[VID] Stamblade PvP Build - Elsweyr - w/ PvP clips of performance

thedude33

Thogard wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

This made me lol. It is quite possibly the most console thing I’ve ever read.

But anyway;

This won't work on console because trying to land dizzy with a gamepad is cringe.

but if all you're finding is zergs, odds are it's because you're in one. Peeling off a chunk from a zerg is an artform. probably the hardest aspect of 1vX. There's nothing on console that's stopping you from doing it. It's been done before and it'll be done again. Zerglings gonna zerg, regardless of server or platform. You guys just haven't been playing postion based MMOs for as long as some PC players have. If there’s a 50 player zerg running around and you haven’t learned how to predict where it’ll head then that’s 100% a learn to play problem.

I agree it's an art form. There are some amazing players out there who have it figured out.

I had an epiphany last night. I had to check some videos from people I follow on the tube to confirm what I was thinking. Sure enough I was correct. There is one alliance that plays the muse for these videos. Overwhelmingly. They are the same as the team that plays the harlem globetrotters.

Obviously there are exceptions, but by a wide wide majority it's the same alliance over and over that makes the streamers look great. Sadly I also belong to that alliance.

HankTwo

@CatchMeTrolling

Lemme explain what Thogard means when he says that flat armor reductions like penetration or major fracture are (relatively speaking) stronger against people with high resistances then against people with low resistances, since there are many misconceptions about mitigation.

I know it's a bit unintuitive at first, since it's always the same amount of resistances that get's substracted, but let's make a thought experiment where you can easily see this effect. Let's imagine a situation where one player gets attacked by another and armor is the only mitigation in place. To make it even more obvious, let's imagine there is no armor cap (you'll understand why I include this when you see the numbers). I'll show you three cases:

1) Player has 6600 armor = 10% mitigation --> 10k attack would hit him for 9k
2) player has 33000 armor = 50% mitigation --> 10k attack would hit him for 5k
3) player has 66000 armor = 100% (only possible in our thought experiment) --> 10k attack would hit him for 0

Now let's imagine that the attacker applies an armor debuff worth 6600 resistances:

1) Player now has 0 armor = 0% mitigation --> 10k attack would hit him for 10k
--> before debuff: 9k damage, after debuff: 10k damage --> 11.11% damage increase for the attacker because of the debuff
2) Player now has 26400 armor = 40% mitigation --> 10k attack would hit for 6k
--> before debuff: 5k damage, after debuff: 6k damage --> 20% damage increase for the attacker
3) Player now has 59400 armor = 90% mitigation --> 10k attack would hit for 1k
--> before debuff: 0 damage, after debuff: 1k damage --> 'infinite percent' damage increase for the attacker

As you can see, the percental damage increase that an armor debuff provides to the attacker get's bigger the more armor the target already had. This also means that adding more armor to a build get's relatively speaking stronger the more armor you already have (until you are too far above the cap ofc. If attacking players can't debuff/penetrate you to the cap then the added armor is useless).

Firstmep

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

45k stam indicates you run Hulking Draugr which already discredits all your claims of console meta being superior.......

Those stats seem a bit high for me, im guessing there with every possible boost in the game.

Edit:
On second thought those stats arent looking very realistic, not separately but put together.
For that kind of max stam hes prob running hulking+spriggans(18k pen isnt really feasible otherwise), but for 5.5k wpd.. infused masters bow with warrior?
But then his recovery doesnt add up, like i can accept the offensive sets but than his recovery is waay bloated, prob with battle rush and cont attack.
Especially since nbs lost 10% recovery this patch.

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc and all buffed stats are out of combat and not in stealth console meta far superior

Fair enough, looking at the pic its not hard to tell that you are fully buffed.
Also just noticed those 17k resists in cloak mkay, thats all i needed to see.

evoniee

uppercut not gonna work vs any good player.
i feel so dumb for trying to land a hit with it.
the same when i 1v1 stamwarden with uppercut, i feel pity for that person.

