Nerfed heals and less dps...RIP vet trials

Downey

Zos says thet to make up for the nerfed healing, dps need to focus more on defensive sets and self heals
Imo that might b ok, IF they weren't nerfing all the dps skills to the point dps build r hitting 10k+ less on pts vs live servers identical build!
So instead of 40k dps, I do 30k dps...but wait, I need to change gear and add heals, so if I'm lucky I'm now at 25k dps
Zos, which hm vet trials can a group of 25k dps's complete?...please let me know so we can go clear it non stop until the update with our 40k dps

validifyedneb18_ESO

you can hit 30k on a half self sustaining build easily.

This is good, assuming future content is tuned around this idea we will have significantly better build diversity.
...But I doubt the best groups will stop doing things as they still do, crush DPS, stack, and ignore mechanics.

Saril_Durzam

Actually, it will make content harder which is good, already seen pugs completing vet trials.

Pr0Skygon

I'm 100% ok with putting more effort into vet trials. Me and my guildmates have been making millions of gold for carrying newbies through vMOL and vHOF, which kinda proves how easy those vet trials are nowadays, even if you have 0 idea what you're doing (like 1 or 2 persons, not the entire squad).

WuffyCerulei

Achieving 30k+ dps isn’t hard. Even now. And it’s just day 2 in the 6 week testing period. Not everything is gonna stay the same between the 5.1.0 and 5.1.5(release) notes.

DocFrost72

Downey wrote: »

Zos says thet to make up for the nerfed healing, dps need to focus more on defensive sets and self heals
Imo that might b ok, IF they weren't nerfing all the dps skills to the point dps build r hitting 10k+ less on pts vs live servers identical build!
So instead of 40k dps, I do 30k dps...but wait, I need to change gear and add heals, so if I'm lucky I'm now at 25k dps
Zos, which hm vet trials can a group of 25k dps's complete?...please let me know so we can go clear it non stop until the update with our 40k dps

I was hitting 27k self buffed in 5 fort brass 5 VO on my stamplar ages ago when I first tried it. I'm 100% positive with just fracture now I could hit anywhere from 30-35k, with 30k resistances.

Oh no, I'm not pulling 50k self buffed! True. I'm not. I'm also laughing at incoming damage like a full tank.

mikemacon

Yup.

Running the “current” Easy Sorc build (which, incidentally, has always been focused on being an all-rounder with built-in sustain and survivability) with only ele drain I can sleepwalk to 41k on a really messed up rotation.

On PTS.

With the proposed changes.

Only got to smack the 3 mil dummy once before heading to the day-job-to-support-my-ESO-habit, and I didn’t get to hit the trials atro yet. I’m guessing around 60k with (again) this patch’s build & setup, which isn’t even optimized yet for the update.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When you’ve always taken care of your own sustain and survivability, changes like this wind up being sort of a “whatever” kind of thing.

kojou

mikemacon wrote: »

Yup.

Running the “current” Easy Sorc build (which, incidentally, has always been focused on being an all-rounder with built-in sustain and survivability) with only ele drain I can sleepwalk to 41k on a really messed up rotation.

On PTS.

With the proposed changes.

Only got to smack the 3 mil dummy once before heading to the day-job-to-support-my-ESO-habit, and I didn’t get to hit the trials atro yet. I’m guessing around 60k with (again) this patch’s build & setup, which isn’t even optimized yet for the update.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When you’ve always taken care of your own sustain and survivability, changes like this wind up being sort of a “whatever” kind of thing.

Some classes can do it better than others.

mikemacon

Honestly haven’t tried anything else yet, so I can’t directly speak to that.

However, I know other who are and are reporting similarly.

Here’s the thing: If you’re going to try to shoehorn the current “meta” builds and rotations into the next patch it’s not going to go well for you.

If however you embrace the changes and incorporate heavy attacks into your rotations (as has always been the devs’ intent, BTW) and incorporate some different skills, for instance, you won’t see massive losses, if any losses at all.

Zedrian

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

you can hit 30k on a half self sustaining build easily.

This is good, assuming future content is tuned around this idea we will have significantly better build diversity.
...But I doubt the best groups will stop doing things as they still do, crush DPS, stack, and ignore mechanics.

For some trials you can't really burn all the mechanics through DPS. In fact, the best groups do more DPS because they respect and anticipate mechanics.

I can think of a few instance where DPS can really skip mechanics such as the last miniboss on VCR+3 or the Lunar phase on vMOL.... but these groups represent a tiny portion of the game population. The game should be designed for the majority of the population.

With the bugs and performance issues, the vet trials are still within reach for good raid groups, but the hardmodes can quickly become really difficult. I somewhat agree with OP that nerfing on top of current bugs is poor design as it will encourage even more players to leave the game. On PS4 doing non craglorn trials in HM is very very difficult for the majority of the progression teams, and they don't have add ons that carry them .

Durham

Downey wrote: »

Zos says thet to make up for the nerfed healing, dps need to focus more on defensive sets and self heals
Imo that might b ok, IF they weren't nerfing all the dps skills to the point dps build r hitting 10k+ less on pts vs live servers identical build!
So instead of 40k dps, I do 30k dps...but wait, I need to change gear and add heals, so if I'm lucky I'm now at 25k dps
Zos, which hm vet trials can a group of 25k dps's complete?...please let me know so we can go clear it non stop until the update with our 40k dps

Not true, trails can be done after this patch. Vet Trials had become way to easy. The non vet trails were laughable.

jkolb2030

Not gonna lie, i don't think the DPS is going to get hit nearly as bad as everyone thinks.... I was doing some parses last night on the PTS and can still hit 94k on a stamcro with good sustain

Are you guys actually testing your numbers before these posts are made?

Destruent

jkolb2030 wrote: »

Not gonna lie, i don't think the DPS is going to get hit nearly as bad as everyone thinks.... I was doing some parses last night on the PTS and can still hit 94k on a stamcro with good sustain

Are you guys actually testing your numbers before these posts are made?

of course they are not...otherwise they wouldn't go completely crazy...they don't even dare to read complete patchnotes or they would see, that ZOS also buffed a lot of skills which are now worth using...

LiquidPony

DPS wasn't nerfed. At least not for everyone. Maybe some builds, but others are hitting the same if not higher than they were last patch.

Have you seen Soul Trap? lol

Aznarb

LiquidPony wrote: »

DPS wasn't nerfed. At least not for everyone. Maybe some builds, but others are hitting the same if not higher than they were last patch.

Have you seen Soul Trap? lol

+ Entropy ^^

Destruent

Aznarb wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

DPS wasn't nerfed. At least not for everyone. Maybe some builds, but others are hitting the same if not higher than they were last patch.

Have you seen Soul Trap? lol

+ Entropy ^^

+ flame reach ^^