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Anyone else feeling that TTC is bad for consumers.
jdamuso
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I am seeing a trend of items that are needed being bought up at low prices and sold at high prices which is normal. But what is not, while using TTC to locate said items these popular items are being bought up in under 10 minutes and reprice 300 - 3000%
And thus im kinda feeling as if the allowance of the add-on is just plain ruining the game economy, and not helping it at all.
Maybe it was better when you had to search for it on foot hey. Get a chance to not spend 3000% mark ups.
And thus im kinda feeling as if the allowance of the add-on is just plain ruining the game economy, and not helping it at all.
Maybe it was better when you had to search for it on foot hey. Get a chance to not spend 3000% mark ups.
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Couldn't make a buck on pc before i transferred to ps4 when it launched. MM had everything worthless at the time no mods on console markets pretty stable now2 -
jdamuso✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Couldn't make a buck on pc before i transferred to ps4 when it launched. MM had everything worthless at the time no mods on console markets pretty stable now
The thread is not about the fairness to sellers though. the question is the fairness to consumers.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.Edited by Linaleah on June 24, 2019 10:56PMdirty worthless casual.
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Considering primarily consumers use TTC, what are you trying to accomplish
Flippers will check on out of the way places no matter what. Regular buyers only pop in when they see something cheap.
Every time I try to give the small guilds some business, I’m the only one there, and everything is somehow horrendously overpriced, not even by a small amount. Motifs are like 5-10k over averageEdited by Jhalin on June 24, 2019 10:56PM9 -
jdamuso✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
TTC uploads my sales the second i relog.3 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
TTC uploads my sales the second i relog.
did you check of your listings actualy show up on the website? because mind don't. it uploads yes, but it doesn't update.dirty worthless casual.
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jdamuso✭✭✭✭Considering primarily consumers use TTC, what are you trying to accomplish
Flippers will check on out of the way places no matter what. Regular buyers only pop in when they see something cheap.
Every time I try to give the small guilds some business, I’m the only one there, and everything is somehow horrendously overpriced, not even by a small amount. Motifs are like 5-10k over average
well im trying to ask, if it were more fair if it was local markets instead of global, like how it was intended in the first place. Being maybe more likely to find better deals in less populated traders. yet. TTC takes that away entirely
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jdamuso✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
TTC uploads my sales the second i relog.
did you check of your listings actualy show up on the website? because mind don't. it uploads yes, but it doesn't update.
i didnt think 1 hour vs ten minutes was that big a difference to be honest, i think this is off topic0 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
TTC uploads my sales the second i relog.
This ^^.......
Post items, scan store, /reloadui, withn minutes your item will be on TTC web site! 😀
Edit :- The store scan isn't really needed, I just do it so my older listings also get refreshed on the web site.Edited by freespirit on June 24, 2019 11:07PMWhen people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
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jdamuso✭✭✭✭I think youve made some valid points, maybe i am going the wrong route with this. Perhaps an easier solution would be items to be account bound upon purchase would help it.
"flippers" as you say, dont seem to be keeping a fair market for players. Making it a market where unless you have oodles of money you cannot compete.
A casual player, or a new player hardly stands a chance to buy an item that is being horrendously marked up by aggressive flippers.
Or hey any other solutions would be great.2 -
Merlight✭✭✭✭✭well im trying to ask, if it were more fair if it was local markets instead of global, like how it was intended in the first place. Being maybe more likely to find better deals in less populated traders. yet. TTC takes that away entirely
The fragmentation of local markets is unfair by design. Global market, with rapid price discovery, would be fairer. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion. TTC goes halfway, taking away "immersion" while helping with price discovery a bit.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it destroys the ability for people to sell items for prices they want to.
and instead, people are forced into seeing 1 price as a standard, that cuts out the small guy and forces many into a position they don't want.
Both customers and buyers are hurt from that method.
if i want to know what something is worth, ill look at what seems standard in the guild stores, and make the decision for myself, Not the Price that's forced on me in zone chat.
purchases are private between the buyer and the seller, those purchases and the price of those items should never be a Public event.
influencing the outcome and decision of prices and price standards is simply biased and wrong.1 -
LucyferLightbringer✭✭✭✭✭TTC makes splitting into trade guilds pointless. Might as well have one big market for all.0
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✭I tried using the website before but most of the time the items are no longer there or if there are quadrupled in price. If I need to buy an item I shop in a few one off cities like Evermore or Shornhelm. You can usually find what you want for better prices at the smaller hub cities.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
jdamuso✭✭✭✭LucyferLightbringer wrote: »TTC makes splitting into trade guilds pointless. Might as well have one big market for all.
