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How can i beat mag sorcs as a Dragonknight ?

pandoraxx
pandoraxx
Hello guys. Sorry my english not fluent enought but i want to ask you a question...


As a stamina dragonknight, how can i beat sorcs ? Specially NON-CP (Battlegrounds)

Im using spriggan's + fortified brass (med) + blood spawn monster set..

32k spell resist 30k physcal resist... 3.5k wep damage (excluding buffs) 1.4k stam recovery

And do you know how much damage i got from mag sorc in 2 seconds ?

It's f***ng 18k in only 2 secs ! Especially when my defensive features are so high. What do you think about it ? Can you kill mag sorcs as dragonknight ? (P.S: Other stamina classes are not problem..)
  • pandoraxx
    pandoraxx
    Yea you're right but aganist some sorc fights not longer then 5 seconds... And he is hit me 18k+ (i said some sorc not at all) and his barrier also so strong...
  • TheShadower92
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    pandoraxx wrote: »
    Yea you're right but aganist some sorc fights not longer then 5 seconds... And he is hit me 18k+ (i said some sorc not at all) and his barrier also so strong...

    Idk what you're talking about, but DKs feel to me like one of the hardest Sorc counters. jump on me and snare the *** out of me
  • Hämähäkki
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    pandoraxx wrote: »
    And he is hit me 18k+.

    That sounds like no crit resistance to me. Are you sure that you have the right set trait and your cp setup right?

  • pandoraxx
    pandoraxx
    pandoraxx wrote: »
    And he is hit me 18k+.

    That sounds like no crit resistance to me. Are you sure that you have the right set trait and your cp setup right?

    Im playing NO-CP BG'S i said that first :P I have 1.2k crit resist. And i have great resistance (because using fort brass set)
  • Hämähäkki
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    pandoraxx wrote: »
    pandoraxx wrote: »
    And he is hit me 18k+.

    That sounds like no crit resistance to me. Are you sure that you have the right set trait and your cp setup right?

    Im playing NO-CP BG'S i said that first :P I have 1.2k crit resist. And i have great resistance (because using fort brass set)

    Oh sorry I overread this, my mistake
  • Zer0_CooL
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    Most attacks from sorcs are dodgable. Maybe you can improve your movement.
  • Kadoin
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    Zer0_CooL wrote: »
    Most attacks from sorcs are dodgable. Maybe you can improve your movement.

    This. You need to know when to dodge and block. Learn how long the roll dodge window lasts (it lasts round 1.5 sec after ddoge roll or so). I play only medium armor stam DK with like 18K-19K resist and I don't have a problem with mag sorcs, and no I don't ever use LOS like a coward because I can't have excuses from my enemies :D . Also, don't forget major evasion reduces damage of almost all their attacks too (and mag in general).

    Statwise you should have no problem, all you need to do is stay in their face.

    A tip for you if they streak too much is to prioritize heavy attacking once you gap close, sprint or whatever, then animation cancel it and do your regular attacks , or (though I don't do this) heavy -> petrify -> your planned attacks. If you do it right, you should have no problem keeping your stam up, being able to roll, and block, and do damage.

    But the most important thing you need is, shockingly: PATIENCE. Not every player will fall down quickly, so if you care about winning then you need to wait for an opportunity to win or even leave and make them waste resources following you...
  • MaxJrFTW
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    You're not going to beat a magsorc in no cp unless that magsorc is really bad. In cp stamina classes are in general a lot stronger. Stamdks and magsorcs are the two strongest classes, the most skilled of the two players should win.

    Either way, i can't answer your question because i have 0 experience as a stamdk. I do know they're weak in no cp, especially battlegrounds.

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  • Vermethys
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    My advice for you is to increase your Crit Resistance to 1.8k-2k in BGs and avoid fighting competent MagSorcs in open fields -- lure them to tighter spots and use LoS to your advantage. You can use Protective Plate, if you have the magicka sustain for it, and block their Crystals Frags if you can predict it and are using S&B.

    Tbh, I noticed that high resistances in Medium Armor don't mean much for some reason. I play in Heavy Armour with 26k spell and 23k physical resistances, and I'm tankier than when I've got 31k resistances in Medium.
    Edited by Vermethys on July 9, 2019 9:51AM
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  • DTStormfox
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    Basically, Magsorcs are very much time-based. You can see them cast their ward (animation) and know when they will try to stun and burst you (stun and burst often come at the same moment as the Curse ability proc). You can use that against them. What also helps is to keep the pressure up at all time. Especially if you run a DoT build, such as my Venomwalker build (see my signature). Force them to keep casting shields, force them to play defensively.
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  • mursie
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    fossilize him. all day, every day.
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  • Davadin
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    pandoraxx wrote: »
    Hello guys. Sorry my english not fluent enought but i want to ask you a question...


    As a stamina dragonknight, how can i beat sorcs ? Specially NON-CP (Battlegrounds)

    Im using spriggan's + fortified brass (med) + blood spawn monster set..

    32k spell resist 30k physcal resist... 3.5k wep damage (excluding buffs) 1.4k stam recovery

    And do you know how much damage i got from mag sorc in 2 seconds ?

    It's f***ng 18k in only 2 secs ! Especially when my defensive features are so high. What do you think about it ? Can you kill mag sorcs as dragonknight ? (P.S: Other stamina classes are not problem..)

    if u got 30k resist, *IF* you also have at least 2.5K crit resist, you would NOT get 18k damage in 2 sec.

    u can have 50k resist ,but if ur crit resist is <1k, you'll die with 2 arrow to the head under 1 sec.

    once u get around to surviving, then u can worry about killing him: DK Leap ulti, Fossilize, blow him apart.

