New Dev Team

Steel-256

Could you guys imagine this game in the hands of Blizzard or Rockstar dev team? Or any other dev team besides ours? Maybe then we would get some stuff fixed! Can I get a yayuh!

Siohwenoeht

Well, maybe 10 years ago... Blizzard is a hot mess since the merger/acquisition and I'm afraid that we'd end up with dwemer motorbikes and handheld auto-crossbows if Rockstar were running the show.

MLGProPlayer

The problem isn't the dev team. It's the engine.

Cadbury

Imagine if ESO was taken over by BioWare with EA.

Turelus

I've imagined it in the hands of CCP. However changing teams or companies has pros and cons.

Steel-256

I believe the problem is our dev team, for one a lot of changes are made that most do not want, and get ignored. But opinions are for everyone and yes I do agree the engine and servers need work

BlueRaven

Normally the development teams and the teams that are in charge of actually programming/bugs are different, correct?

I think the real issue is that the programming team is very small, or only exists on a contractual basis. If it's the later, then whenever they hire a new contractor they have to get up to speed with whatever the earlier programmer did, which takes time.

It's not really the devs team fault.It's whoever is running the business. They need to invest in strengthening their programming department.

Siohwenoeht

BlueRaven wrote: »

Normally the development teams and the teams that are in charge of actually programming/bugs are different, correct?

I think the real issue is that the programming team is very small, or only exists on a contractual basis. If it's the later, then whenever they hire a new contractor they have to get up to speed with whatever the earlier programmer did, which takes time.

It's not really the devs team fault.It's whoever is running the business. They need to invest in strengthening their programming department.

Hit the nail on the head here. It's like some other threads with people asking for a year worth of fixes instead of new content. Content team is different from the bug fix/coding team, which is different than the marketing team, which is different from the combat team, which is different from the customer service team etc etc ad nauseum.

A major hurdle for anyone currently working at Zos, from what I understand, hardly any of the original coders are left so they have to continuously try the marry new code into old. Where the old code has become a tangled mess, they have no one to explain how to untangle it, without causing an issue further along.

Zathras

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

The problem isn't the dev team. It's the engine.

It's management.

darthgummibear_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

I've imagined it in the hands of CCP. However changing teams or companies has pros and cons.

CCP is actually a horrible company. They got marginally lucky for a while with that space game of theirs, and are surviving by a niche spreadsheet crowd.

Koronach

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

The problem isn't the dev team. It's the engine.

MartiniDaniels

You want to replace Todd with Bobby Kotick or what do you mean?

Nemesis7884

because red dead online is so amazing or the recent wow updates?

daemonios

Zathras wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

The problem isn't the dev team. It's the engine.

It's management.

This right here. A bad engine might be fixed, slowly and steadily, if management ponied up for the work.

ESO has turned into the new standard for games: an infinite money printer. All ZOS need is to have a working storefront with people buying enough Clowns. That's what we're getting, nothing more.

Varaug_Gaming

imagine eso having loot boxes that get mailed to you ingame and give you a chance to obtain overpowered buffs like +20k defenses, +4k spell/weapon damage for 30 minutes or something

can you imagine how pvp looks like?

oxygen_thief

BlueRaven wrote: »

They need to invest in strengthening their programming department.

invest - this word is forbidden for zos.

Zypheran

This thread should be closed as it serves no purpose other than bashing ZOS employees.

Veles

And I am sure that our developers have a problem with the marketing department
- Quicker faster, faster, we need to release a new DLC!
- But we have not yet fixed bugs from the previous one...
- There is no time for this! Money, we lose money! And decorate that horse in green color, we will sell it for 5k crowns.

Morgul667

Wait... we have devs?

Turelus

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I've imagined it in the hands of CCP. However changing teams or companies has pros and cons.

CCP is actually a horrible company. They got marginally lucky for a while with that space game of theirs, and are surviving by a niche spreadsheet crowd.

Hence the pros and cons.

As you can't really knock CCP for the communication and engagement with the community.

Tigerseye

If we're talking the company that Blizzard were when they were producing stuff for MoP, then that would almost certainly be an improvement.

If we're talking the company they became, while producing stuff for WoD, then no thank you.

Total switch.

jazsper77

its Not the Engine Btw(20yr Naval IT )
I’d love to see DE take over ESO.

But back on topic
DE (Digital Extemes) aka Warframe
1. 5x the player base
2. Bugs non existent
3. Founder and have never experienced lag or disconnects
4. Larger world, infinite inventory,can actually do all of your missions,dailies,etc from your ship (housing) imagine your housing actually being useful?
5. Steve and crew are leagues above ESO DEV TEAM and no debate about that.
6. Rebecca and crew absolutely own ESO community relations no offense to Gina and crew.
7. Oh and DE actually plays all there content.
8. DE dev streams put ESO live to shame
9. DE smaller company with smaller dev team puts a leagues better game then ESO.
10. Have there own Tenno Con which sells out in an hr.

KappaKid83

I am one of the biggest people against the current state of the game concerning the dev teams and the community managers(check my comments, I am frustrated with a lot right now) but I am not necessarily of the mind it is the talent of the Devs that is the issue. Rather I think it is an issue with the way the direction of the parent company is going.

A great example of positive changes to a community/game right now would be Destiny 2. They address their ENTIRE community with a weekly newsletter, they have realized their mistakes immediately(for the most part) as far as balancing goes and make effective changes in very short order. And now that Bungie is going in house instead of with Activision it seems they care MORE, which is crazy, but everything they have done since announcing the new game patch in September has been extremely positive to the games ecosystem and player base it is crazy.

Now with ZOS we all have this feel that micro transactions and cosmetics are king and the actual community and gameplay are both so far down the list that they can't even see them on their radar. I wish this wasn't true, I love this game, but the direction of the game/community is not there enough for me to spend more money and spend time in game until something is changed drastically on both fronts.

WeerW3ir

Imagine the game made by ubisoft. 🥖🥖🥖🥖

theyancey

Just NO. This forum has become nothing more than Elder Trolls Online.

Deathlord92

After the wow mess Diablo mobile sorry but I don’t want blizzard anywhere near my elder scrolls no way just a fat solid no from me.

Mettaricana

Zypheran wrote: »

This thread should be closed as it serves no purpose other than bashing ZOS employees.

If no one bashes them then their doing a good job if theres bashing room there's room for improvement.

Ratzkifal

Imagine it in the hands of CD Project Red...

pattyLtd

I dont think this would fix anything, definetly not on short notice.

Eso is huge and programming is difficult and any new dev would probably need 6 months to a year to get fully productional, it’s that difficult to jump in a huge codebase created by others.

I feel sorry for the actual developers of ESO because i am almost certain they know very well about the problems but they simply dont get the time to properly fix things because we expect new content every 3 months and the stakeholders expect their millions to keep flooding in.

They have to somehow get a grip on the performance issues now though because its getting real close to being unplayable since Elsewyr (PS4 EU).

I love ESO more then any other game I ever played by far, i think ZoS do a good job in general but the bug list desperately needs some attention now.

It’s time for quality over quantity untill things run like they used too or close anyway.

Starlock

Steel-256 wrote: »

Can I get a yayuh!

No.

WuffyCerulei

Cadbury wrote: »

Imagine if ESO was taken over by BioWare with EA.

O boi that could be either really good or really bad. On one hand, you have Dragon Age. But then there’s Anthem.