitive on class changes, namely on fighting against the possibility EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

So you basically don't want to replay your achievements and do every little collect-a-thon all over again. Could you explain to me why you even bother playing online games if you act like your some kind of deserving child who wants everything presented to him on a silver platter? Stop being a whiny winger and actually play the game like myself who abandoned a 30k+ achievement Stam Sorc to play main a Necromancer. I just blew a massive investmentoh damn what ever will I do oh yeah play the game.

Also stop pretending that people want this you're a minority at this point. Give it a rest.

Kawall

Dinokstrun wrote: »

Itacira wrote: »

It's 👏Not 👏 About 👏 Levelling 👏 Up 👏 Please 👏 At 👏 Least 👏 Pretend 👏 To 👏 Inform 👏 Yourself 👏 On 👏 Why 👏 People 👏 Want 👏 It

@Dinokstrun At this point imma just quote myself

Itacira wrote: »

Why do people who disagree with class change (WHAT IS THERE TO DISAGREE WITH, IT DOESN T APPLY TO THEM) ignore the many arguments in favor ?!

Rolling a new character : you lose achievement, you lose motifs, you lose horse training, you lose quest progression. It's not about the speed of levelling gdi it's about much much more. You know, character investment ? The RP part of MMORPG. Might ring a bell ?

The only thing I agree with you is that yes, people are too sensitive on class changes, namely on fighting against the possibility EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

So you basically don't want to replay your achievements and do every little collect-a-thon all over again. Could you explain to me why you even bother playing online games if you act like your some kind of deserving child who wants everything presented to him on a silver platter? Stop being a whiny winger and actually play the game like myself who abandoned a 30k+ achievement Stam Sorc to play main a Necromancer. I just blew a massive investmentoh damn what ever will I do oh yeah play the game.

Also stop pretending that people want this you're a minority at this point. Give it a rest.

Well i can't speak for the other person, but i did almost all of the quest in my 2 chars (and many other deleted chars) fishing, crafting and skill lines. At this point i don't see any reason to do them again. Zos can make it only one per char or per year to avoid constant class jumping. And refund skill points and make class skills level 1 when you change it. As i said leveling them isn't problem for me.