    PS: this is in BG. in CP Cyrodiil, all bets are off lol
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  • NuarBlack
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    Keep Wings up. Magicka management for wings and fossilize are key to stamdk. Run at least one dot to help eat at shields. Also don't be afraid to use a global/cc on their twilight. Launch your burst combo when they don't have a shield up.

    The other method is patience as some have said. You are basically just gonna use fossilize on CD and run defensively till you eat through all the sorcs stamina. Which is easiest for a stamdk cause fossilize requires a break free and roll. In non cp the third time you hit them with it there is a good chance they won't be able to break free immediately and then definitely not dodge roll away out of the root portion.
  • Lokey0024
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    NuarBlack wrote: »
    Keep Wings up. Magicka management for wings and fossilize are key to stamdk. Run at least one dot to help eat at shields. Also don't be afraid to use a global/cc on their twilight. Launch your burst combo when they don't have a shield up.

    The other method is patience as some have said. You are basically just gonna use fossilize on CD and run defensively till you eat through all the sorcs stamina. Which is easiest for a stamdk cause fossilize requires a break free and roll. In non cp the third time you hit them with it there is a good chance they won't be able to break free immediately and then definitely not dodge roll away out of the root portion.

    XD
    Edited by Lokey0024 on July 9, 2019 10:51PM
  • JumpmanLane
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    Keep wings up (easier on a MagDk I know, I know) and go straight offense. In open world, when they streak don’t chase. In BG’s chase and stay offensive as possible (again easier on a MagDk but oh well). And keep your dots on the fool.

    Witch up, lil' witches!
  • Theignson
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    Used to be much easier before when wings reflected their spells.

    Get combat metrics and see exactly what is killing you-- look at base damage vs crit damage.

    Get your crit resistance at least 2000 and higher if possible. Put impenetrable on all pieces. You could consider switching impregnable in for fortified.

    You can run S&B and use defensive posture and even the 1hs ultimate. A well timed defensive posture will deprive them of part of their offense and stun them allowing you to gap close them and start meleeing.

    I dont use wings anymore but its true that wings plus S%B and blocking can mitigate a lot of their damage
  • BlackMadara
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    The 18k you took 2 seconds is from their stackable burst. A procced frag hits hard, curse pops 3.5 seconds after they put it on you for high damage, fury pops once you are below 20% hp, plus any ult (meteor, overload light attacks), or dots (pets, clench, etc) and you can see why a sorc is so good at this type of combo.

    That said, the ease at which they can time so much damage in 1 global means that you can time this yourself. When curse is about to pop on you, block or dodge the frag that is sure to come. It's pretty easy to see when you get used to it. If they cant hit an empowered frag on you, then you should be fine surviving.

    Now to kill them as a stam DK, place your dots and pay attention to when they cast their shields. After they cast the shields, count to 6. Once you hit 6, the shields drop, and you can go for a stun into burst combo. That's drop most sorcs. If it doesn't, they might adapt and cast shields early, but that eats magicka quickly. Keep dots up and ccing them and you will win eventually.
  • Keylun
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    Edited by Keylun on July 18, 2019 1:46AM
  • Sergykid
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    pandoraxx wrote: »
    Hello guys. Sorry my english not fluent enought but i want to ask you a question...


    As a stamina dragonknight, how can i beat sorcs ? Specially NON-CP (Battlegrounds)

    Im using spriggan's + fortified brass (med) + blood spawn monster set..

    32k spell resist 30k physcal resist... 3.5k wep damage (excluding buffs) 1.4k stam recovery

    And do you know how much damage i got from mag sorc in 2 seconds ?

    It's f***ng 18k in only 2 secs ! Especially when my defensive features are so high. What do you think about it ? Can you kill mag sorcs as dragonknight ? (P.S: Other stamina classes are not problem..)

    Sure you can. I play stamDK myself and have no problems with sorcs. Dot em up, stun, leap, execute, dead ;)

    that works wonders on an afk sorc. Or any under lvl 50 sorc that doesn't have streak.

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  • kaithuzar
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    Kill the twilight first.
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  • ScruffyWhiskers
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    kaithuzar wrote: »
    Kill the twilight first.

    Hitting that thing is usually my problem :)
  • The_Lex
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    Good advice in this thread.

    Or you can QQ on the forums until ZOS nerfs them as part of their "vision."
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  • Aedaryl
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    Stam DK is the strongest openworld duelist in the game and you shouldn't have trouble to beat Magsorc.

    You are using a bag gear and don't know how sorc even work.

    Get a good gear, take S&B as offensive weapon and LA/Heroic slash/Bash as your spammable, use corrosive when the sorc is pressurisé to finish him.

    Basically L2P sorry.
  • Avnr
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    Wings , they reflect frags back and more....


    ohh wait
  • pandoraxx
    pandoraxx
    Thank you for advices guys..
  • hero2zer0
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    You simply can't if he's playing a petsorc and is equal or better than you.
    Petsorcs are quite literally the best class this patch and they take no skill to play.

    If the second part of the quote is true, than even a less skilled player would beat the OP most of the time (since “it takes no skill to play”), but the first part of the quote only mentioned equally or better skilled opponent (which btw is true regardless of class or build!), so which is it?
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