I agree with this. We should just have a global auction house if we are going that route.
As that was not implemented by the game, ESO had a unique market style before this.
As well as making the Trade guild market extremely cut-throat, ive seen at least three trade guild dissolved in the past few months because they could no longer hold their trader.
Kinda feels more like living in America than Tamriel.
We dont have cell phone and a stock exchange in Tamriel. Why should the market be global.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't buy much from traders. Sometimes a motif if I have a writ, and don't know the relevant motif. Mostly I just buy at Vivec - usually with TTC the items (even if you sort by last seen instead of price) will not be there, and I'm just not into wayshrining around Tamriel to find stuff I can almost always find at one of the Vivec stalls. Definitely a case where my time is worth more than gold, which I have plenty of anyway.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
TTC uploads my sales the second i relog.
did you check of your listings actualy show up on the website? because mind don't. it uploads yes, but it doesn't update.
i didnt think 1 hour vs ten minutes was that big a difference to be honest, i think this is off topic
when it comes to your complaint - its very much on topic. you are claiming that TTC is hurting consumers, because people are using it to snipe lower priced items, before consumer can buy them. and i'm telling you that they are NOT using TTC to snipe items. people reselling for profit are looking the old fashioned way, by going to each and every trader on foot. TTC helps consumers to find mid range priced items that are not as common though.
it also doesn't make trading guilds in any way, shape or form obsolete. most people are NOT going around from trader to trader, searching for a deal. most consumers just go to their favorite hub and shop there. TTC has been around for a while. and I can STILL see the difference in sheer amount of transactions, between different locations (i'm in 2 trading guilds).Sylvermynx wrote: »I don't buy much from traders. Sometimes a motif if I have a writ, and don't know the relevant motif. Mostly I just buy at Vivec - usually with TTC the items (even if you sort by last seen instead of price) will not be there, and I'm just not into wayshrining around Tamriel to find stuff I can almost always find at one of the Vivec stalls. Definitely a case where my time is worth more than gold, which I have plenty of anyway.
case in point.Edited by Linaleah on June 24, 2019 11:28PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭You don't state whether you are EU or NA, I'm wondering because I don't see the sort of mark ups you are describing on EU and I use TTC to shop all the time.
However that being said, I usually know exactly what I'm looking to buy, have a general idea of the present market price and always start with the cheapest(often by far the oldest) listing first.
If I cannot find what I want at a price I'm willing to pay, I wait a few hours or the next day and try again, sure flipper's do take advantage of TTC but that ability is available to all of us. 😀When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
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✭✭✭✭✭And this is what I and a bunch of others have been saying. Nothing ever prevented someone from doing the rounds of traders and cornering the market on certain highly-sought-after goods. Addons and websites like TTC only make it easier and closer to a de facto auction house. If you want to prevent flipping, you need rules for it, whether you have a marked based on guild traders or on an auction house.0 -
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✭✭TTC is used by the best sellers, the ones trading the most and making the most profit. So its obviously bad for the consumer who is looking for a deal.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
Edited by Dragonnord on June 25, 2019 12:06AM0 -
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✭✭I never buy something without using TTC first. My first time looking for an item was hell and I hated it before I found out about TTC. I saw probably one dozen loading screens before finding a trader with the item in stock at a price I could afford.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
by your own admission it doesn't update your listings immediately.
also... consider for a moment that there are multiple people doing the reselling thing independently from each other. and trust me, they are NOT using TTC to do it. they are in the right place at the right time. and part of the reason i know it is because i've gone searching for deals WITHOUT using TTC and i've found a few nice ones when going around the world and guess what? those deals weren't even listed on TTC at the time of my buying them.
consider... for a moment, since TTC doesn't update based on sales, but rather based on scanned listing - that the listing that shows up on a website? was uploaded by the very person who just bought it . becasue that happens quite often.
