Why does magicka always get the easy proc sets?

Strider__Roshin

First they get Spell Strategist which is essentially Ravager except it has 100% up time because all you need to do is land a light attack, and now Martial Law is essentially essence thief except you don't have to chase some glowing patch that can be thrown in any direction.

If we're going to hand feed power to magicka builds can we do the same for stam?

JamesDX

The devs will do whatever they want.

So the quick answer is... No. 😂

Strider__Roshin

JamesDX wrote: »

The devs will do whatever they want.

So the quick answer is... No. 😂

I can't wait for a new Stam set that requires me to solve a calculus equation before successfully benefiting from it just to see magicka get their light-attack-only-requirement version of it later.

MellowMagic

To bad ravager isnt even usable on a stamplar anymore >:(

TipsyDrow

Daus wrote: »

JamesDX wrote: »

The devs will do whatever they want.

So the quick answer is... No. 😂

I can't wait for a new Stam set that requires me to solve a calculus equation before successfully benefiting from it just to see magicka get their light-attack-only-requirement version of it later.

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jaws343

But, spell strat only works against a single target. So not anything like ravager and mostly useless in PVP.

Martial Knowledge is more like a weaker shield breaker that has specific conditions to proc.

DPShiro

Oh yeah totally.

It’s super hard to light attack to keep up Relequen or activate a synergy now and then for 100% major slayer.

CambionDaemon

Counter question.

Why do stamina get heavy armour damage/regen sets?

Answer: ?

Derra

Daus wrote: »

First they get Spell Strategist which is essentially Ravager except it has 100% up time because all you need to do is land a light attack, and now Martial Law is essentially essence thief except you don't have to chase some glowing patch that can be thrown in any direction.

If we're going to hand feed power to magicka builds can we do the same for stam?

Just that essence thief gives resource and health?
Just as ravager actually buffs your healing aswell as your dmg and the dmg against multiple targets?

Strider__Roshin

jaws343 wrote: »

But, spell strat only works against a single target. So not anything like ravager and mostly useless in PVP.

Martial Knowledge is more like a weaker shield breaker that has specific conditions to proc.

Weaker shield breaker? Since when is 10% a smaller number than 6%

Strider__Roshin

Derra wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

First they get Spell Strategist which is essentially Ravager except it has 100% up time because all you need to do is land a light attack, and now Martial Law is essentially essence thief except you don't have to chase some glowing patch that can be thrown in any direction.

If we're going to hand feed power to magicka builds can we do the same for stam?

Just that essence thief gives resource and health?
Just as ravager actually buffs your healing aswell as your dmg and the dmg against multiple targets?

The resources are quite potent, but the randomness of the spawn just isn't practical.

jaws343

Daus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

But, spell strat only works against a single target. So not anything like ravager and mostly useless in PVP.

Martial Knowledge is more like a weaker shield breaker that has specific conditions to proc.

Weaker shield breaker? Since when is 10% a smaller number than 6%

Shield breaker does up to 12% when someone has a damage shield, which is a lot of the times. But also, that 6% from shield breaker is always up. The 10% from MK is only up if you are below 75% stamina. So not full uptime. Hence, shield breaker is stronger as the 5 piece of MK isn't always on. Also, MK only works against the target you light attacked. So it breaks down as you face more enemies. So, you better hope that you are able to focus the enemy your light attack hit or else the 5 piece is completely wasted for its duration.

pieratsos

Daus wrote: »

JamesDX wrote: »

The devs will do whatever they want.

So the quick answer is... No. 😂

I can't wait for a new Stam set that requires me to solve a calculus equation before successfully benefiting from it just to see magicka get their light-attack-only-requirement version of it later.

Yeah you are right, sets like viper do certainly need a calculus equation to benefit from them. So is 7th, fury and the likes of them. They were so hard to proc to the point where you had to actually wear them to get their benefits.

