Did ZOS Not Learn from Morrowind?

Corpier

Do they not remember when a large portion of the endgame pve community quit when sustain was nerfed? Do they remember all the jokes and vehemence towards the "Heavy Attacks Online" meta?

Obviously they don't. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing patch notes for what looks like Morrowind on crack. Not only nerfing sustain, but healing too!

I'm almost disappointed I already discontinued my recurring subscription due to performance issues, because this deserves unsubbing over as much if not more.

khajiitNPC

Did they quit tho? All around me are familiar faces...

Kalle_Demos

I quit and unsubbed a while ago. I come and post here because I love the game and was hoping for improvement, that the team would listen to the feedback and establish dialog. But this is all more of the same. After this I doubt very much that I will play again. Everything I liked about the game has been utterly trashed and with every patch it gets worse.

RebornV3x

don't remind me of the Morowind patch lost 2 good guilds and and alot of friends even quit the game for 6 months myself I can't take this roller coaster of nerfs anymore after playing from PC beta and console day 1 might be time to leave for good.

khajiitNPC

See ya! Couldn’t have loved the game that much. Come back when you realize everything is in flux and changes happen. Either adapt or get out the way the choo choo is on the tracks and we riding this one all the way to the end. But seriously, if you truly love something you love it for its faults, you compromise, you even become humbled, you might not agree with it, you might absolutely hate it, but if you love it then it will love you back. You just have to compromise.

MojaveHeld

khajiitNPC wrote: »

See ya! Couldn’t have loved the game that much. Come back when you realize everything is in flux and changes happen. Either adapt or get out the way the choo choo is on the tracks and we riding this one all the way to the end. But seriously, if you truly love something you love it for its faults, you compromise, you even become humbled, you might not agree with it, you might absolutely hate it, but if you love it then it will love you back. You just have to compromise.

This is the opposite of ESO loving us back. After putting up with the recent performance issue, instead of thanking us for sticking by their side, ZOS just slapped us in the face and spit on us with these patch notes.

khajiitNPC

Nah. They are just showing use some tough love. Performance yes, they need to step up their game. Shaking up the Meta tho? Nah that’s just MMOs. Things change and you either roll with the changes or the changes roll over you. But I do agree they need to address the performance issues. Now that is a serious matter.

Drdeath20

Last patch was arguably the worst patch eso has ever had. This patch has some semblance of direction.

Corpier

khajiitNPC wrote: »

See ya! Couldn’t have loved the game that much. Come back when you realize everything is in flux and changes happen. Either adapt or get out the way the choo choo is on the tracks and we riding this one all the way to the end. But seriously, if you truly love something you love it for its faults, you compromise, you even become humbled, you might not agree with it, you might absolutely hate it, but if you love it then it will love you back. You just have to compromise.

This is a game, not a person. People are paying money and spending time on a product. Liking, even loving, a game's previous state or seeing the potential in it does not mean they should forgive changes that they and others will not enjoy.

They may come back to the game if it changes to something closer to what they enjoyed in the future. They might even continue to love the game inspite of its faults or continue to play for other reasons, but it is idiotic to suggest someone never loved the game because they do not enjoy its present or future state.

fastolfv_ESO

for pve you overheal so such an insane degree healing changes make sense, sadly it really messes with pvp where healing is all halved

khajiitNPC

@Corpier you’re right. Absolutely. I was being glib. Of course people should voice their disproval and air out their frustrations. And you’re correct you are paying for a product, and if you’re not enjoying it you should leave, just like in a relationship. But, what I mean to say, is that you can overcome all things. Well most things. And yes some of the game changes are baffling, but that’s MMOs. Look at all the doom and gloom posts already. Guess what. Come Monday, I’m sure PTS will be up, the numbers will come in, they will be a little bit lower, but the game will still be playable. It’s not being rude saying the good players will overcome, it’s the truth. And I won’t apologize for that. You just have to ask your self which player you are. Now if this post was about performance I would definitely be there with most of the people because that is the reality issue that effects and is detrimental the game’s health.

Turelus

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Did they quit tho? All around me are familiar faces...

Well Templar was literally unplayable and no one plays them any more, at all, no Templars in the whole game.

AlienatedGoat

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Did they quit tho? All around me are familiar faces...

Also worn out places, worn out faces.

So tired of this crap, so...so tired.

ganzaeso

I've been a subscriber since march of 2015. The patch notes made my stomach curdle. They keep referring to a standard in the notes, but never say what that standard is before introducing the changes. This just seems like blindly tossing out changes and almost every single change is a reduction in effectiveness.

I am no longer a subscriber.

Hyperion616

I don't think "I quit" means what you think it means. People who scream about quitting never truly give it up, oh they may voice their concerns for changes they don't like being made to the game but they never truly quit.

Everyone at some point in time comes back. Even when you hope they quit they don't really quit.

MartiniDaniels

ganzaeso wrote: »

I've been a subscriber since march of 2015. The patch notes made my stomach curdle. They keep referring to a standard in the notes, but never say what that standard is before introducing the changes. This just seems like blindly tossing out changes and almost every single change is a reduction in effectiveness.