TTC adds a fair bit of convenience for the consumer actualy. as long as you are using it for general ballpark of where something not common may be - its pretty good. but it is NOT as useful for looking for deals. for those? you still have to look the old fashioned way - by going from trader to trader on foot and hoping you are in the right place at the right time. the way it works on consoles and the way it worked before TTC and still working WITH TTC.Edited by Linaleah on June 25, 2019 12:32AMdirty worthless casual.
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
by your own admission it doesn't update your listings immediately.
also... consider for a moment that there are multiple people doing the reselling thing independently from each other. and trust me, they are NOT using TTC to do it. they are in the right place at the right time. and part of the reason i know it is because i've gone searching for deals WITHOUT using TTC and i've found a few nice ones when going around the world and guess what? those deals weren't even listed on TTC at the time of my buying them.
consider... for a moment, since TTC doesn't update based on sales, but rather based on scanned listing - that the listing that shows up on a website? was uploaded by the very person who just bought it . becasue that happens quite often.
TTC adds a fair bit of convenience for the consumer actualy. as long as you are using it for general ballpark of where something not common may be - its pretty good. but it is NOT as useful for looking for deals. for those? you still have to look the old fashioned way - by going from trader to trader on foot and hoping you are in the right place at the right time. the way it works on consoles and the way it worked before TTC and still working WITH TTC.
Yeah. Spare me from the "old fashioned way". I'll just check the Vivec traders when I need something, and buy it from whichever one's cheapest.0 -
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✭Dragonnord wrote: »And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
Actually they do. And note the plural, there are many flipper trying to find good flipping deals, chances are that any given trader was visited by at least one in the last hour. And they are not looking for a specific item, they are looking for anything added recently which can be sold with profit, generally if an item is posted with more than 25-30% margin it will be picked up soon. If you look for a specific item, you will have much more success if you try for the ones with max 15-20% below average price, they usually not enough profit for a flipper to bother with.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
by your own admission it doesn't update your listings immediately.
also... consider for a moment that there are multiple people doing the reselling thing independently from each other. and trust me, they are NOT using TTC to do it. they are in the right place at the right time. and part of the reason i know it is because i've gone searching for deals WITHOUT using TTC and i've found a few nice ones when going around the world and guess what? those deals weren't even listed on TTC at the time of my buying them.
consider... for a moment, since TTC doesn't update based on sales, but rather based on scanned listing - that the listing that shows up on a website? was uploaded by the very person who just bought it . becasue that happens quite often.
TTC adds a fair bit of convenience for the consumer actualy. as long as you are using it for general ballpark of where something not common may be - its pretty good. but it is NOT as useful for looking for deals. for those? you still have to look the old fashioned way - by going from trader to trader on foot and hoping you are in the right place at the right time. the way it works on consoles and the way it worked before TTC and still working WITH TTC.
Yeah. Spare me from the "old fashioned way". I'll just check the Vivec traders when I need something, and buy it from whichever one's cheapest.
pretty much. even for myself, 90% of the time I might bounce between 3-4 major trading centers at most. half the time i just check my own trading guilds at whatever banker i happen to be at, at the time and buy it from them if the item i'm looking for is available. when its NOT available, I might check TTC, to at least narrow down the search parameters for the item I'm looking for. (a lot of times i'm looking for a rareish furnishing recipe or a motif, so TTC has been pretty helpful for that as its not typically something that is listed on every single trader)
item flippers though don't search for items to flip on TTC. they do the old fashioned "go from trader to trader, sort by most recently posted and buy if its enough bellow average market price to be worth flipping" and even for that - they tend to use Master merchant data, NOT TTC data.Edited by Linaleah on June 25, 2019 12:47AMdirty worthless casual.
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TTC is good for consumers.
Arbitrage is good for average consumers in that it promotes efficient markets.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
by your own admission it doesn't update your listings immediately.
also... consider for a moment that there are multiple people doing the reselling thing independently from each other. and trust me, they are NOT using TTC to do it. they are in the right place at the right time. and part of the reason i know it is because i've gone searching for deals WITHOUT using TTC and i've found a few nice ones when going around the world and guess what? those deals weren't even listed on TTC at the time of my buying them.
consider... for a moment, since TTC doesn't update based on sales, but rather based on scanned listing - that the listing that shows up on a website? was uploaded by the very person who just bought it . becasue that happens quite often.
