Is it possible to kill twilight matriarch on mag necro?

Neloth

Just the title

SirAndy

Wut?

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

Inb4 sorc rage - it’s not a nerf sorc thread, just the discussion about possible counterplay from mag necro side

brandonv516

Neloth wrote: »

Inb4 sorc rage - it’s not a nerf sorc thread, just the discussion about possible counterplay from mag necro side

Your options suggest otherwise...

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

brandonv516 wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

Inb4 sorc rage - it’s not a nerf sorc thread, just the discussion about possible counterplay from mag necro side

Your options suggest otherwise...

Nah

Sometimes you see a nerf sorc thread, but it’s not there

I know, that happens

leepalmer95

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorc

All these with immov pot up, to prevent getting counter CCed

On magcro it just doesn’t work in my opinion, since 90% of skills are AoE based

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

Those voting yes, care to explain how?

Should I just bring friends to Xvs1 him?

leepalmer95

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorc

All these with immov pot up, to prevent getting counter CCed

On magcro it just doesn’t work in my opinion, since 90% of skills are AoE based

Except mag sorcs now have 26k-30k hp and you can't really burst them. If they have cc immunity they'll just recast and you can't do anything.

wheem_ESO

It's technically possible with a spammable and light attack weaving, but you're going to burn through a lot of resources for no real benefit. The only non-AOE skill you'll have besides a spammable is the Skeletal Mage (don't morph it for PvP, it just downgrades an already terrible skill). And with the extremely low damage and inability to choose the "pet's" target, it isn't worth using.

katorga

No

Way to go Nerf Sorc Brigade; you made sorcs stronger.

grannas211

Trying for the worst thread of the day championship? Valiant effort.

evoniee

Yes

easy to kill amateur magsorc's pet.
almost impossible to kill a pro magsorc's pet due to the extreme heal, shield and teleporting (instant move when to far from the user)

Derra

evoniee wrote: »

easy to kill amateur magsorc's pet.
almost impossible to kill a pro magsorc's pet due to the extreme heal, shield and teleporting (instant move when to far from the user)

If the latter happens the sorc isn´t fighting you though?

Insco851

No

Derra wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

easy to kill amateur magsorc's pet.
almost impossible to kill a pro magsorc's pet due to the extreme heal, shield and teleporting (instant move when to far from the user)

If the latter happens the sorc isn´t fighting you though?

They do this waiting for people to disengage and then turn around and burst kids.

You let off- they turn around.

LordTareq

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorcerer

Nope...
Killing the pet is a waste of time and resources that you can't afford to waste vs a competent sorcerer.

As for the ridiculous poll, obviously it's possible to kill the pet if you focus on that. For any class including necromancer.

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorcerer

Nope...
Killing the pet is a waste of time and resources that you can't afford to waste vs a competent sorcerer.

As for the ridiculous poll, obviously it's possible to kill the pet if you focus on that. For any class including necromancer.

Enlighten me, how should I do it on mag necro? with spammable and light attacks? Should the sorc be afk?

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

evoniee wrote: »

easy to kill amateur magsorc's pet.
almost impossible to kill a pro magsorc's pet due to the extreme heal, shield and teleporting (instant move when to far from the user)

Now I really want to hear your definition of "pro magsorc". Is that a sorc who frequently casts hardened and watches what his opponent is actually doing (e.g. if he is focuses a pet or him)?

Hotdog_23

Yes

Yes, but there is no point in it really. You just waste time and resource’s going after the pet.

What I want is for sorcerer’s pets to get the same treatment as Necro’s and disappear after 8/16 seconds. Or at least be redesigned to work the same way.

Betty_Booms

Los the sorc let the matriach follow and burst it down...

Emma_Overload

Yes

What makes a petsorc "pro" in my opinion is how well he deals with players who (try to) kill the pets. I love running with Tormentor Twilight and Clannfear because they always try to kill the Twilight first in the mistaken belief that they are blocking you from healing.

Insco851

No

Emma_Overload wrote: »

What makes a petsorc "pro" in my opinion is how well he deals with players who (try to) kill the pets. I love running with Tormentor Twilight and Clannfear because they always try to kill the Twilight first in the mistaken belief that they are blocking you from healing.

Tell em emma, tell em how broken this bs is!

wheem_ESO

Betty_Booms wrote: »

Los the sorc let the matriach follow and burst it down...

Even if we assume the pet doesn't do the teleporting + instant-full-health-reset to move back to the Sorcerer, it's difficult to "burst it down" on a Magicka Necromancer, which was the point the OP was making. You basically have nothing but Light Attack + Spammable to deal with it (and if you're using Shock Clench with a Master Staff, you don't even get the spammable half of that equation).