I am no longer a subscriber.

They buffed single target dots and nerfed aoe dots across the board. In what resulting dps this will come out we will know only after PTS tests.

chaz

That really all depends on certain key factors. However if ultimately meaning keeping you in mind as an individual, the answer is no. Something else was learned that day.

Van_Winkle

They pour from empty to empty.

D0PAMINE

Im worried about my Tanks. I'll test on the PTS. I liked that Absorb Magicka slottable. That cost increase is just ugh. I can handle Plague and Ebon, but im close to the bare with block cost reduc. I've tanked some hard stuff without sturdy, going Infused instead. I know i'll be ripped apart on these forums for saying that (i do reccomend newer players go sturdy) but I enjoyed the extra stats and my mag recovery is about 2400 so I could hit some frag shields when I needed to while still getting a tiny bit more block cost reduction. Also, off topic but is there an add on where I can check BC reduction?

Genomic

khajiitNPC wrote: »

See ya! Couldn’t have loved the game that much. Come back when you realize everything is in flux and changes happen. Either adapt or get out the way the choo choo is on the tracks and we riding this one all the way to the end. But seriously, if you truly love something you love it for its faults, you compromise, you even become humbled, you might not agree with it, you might absolutely hate it, but if you love it then it will love you back. You just have to compromise.

It's a game, not a girlfriend. Consumers are under no obligation to put up with shoddy products.

ManwithBeard9

All of this has come about from years of Wrobel and his team making tweaks here and there skill by skill. This is Wheeler and his team looking at everything as a whole and standardizing things. Once everything gets reset back to a base point, they can then go through and tweak, buff, and nerf everything on an individual level to help with balance, counter-play, and individuality between classes. Plenty of things are over performing, plenty or things are under performing.When power creep is making the game easier for too many players, its time to bring things back down across the board to equalize things.

Reverb

Hyperion616 wrote: »

I don't think "I quit" means what you think it means. People who scream about quitting never truly give it up, oh they may voice their concerns for changes they don't like being made to the game but they never truly quit.

Everyone at some point in time comes back. Even when you hope they quit they don't really quit.

The number of previous daily players on my friends list who’ve been inactive for 2 years, and who have zero intention of returning, tells me that you’re mistaken.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

But they do need to do some not about the regen, but light attacks, they should not be the highest dps of ur skills, doing 30k dps a sec on some folks, most folks its there top damage around 25% of there dps

O_LYKOS

yeah they learnt that people threaten to leave but come straight back

Corpier

O_LYKOS wrote: »

yeah they learnt that people threaten to leave but come straight back

Really? Because some of the people I knew the longest in this game never did, and those that did come back only did after a year or more.

I don't know if it matters to them, but I imagine a year's worth of subs from enough players would add up to a pretty penny. Not to mention that those players could have bought a lot of crowns in a year...

HalvarIronfist

"Did ZOS Not Learn from Morrowind?"

You're asking this question, but you already know the answer.

Corpier

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

"Did ZOS Not Learn from Morrowind?"

You're asking this question, but you already know the answer.

The point of a rhetorical question is that the asker does indeed already know the answer.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Did they quit tho? All around me are familiar faces...

I pre-ordered Morrowind, played thru it once one my main, and left.

Only came back last week for Elsewyr, will play through it on my main, and level a Necro, and the leave until there's some more new content.

No point trying to be in an active content guild these days, because the moment you get comfortable with the new "balance" and re-gear up for the 4th time, you'll have to do it all again.

They change too much, too far, too often to have a sustainable level of engagement with the game.

And, in my opinion, they do that because they really don't know what they are doing.

Morrowind combat rebalance demonstrated that beyond doubt.


All The Best

VirtualElizabeth

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

for pve you overheal so such an insane degree healing changes make sense, sadly it really messes with pvp where healing is all halved

I was hearing exactly the opposite in one of my guilds. They were complaining this was because of the "heal bots" in PvP. Most of the heal bots I come across are Stam builds so they don't use Healing Springs.

nafensoriel

Corpier wrote: »

Do they not remember when a large portion of the endgame pve community quit when sustain was nerfed? Do they remember all the jokes and vehemence towards the "Heavy Attacks Online" meta?

Obviously they don't. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing patch notes for what looks like Morrowind on crack. Not only nerfing sustain, but healing too!

I'm almost disappointed I already discontinued my recurring subscription due to performance issues, because this deserves unsubbing over as much if not more.

Yes, they noticed a lot of "toxic people" quit. They also noticed they gained 5 players for every 1 that left.
If the games growing they are "obviously" doing what the majority of their customers want.
If the game is evolving beyond what you want out of it move on. No one said you have to chain yourself to a game man.

Kel

Turelus wrote: »

khajiitNPC wrote: »

Did they quit tho? All around me are familiar faces...

Well Templar was literally unplayable and no one plays them any more, at all, no Templars in the whole game.

Ok, this almost made me spit out my drink all over my desk....

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