TTC adds a fair bit of convenience for the consumer actualy. as long as you are using it for general ballpark of where something not common may be - its pretty good. but it is NOT as useful for looking for deals. for those? you still have to look the old fashioned way - by going from trader to trader on foot and hoping you are in the right place at the right time. the way it works on consoles and the way it worked before TTC and still working WITH TTC.
Yeah. Spare me from the "old fashioned way". I'll just check the Vivec traders when I need something, and buy it from whichever one's cheapest.
item flippers though don't search for items to flip on TTC. they do the old fashioned "go from trader to trader, sort by most recently posted and buy if its enough bellow average market price to be worth flipping" and even for that - they tend to use Master merchant data, NOT TTC data.
Well, that's a crap way to use in game time but each to her own I guess.Edited by Sylvermynx on June 25, 2019 12:49AM0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »I don't think you understand how TTC works. it does NOT update in Real time. information has to get uploaded and then processed and posted and there is a gap of at least an hour or more between the item getting scanned in game and the item showing up on the website.
people who are buying up those inexpensive items? are buying them the old fashioned way, while hoofing it around on foot and chances are - that posting you see on TTC website? is from an uploaded info by the very person who bought the lower priced item in a first place. TTC is NOT a centralized trade house. its at best - a snapshot of listings on any given day. delayed snapshot.
its useful for finding obscure items at mid range prices. it is very useless for finding deals to resell. the more in demand the item in question is? the less useful TTC is for buying it on a cheap.
It doesn't work like this at all. I have published items to sell in guild store and TTC website updates it 5 or 10 minutes later.
And there is this motif piece I'm looking for daily and as soon as TTC shows it (10 or 15' minutes), I have run to it dozens of times as soon as I early see it in TTC but someone was faster than me, always. And don't tell me someone is constantly running to EVERY SINGLE guild stand in whole Tamriel non-stop (without eating, sleeping, bio-break, nothing) looking for this specific item, as there are hundreds of stands in Tamriel and it's simply not possible. Unless this is the MOST LUCKY MAN IN THE WORLD that always find the exact stand where this item is posted without using TTC.
And this exact situation has happened to me several times with several specific expensive items as soon as they appear in TTC with a lower price than normal.
No one is visiting EVERY SINGLE stand in Tamriel as to get this item every single time it is posted with a low price.
I don't know if the addon creator, or friends, or don't know who nor how, someome is getting CLEAR advantage of TTC, unfairly.
by your own admission it doesn't update your listings immediately.
also... consider for a moment that there are multiple people doing the reselling thing independently from each other. and trust me, they are NOT using TTC to do it. they are in the right place at the right time. and part of the reason i know it is because i've gone searching for deals WITHOUT using TTC and i've found a few nice ones when going around the world and guess what? those deals weren't even listed on TTC at the time of my buying them.
consider... for a moment, since TTC doesn't update based on sales, but rather based on scanned listing - that the listing that shows up on a website? was uploaded by the very person who just bought it . becasue that happens quite often.
TTC adds a fair bit of convenience for the consumer actualy. as long as you are using it for general ballpark of where something not common may be - its pretty good. but it is NOT as useful for looking for deals. for those? you still have to look the old fashioned way - by going from trader to trader on foot and hoping you are in the right place at the right time. the way it works on consoles and the way it worked before TTC and still working WITH TTC.
Yeah. Spare me from the "old fashioned way". I'll just check the Vivec traders when I need something, and buy it from whichever one's cheapest.
item flippers though don't search for items to flip on TTC. they do the old fashioned "go from trader to trader, sort by most recently posted and buy if its enough bellow average market price to be worth flipping" and even for that - they tend to use Master merchant data, NOT TTC data.
Well, that's a crap way to use in game time but each to her own I guess.
people who do this - for them this IS the game
its what they enjoy doing. it really is to each their own, and its part of what i like about the game, there is something for just about everyone. i mean... some people think that its a crap way to use the time in reference to my personaly spending hours of time on placing some bookshelves and vases and flowers JUST so :P /shrug dirty worthless casual.
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