Mutagen vs. Rapid Regeneration

Seraphayel

Hey there, I know this is a frequent topic both for PvE and PvP but I like discussion about it. And this time with a poll!

So what are your Pros and Cons for either of the morphs?

Which one do you use / prefer for battlegrounds and Cyrodiil (does it make a difference for you)?

What convinced you to use take the one morph over the other?

Pinesy

Mutagen

Mutagen in all aspects. The purge and instant heal consume is more important than just more healing.

Iskiab

Rapid Regeneration

Rapid regen; removing one negative effect is meaningless in pvp, the hot amount on mutagen is too small to do anything, and the health condition heal is the only decent thing about mutagen.

Thraben

Rapid Regeneration

Mutagen purges only people who are dead anyway in the moment the effect kicks in (peope will try to execute you when you fall below 40% life and some even earlier), while rapid regeneration can rightly be called a vital leeching tool, because it milks more AP out of the doomed player it is applied to before s/he dies. So, for leeching purposes, rapid is better.


Or - is this supposed to be a discussion about a skill a real healer would use ?

Morgul667

Mutagen

Mutagen

jadarock

Had this discussion with a knowledgeable guildie not long ago and he told me to use mutagen. I'm curious to see the results here

wheem_ESO

They're both extremely bad against decent players that actually have damage. The only real value in either morph is triggering the Transmutation set if you're wearing it and don't have a reliable HOT effect.

yodased

Rapid regen for ticks under a shield while you turtle or streak away on a solo build.

Mutagen for heal/tanking pve on a character without pvp experience or a templar.

oxygen_thief

Mutagen

mutagen has a burst healing

Seraphayel

Mutagen

Very interesting, it’s 50:50 at this point.

Does somebody know the conditions for Mutagen‘s burst heal? Does it have a CD? Can it be procced several times in a row? Does it proc on multiple people, e.g. when I have cast Mutagen on 5 players and they all drop under 20% at once, do all 5 get directly healed and removed one negative effect?

TheYKcid

I'd say it's 50/50 under typical conditions. But if you're backbarring a vMA resto, you definitely want RR.

Derra

Rapid Regeneration

TheYKcid wrote: »

I'd say it's 50/50 under typical conditions. But if you're backbarring a vMA resto, you definitely want RR.

This is somewhat incorrect.

Mutagen can procc precise regeneration every 2nd tick and has the chance to procc it 6x during it´s duration.
RR can procc it only every 3rd tick and because of this also only 4x.

Cathexis

Both are good, depending on what you need them for.

GhostofDatthaw

Mutagen

Speaking from a magnb perspective it's mutagen all the way. The small burst will pull me out of execute now that healing ward can't and let's dark cloak do its work. And as a cloak blade when under agro that purge and heal has lead to some amazing escapes

Wing

Rapid Regeneration

rapid regen

when mutagen procs it consumes the buff, meaning if you get to low health you get a wet fart of a heal and your hot just went away.

when I cast rapids I know I have a hot on me till its duration is up, and if all goes well its heal should help keep me from getting in the situation of being at critical low hp in the first place.

GhostofDatthaw

Mutagen

Wing wrote: »

rapid regen

when mutagen procs it consumes the buff, meaning if you get to low health you get a wet fart of a heal and your hot just went away.

when I cast rapids I know I have a hot on me till its duration is up, and if all goes well its heal should help keep me from getting in the situation of being at critical low hp in the first place.

I wouldn't quite call it a wet fart. I know a lot of people feel that way. Imo that heal is amazing, especially if you keep it up after the burst. It is a great safety net heal and the purge can come in handy.

All fromagnb perspective

TheYKcid

Derra wrote: »

TheYKcid wrote: »

I'd say it's 50/50 under typical conditions. But if you're backbarring a vMA resto, you definitely want RR.

This is somewhat incorrect.

Mutagen can procc precise regeneration every 2nd tick and has the chance to procc it 6x during it´s duration.
RR can procc it only every 3rd tick and because of this also only 4x.

Assuming it procs on cooldown. Which is obviously not a realistic expectation, since it's RNG-dependant due to the requirement for crits.

RR ticks at a higher rate, and therefore provides more opportunities to proc the set effect.

Your comparison also doesn't account for the duration disparity. Of course Muta could potentially have more procs per unit cast, simply because it lasts for longer. In reality, you'd be refreshing the buff on cooldown, so this ceases to be a factor.

You're also not considering the possibility of Mutagen beung consumed prematurely due to falling below the HP threshold.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Mutagen

@Wing i have seen that "wet fart" hit for 18k.

Derra

Rapid Regeneration

TheYKcid wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

TheYKcid wrote: »

I'd say it's 50/50 under typical conditions. But if you're backbarring a vMA resto, you definitely want RR.

This is somewhat incorrect.

Mutagen can procc precise regeneration every 2nd tick and has the chance to procc it 6x during it´s duration.
RR can procc it only every 3rd tick and because of this also only 4x.

Assuming it procs on cooldown. Which is obviously not a realistic expectation, since it's RNG-dependant due to the requirement for crits.

RR ticks at a higher rate, and therefore provides more opportunities to proc the set effect.

Your comparison also doesn't account for the duration disparity. Of course Muta could potentially have more procs per unit cast, simply because it lasts for longer. In reality, you'd be refreshing the buff on cooldown, so this ceases to be a factor.

You're also not considering the possibility of Mutagen beung consumed prematurely due to falling below the HP threshold.

RR ticks at a higher rate but it´s proccrate does not align with the cooldown of precise regeneration. So in reality it barely helps if it isn´t outright harmful.
RR ticks every 1.5s and can procc every 3rd tick.
Mutagen ticks every 2s and cann procc every 2nd tick.

The duration disparity is precisely what my comparison is ALL about. It´s about how much magica is potentially gained over the cost of the spell in the first place.
This is what makes mutagen better for proccing it from a sustain perpective which is my entire point.

Mutagen proccing is always a win from my perspective - so ofc i don´t consider that - i mean if you´re dead bc of RR it doesn´t procc either does it (not that it happens often bc of the procc delay).

exeeter702

Mutagen

Speaking from a NB healer perspective, a build that adheres to multiple hots, in this case refreshing path, siphoning attacks, swallow soul, bogdan, mutagen is the better morph imo because if you are brought to that under 20 percent threshold, it pops immediately, not on next tick interval. Coupled with the other hots, it floats your hp decently and is a slight buffer since in no cp it crits for around 8 to 9k. The cleanse is admittedly "whatever" most of the time.