Frags need stun back ASAP

iCaliban

With the unjust nerf to flame reach, sorcs need a reliable stun back in their arsenal. Rune cage is a meme and is in no way a replacement for flame reach.

Drummerx04

iCaliban wrote: »

With the unjust nerf to flame reach, sorcs need a reliable stun back in their arsenal. Rune cage is a meme and is in no way a replacement for flame reach.

I'm going to be the first person to point you to the UNBLOCKABLE UNDODGEABLE AOE stun that comes with the changes to streak.

With all of the preloadable burst damage on a sorc (curse, meteor, fury) and a stun that can be applied at will, sorcs should not be complaining about lack of stun potential.

Lord_Eomer

What about "No"

iCaliban

Drummerx04 wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

With the unjust nerf to flame reach, sorcs need a reliable stun back in their arsenal. Rune cage is a meme and is in no way a replacement for flame reach.

I'm going to be the first person to point you to the UNBLOCKABLE UNDODGEABLE AOE stun that comes with the changes to streak.

With all of the preloadable burst damage on a sorc (curse, meteor, fury) and a stun that can be applied at will, sorcs should not be complaining about lack of stun potential.

This is melee only. Mag sorc is a ranged class. If you are gonna force sorc to be in close range, flame clench works just fine.

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

What about "No"

Great feedback.

Vlad9425

It deals too much damage to also have a stun. If you were to sacrifice some damage for that stun then fair enough but adding the stun back would overload the ability once more.

SodanTok

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

Strider__Roshin

Yeah no

danwtayl

Lol no...

PhoenixGrey

And yet draining shot still has a unbreakable stun for a melee class which gets buffed regardless of the meta

GeorgeBlack

Gime wings back?

ZarkingFrued

Drummerx04 wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

With the unjust nerf to flame reach, sorcs need a reliable stun back in their arsenal. Rune cage is a meme and is in no way a replacement for flame reach.

I'm going to be the first person to point you to the UNBLOCKABLE UNDODGEABLE AOE stun that comes with the changes to streak.

With all of the preloadable burst damage on a sorc (curse, meteor, fury) and a stun that can be applied at will, sorcs should not be complaining about lack of stun potential.

You gotta be joking. Seriously? Streak? Seriously? Lmfao I'm dying over here. You have any clue how impossible it would be to use streak as a main stun. Any at all? Dude maybe all the classes before you go around just saying stuff that makes no sense

ItsNotLiving

I’ve main Magicka sorcerer forever and I told all my friends that if streak went through block to combo with meteor in trade of the risk of getting in melee range it would be the best solution. Frags not stunning is never getting reverted but this is going to be the best patch for not pet mag sorc in a while. I guess ZoS have my house bugged or something lol.

iCaliban

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Gime wings back?

Dont care. Never had a problem with wings. Even as a projectile sorc.

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I’ve main Magicka sorcerer forever and I told all my friends that if streak went through block to combo with meteor in trade of the risk of getting in melee range it would be the best solution. Frags not stunning is never getting reverted but this is going to be the best patch for not pet mag sorc in a while. I guess ZoS have my house bugged or something lol.

No it is not. Sorc has no way to secure kills at long range now besides kill stealing. Lack of a ranged stun will make LOS easy as hell, especially with the buffs to medium armor. If you stick to clench, you will always be in gap closer range, so stam will have the advantage.

ItsNotLiving

iCaliban wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Gime wings back?

Dont care. Never had a problem with wings. Even as a projectile sorc.

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I’ve main Magicka sorcerer forever and I told all my friends that if streak went through block to combo with meteor in trade of the risk of getting in melee range it would be the best solution. Frags not stunning is never getting reverted but this is going to be the best patch for not pet mag sorc in a while. I guess ZoS have my house bugged or something lol.

No it is not. Sorc has no way to secure kills at long range now besides kill stealing. Lack of a ranged stun will make LOS easy as hell, especially with the buffs to medium armor. If you stick to clench, you will always be in gap closer range, so stam will have the advantage.

Just stop crutching on a master staff and get used to streak as a stun it’s quite fun and you can’t play ranged anyway while gap closers exist. Simply this is going to be a good patch.

iCaliban

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Gime wings back?

Dont care. Never had a problem with wings. Even as a projectile sorc.

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I’ve main Magicka sorcerer forever and I told all my friends that if streak went through block to combo with meteor in trade of the risk of getting in melee range it would be the best solution. Frags not stunning is never getting reverted but this is going to be the best patch for not pet mag sorc in a while. I guess ZoS have my house bugged or something lol.

No it is not. Sorc has no way to secure kills at long range now besides kill stealing. Lack of a ranged stun will make LOS easy as hell, especially with the buffs to medium armor. If you stick to clench, you will always be in gap closer range, so stam will have the advantage.

Just stop crutching on a master staff and get used to streak as a stun it’s quite fun and you can’t play ranged anyway while gap closers exist. Simply this is going to be a good patch.

Oh, so you were just lying about being a sorc main. Got it.

ItsNotLiving

iCaliban wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Gime wings back?

Dont care. Never had a problem with wings. Even as a projectile sorc.

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I’ve main Magicka sorcerer forever and I told all my friends that if streak went through block to combo with meteor in trade of the risk of getting in melee range it would be the best solution. Frags not stunning is never getting reverted but this is going to be the best patch for not pet mag sorc in a while. I guess ZoS have my house bugged or something lol.