P.S. Spell strategist is single target. Ravager was a weapon dmg buff attached to you buffing all ur dmg against everyone and ur heals. What kind of stupid comparison is that.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Bias is bias. Stam has been reigning on top of the dps charts for months now. I guess that's not due to crappy sets.

fred4

Which part of the new, BUFFED 7th Legion is giving you trouble? Hint: Back bar it. Get 10 seconds of +350 weapon damage reliably, with 100% uptime, by activating your armor buff skill. Better yet, be a nightblade and get it by activating Cloak. Bar swap. Gain +129 weapon damage from the single weapon piece you didn't use before, for a total of +479 weapon damage, or use Master Daggers or an Asylum 2H you didn't use before. Did that solve the problem for you?

Emma_Overload

And yet Stamina is STILL stronger than Magicka and always will be until the blanket 15% cost reduction for stam skills gets nerfed.

Abhaya

Must have missed the viper / tremorscale meta.

Strider__Roshin

Abhaya wrote: »

Must have missed the viper / tremorscale meta.

Nope I was there, and yes it was toxic. I am thankful that these sets at least amplify your power rather than do the fighting for you.

Kova

Right on time

Strider__Roshin

Emma_Overload wrote: »

And yet Stamina is STILL stronger than Magicka and always will be until the blanket 15% cost reduction for stam skills gets nerfed.

As in stronger PvE dps?

Good. They should be. Higher risk should yield higher reward.

If we're talking about PvP magsorcs have reined supreme for quite some time now, and they've been the strongest spec more than any other spec in this game throughout its lifespan with small breaks here and there. They've never been weak though.

Strider__Roshin

fred4 wrote: »

Which part of the new, BUFFED 7th Legion is giving you trouble? Hint: Back bar it. Get 10 seconds of +350 weapon damage reliably, with 100% uptime, by activating your armor buff skill. Better yet, be a nightblade and get it by activating Cloak. Bar swap. Gain +129 weapon damage from the single weapon piece you didn't use before, for a total of +479 weapon damage, or use Master Daggers or an Asylum 2H you didn't use before. Did that solve the problem for you?

Must be the part about it giving 350 WD rather than 500. And your claim hasn't been tested yet. I'm hoping you're right though since that would benefit me as a stamblade.

Strider__Roshin

pieratsos wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

JamesDX wrote: »

The devs will do whatever they want.

So the quick answer is... No. 😂

I can't wait for a new Stam set that requires me to solve a calculus equation before successfully benefiting from it just to see magicka get their light-attack-only-requirement version of it later.

Yeah you are right, sets like viper do certainly need a calculus equation to benefit from them. So is 7th, fury and the likes of them. They were so hard to proc to the point where you had to actually wear them to get their benefits.

P.S. Spell strategist is single target. Ravager was a weapon dmg buff attached to you buffing all ur dmg against everyone and ur heals. What kind of stupid comparison is that.

Was going to explain it to you, but you don't deserve an explanation.

Strider__Roshin

jaws343 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

But, spell strat only works against a single target. So not anything like ravager and mostly useless in PVP.

Martial Knowledge is more like a weaker shield breaker that has specific conditions to proc.

Weaker shield breaker? Since when is 10% a smaller number than 6%

Shield breaker does up to 12% when someone has a damage shield, which is a lot of the times. But also, that 6% from shield breaker is always up. The 10% from MK is only up if you are below 75% stamina. So not full uptime. Hence, shield breaker is stronger as the 5 piece of MK isn't always on. Also, MK only works against the target you light attacked. So it breaks down as you face more enemies. So, you better hope that you are able to focus the enemy your light attack hit or else the 5 piece is completely wasted for its duration.

This is a fair argument. As a ST spec the mechanic of MK is stronger to me, but for a Stamplar or a zergling SB would be the better set I agree. However Spriggans is stronger than SB which just makes renders it useless in my eyes whereas MK definitely has a place.

CambionDaemon

Daus wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

And yet Stamina is STILL stronger than Magicka and always will be until the blanket 15% cost reduction for stam skills gets nerfed.