LordTareq

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

Neloth wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorcerer

Nope...
Killing the pet is a waste of time and resources that you can't afford to waste vs a competent sorcerer.

As for the ridiculous poll, obviously it's possible to kill the pet if you focus on that. For any class including necromancer.

Enlighten me, how should I do it on mag necro? with spammable and light attacks? Should the sorc be afk?

Same way you kill an enemy player as a magicka necromancer...
And no it's not that easy, not for any class really as hardened ward also shields the pet. Which brings us back to the point, why would you try to kill the pet?

wheem_ESO

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorcerer

Nope...
Killing the pet is a waste of time and resources that you can't afford to waste vs a competent sorcerer.

As for the ridiculous poll, obviously it's possible to kill the pet if you focus on that. For any class including necromancer.

Enlighten me, how should I do it on mag necro? with spammable and light attacks? Should the sorc be afk?

Same way you kill an enemy player as a magicka necromancer...
And no it's not that easy, not for any class really as hardened ward also shields the pet. Which brings us back to the point, why would you try to kill the pet?

You would use the Blastbones on an enemy player (and cross your fingers, hoping that it actually connects in a halfway reasonable timeframe...which it probably won't). But since the Blastbones counts as an AOE attack, it won't do anything meaningful to the pet, if it even manages to land.

Magicka Necromancer's offense is garbage in general, and even worse against pets. Accidentally targeting a pet with the Blastbones is supremely annoying; the skeleton gets confused enough without the target teleporting around, and going a full 8 seconds without it doing anything really gimps your ability to do damage. And, as I said above, even if it does connect with the enemy pet the damage is going to be drastically less than 1 light attack.

Waffennacht

It's a trick question.

Mag Necro struggles to kill anything

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Does it matter?

if you somehow get the shield and kill the tanky pet, they'll just resummon it and you'll just have to stand there as they do.

On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorcerer

Nope...
Killing the pet is a waste of time and resources that you can't afford to waste vs a competent sorcerer.

As for the ridiculous poll, obviously it's possible to kill the pet if you focus on that. For any class including necromancer.

Enlighten me, how should I do it on mag necro? with spammable and light attacks? Should the sorc be afk?

Same way you kill an enemy player as a magicka necromancer...
And no it's not that easy, not for any class really as hardened ward also shields the pet. Which brings us back to the point, why would you try to kill the pet?

Against enemy players my magcro has a fairly good toolkit : blastbones, one of 2 aoe class ults, elemental blockade, dawnbreaker, pulsar. Unfortunately they are all AOE based skills and do pathetic dmg against the pet.

When paired with overwhelming and BRB destro, it does a lot of dmg, especially against melee opponents.

So no, I can’t kill the pet the same way as players.

Also no, it’s not that hard to kill a pet on many other classes - for example pet melts against stam/magblades, magDK and other primary single target classes.

Asmael

Yes

It being possible does not make it a good idea, since Zos had the brilliant idea of making channel / cast time abilities impossible to interrupt.

It's simple though, just use an ultimate

Emma_Overload

Yes

Asmael wrote: »

It being possible does not make it a good idea, since Zos had the brilliant idea of making channel / cast time abilities impossible to interrupt.

It's simple though, just use an ultimate

It is possible to interrupt a Twilight recast, and doing so prevents a recast for a couple seconds at least.

Asmael

Yes

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

It being possible does not make it a good idea, since Zos had the brilliant idea of making channel / cast time abilities impossible to interrupt.

It's simple though, just use an ultimate

It is possible to interrupt a Twilight recast, and doing so prevents a recast for a couple seconds at least.

Wait for a CC, break free, recast.

I remember Zos saying something along the lines of "we want to make players really think hard about using those abilities". Extremely poor change to say the least.

Neloth

I’m magsorc main and don’t care, my pet should be immortal

Asmael wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

It being possible does not make it a good idea, since Zos had the brilliant idea of making channel / cast time abilities impossible to interrupt.

It's simple though, just use an ultimate

It is possible to interrupt a Twilight recast, and doing so prevents a recast for a couple seconds at least.

Wait for a CC, break free, recast.

I remember Zos saying something along the lines of "we want to make players really think hard about using those abilities". Extremely poor change to say the least.

That’s why you shouldn’t CC a sorc until he tries to recast the pet

CCing him during the recast will lock pet summon for a few seconds, but honestly I don’t remember when the timer on pet summon lock starts - immediately after he breaks free, or after the CC

> On other classes killing the pet, start pressuring the sorc, CCing him on recast with immediate burst is a valid counter play against competent pet sorc