No it is not. Sorc has no way to secure kills at long range now besides kill stealing. Lack of a ranged stun will make LOS easy as hell, especially with the buffs to medium armor. If you stick to clench, you will always be in gap closer range, so stam will have the advantage.

Just stop crutching on a master staff and get used to streak as a stun it’s quite fun and you can’t play ranged anyway while gap closers exist. Simply this is going to be a good patch.

Oh, so you were just lying about being a sorc main. Got it.

Nah I just don’t use a master staff because I don’t have a good pve character and these changes are good

TheValar85

And also shield stacking.

DisgracefulMind

No. And flame clench shouldn't be the knockback skill either, the shock clench should be given the cc because it's used by the classes suffering the most from lack of cc options. /:

Mihael

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

SodanTok

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discrethour whole post by thinking crystal blast and tune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

Literally every class that doesnt have 10 stuns wants to talk with you about your problems with lack of reliable stun on ranged preload burst class.

iCaliban

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Mihael

SodanTok wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discrethour whole post by thinking crystal blast and tune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

Literally every class that doesnt have 10 stuns wants to talk with you about your problems with lack of reliable stun on ranged preload burst class.

If we are talking mag classes magden is the only class without really good stuns (haven’t played mag necro so don’t know)

TheValar85

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

Yes Spill the T mate

DisgracefulMind

iCaliban wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Losing SHOCK REACH hurts necro, warden and ranged magplar, not flame reach. Flame clench still has a knock-back, and sorc will still be stupidly strong. How about give warden a damn usable cc?

Playnice

Agree

iCaliban

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Losing SHOCK REACH hurts necro, warden and ranged magplar, not flame reach. Flame clench still has a knock-back, and sorc will still be stupidly strong. How about give warden a damn usable cc?

Its the same skill man. Im not differentiating between the different element types, just the morph. Sorry if thats not clear.

The Destructive reach change hurts all non mag plar, mag dk mag builds. Almost all used it.

DisgracefulMind

iCaliban wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Losing SHOCK REACH hurts necro, warden and ranged magplar, not flame reach. Flame clench still has a knock-back, and sorc will still be stupidly strong. How about give warden a damn usable cc?

Its the same skill man. Im not differentiating between the different element types, just the morph. Sorry if thats not clear't .

The Destructive reach change hurts all non mag plar, mag dk mag builds. Almost all used it.

You don's understand, flame clench still has a knockback. Shock clench should have been given it, not flame clench.

Strider__Roshin

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Losing SHOCK REACH hurts necro, warden and ranged magplar, not flame reach. Flame clench still has a knock-back, and sorc will still be stupidly strong. How about give warden a damn usable cc?

Use a flame staff. You're welcome

Donnasnowheart_ESO

Big no

Drummerx04

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

With the unjust nerf to flame reach, sorcs need a reliable stun back in their arsenal. Rune cage is a meme and is in no way a replacement for flame reach.

I'm going to be the first person to point you to the UNBLOCKABLE UNDODGEABLE AOE stun that comes with the changes to streak.

With all of the preloadable burst damage on a sorc (curse, meteor, fury) and a stun that can be applied at will, sorcs should not be complaining about lack of stun potential.

You gotta be joking. Seriously? Streak? Seriously? Lmfao I'm dying over here. You have any clue how impossible it would be to use streak as a main stun. Any at all? Dude maybe all the classes before you go around just saying stuff that makes no sense

No I'm not joking. I've mained a magsorc for nearly 5 years, and Streak was my primary at will stun for most of my PvP time. Frag stun was nice, but it was far from mandatory. Streak is a good mobility skill as well, so I aways had it on my build anyway. And this patch also includes a reduction in the repeated streak cost, which makes Streak even more viable now.

Most 1v1 or 1vX fights turn into a melee brawl very quickly once LoS comes into play, and for years I would use streak to land an unblocked meteor+curse+fury+etc combo and it would generally crush the crap out of people. And this was during the time when streak was blockable. I would pull stamblades out of dodge roll or cloak constantly and it would often pressure them enough to either kill them outright or put them into resource draining mode to recover, which gives me the advantage.

And now you are telling me I can knock people out of block with streak as well? One skill that stuns through block, dodge, cloak, deals a little extra damage, goes off with little to no warning, and repositions my character? Yeah, that's really strong. If you can't see that, then that's not my problem.

iCaliban

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Crystal Blast, Streak, Flame Clench, Rune Cage, Meteor, Atronach, Scamp on class with preloaded burst.

I will go with "No" too.

You discredit your whole post by thinking crystal blast and rune cage are reliable stuns also two of your other examples are ultimates. I like the streak change but dislike the flame reach nerf. I feel like a lot of people commenting here should try to play sorc more and learn the class rather than just being angry because they got blown up by a sorc in cyro

And to be clear to all the trolls here who hate sorcs, the flame reach nerf hurts a lot more than just sorc.

Necro, warden, nightblade, ranged mag plar, all use flame reach as a primary form of CC. This nerf devastates all ranged gameplay. Not just sorc.

I just dont have a solution for the other classes.

Losing SHOCK REACH hurts necro, warden and ranged magplar, not flame reach. Flame clench still has a knock-back, and sorc will still be stupidly strong. How about give warden a damn usable cc?

Its the same skill man. Im not differentiating between the different element types, just the morph. Sorry if thats not clear't .

The Destructive reach change hurts all non mag plar, mag dk mag builds. Almost all used it.

You don's understand, flame clench still has a knockback. Shock clench should have been given it, not flame clench.

Clench is much much shorter range. Thats the point.