As in stronger PvE dps?

Good. They should be. Higher risk should yield higher reward.

If we're talking about PvP magsorcs have reined supreme for quite some time now, and they've been the strongest spec more than any other spec in this game throughout its lifespan with small breaks here and there. They've never been weak though.

I love how a Stamina player can say that MagSorc's have reigned supreme for awhile, when Stamina has been top 3/4 dps in and out of PvP for about 2 years. PetSorcs have been very good in PvP (possibly taking the 3rd slot), but nonpet has been at the bottom since Morrowind due to the sustain issues. And if Stamina is to do more damage (because of the stupid I'm in close range argument) then it's cost should be increased by 15/20% or Magicka should have it's cost reduced by 30%.

Arciris

Because..

. MAGIC



You know? Clap your fingers and make thing MAGICALLY happens.

While Stamina is all about muscle, and sweat and labor

fred4

Daus wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Which part of the new, BUFFED 7th Legion is giving you trouble? Hint: Back bar it. Get 10 seconds of +350 weapon damage reliably, with 100% uptime, by activating your armor buff skill. Better yet, be a nightblade and get it by activating Cloak. Bar swap. Gain +129 weapon damage from the single weapon piece you didn't use before, for a total of +479 weapon damage, or use Master Daggers or an Asylum 2H you didn't use before. Did that solve the problem for you?

Must be the part about it giving 350 WD rather than 500. And your claim hasn't been tested yet. I'm hoping you're right though since that would benefit me as a stamblade.

You're right, my claim must be tested, but this is how most, if not all other sets of this type work, such as Spell Strategist, Senche, and so on.

Murador178

Why are all the stamina/magicka zealots in this thread . Lets be real both magicka and stamina have been viable in the last patches with certain builds of both overperforming compared to others....

Strider__Roshin

Murador178 wrote: »

Why are all the stamina/magicka zealots in this thread . Lets be real both magicka and stamina have been viable in the last patches with certain builds of both overperforming compared to others....

No arguments here, and honestly this patch is going to do a fantastic job evening out the playing field further imo. I am concerned about magplars though if I were to be honest. The new eclipse looks broken

Murador178

Tbh the eclipse version on the life severs was annoying aswell. Breaking it was always clunky. A good templar would always use eclipse on a 2h/bow nightblade when enganging making the duel quite annoying. Maybe it feels less annoying than before - testing will tell.

Abhaya

CambionDaemon wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

And yet Stamina is STILL stronger than Magicka and always will be until the blanket 15% cost reduction for stam skills gets nerfed.

As in stronger PvE dps?

Good. They should be. Higher risk should yield higher reward.

If we're talking about PvP magsorcs have reined supreme for quite some time now, and they've been the strongest spec more than any other spec in this game throughout its lifespan with small breaks here and there. They've never been weak though.

I love how a Stamina player can say that MagSorc's have reigned supreme for awhile, when Stamina has been top 3/4 dps in and out of PvP for about 2 years. PetSorcs have been very good in PvP (possibly taking the 3rd slot), but nonpet has been at the bottom since Morrowind due to the sustain issues. And if Stamina is to do more damage (because of the stupid I'm in close range argument) then it's cost should be increased by 15/20% or Magicka should have it's cost reduced by 30%.

You realize that stamina abilities get reduced costs because their attacks share the same resource pool as block, dodge, and sprint and that it has been that way from a design standpoint for a long time? Your claim that all stamina skills should cost 15% more and all magicka skills should cost 30% less is absurdly biased.

Juhasow

Daus wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

But, spell strat only works against a single target. So not anything like ravager and mostly useless in PVP.

Martial Knowledge is more like a weaker shield breaker that has specific conditions to proc.

Weaker shield breaker? Since when is 10% a smaller number than 6%

Well since You bring up additional requirements atleast matrial knowledge have some (being under 75% stam and light attacking) where shieldbreaker is flat 6% no brainer.