Thogard

evoniee wrote: »

uppercut not gonna work vs any good player.
i feel so dumb for trying to land a hit with it.
the same when i 1v1 stamwarden with uppercut, i feel pity for that person.

Just remember that the only counter to uppercut that doesn’t cost them more than your uppercut costs you is for them to CC you mid uppercut.

Tactician is really important so that you can set them off balance and do a HA into uppercut - one of the two should hit and CC them.

Ragnaroek93

I play something similar (without wrecking blow and with more damage tho) and I don't feel buffed. Having no defile in the current meta is just outright awful. The only Nb builds which got "buffed" (or kinda stayed the same) are these sword and board clowns who still have defile on their stun and just bashcancel the *** out of everything while having super high defense at the same time. Yeah, that's exactly how I wanted to play a rogue when I created one.

I agree that 2h bow is a lot of fun and skelly pirate is extremely strong right now and makes a lot of fun builds semi competitive. But again, you can just use it as well on some sword and board builds. I don't see a reason to play something other than stamina sword and board builds or petsorc for performance reasons.

Thogard

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I play something similar (without wrecking blow and with more damage tho) and I don't feel buffed. Having no defile in the current meta is just outright awful. The only Nb builds which got "buffed" (or kinda stayed the same) are these sword and board clowns who still have defile on their stun and just bashcancel the *** out of everything while having super high defense at the same time. Yeah, that's exactly how I wanted to play a rogue when I created one.

I agree that 2h bow is a lot of fun and skelly pirate is extremely strong right now and makes a lot of fun builds semi competitive. But again, you can just use it as well on some sword and board builds. I don't see a reason to play something other than stamina sword and board builds or petsorc for performance reasons.

I came from playing a bs/fury/7th DK. First thing I tried on stamblade was bs/fury/7th with plenty of weaving.

It wasn’t nearly as much damage. This is far far more.

cHIIMEERa

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

Thogard

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

It’s absolutely true. Strong does not equate solely to high damage.

This game is built around tradeoffs between doing damage, mitigating damage, opponents, and sustaining resources. Usually to increase one of those things you have to decrease the other two. We use our build strategies to try to find the optimal combination of the three and then use things like jewelry traits and mundus stones to further tweak that balance.

NB lost some damage, that’s true. But the mitigation it gained is far more significant than the dmg it lost. By altering the build in other places to boost the dmg back up (ie running more dmg on jewelry traits) you’ll find that the class came out ahead... the notable exception would be if you’re starved for the bar space to include major fracture - the removal of that from SA was the biggest nerf by far and does require reassessing bar real estate.

This build is based around maximizing the efficiency with the tradeoff of having to run dizzy. If dizzy feels too clunky, I’d recommend running a vBRP bow and using draining shot on backbar instead of PI and then using surprise attack on the front bar instead of dizzy.

But make no mistake my friend, net net the class IS stronger.

Edit: not gonna lie tho, I will miss memeing around like this:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

Roustabout

@Thogard If you drop dizzy for draining shot, could you also drop rally for forward momentum? This would allow you to drop shuffle in favor of leeching strikes. Would dark cloak + vigor + draining shot + leeching strikes be enough healing to justify dropping rally? I guess you would lose major evasion as well, which sucks. Just curious. ~cheers

Thogard

Roustabout wrote: »

@Thogard If you drop dizzy for draining shot, could you also drop rally for forward momentum? This would allow you to drop shuffle in favor of leeching strikes. Would dark cloak + vigor + draining shot + leeching strikes be enough healing to justify dropping rally? I guess you would lose major evasion as well, which sucks. Just curious. ~cheers

The 25% AOE mitigation from shuffle is waht makes it so strong. If i did drop shuffle, i'd add in shade, not leeching.

leeching is one of those skills where you don't need it when you can use it, and you can't use it (b/c kiting) when you need it.

i tried leeching a lot. removing it was the final piece to making this build work.

cHIIMEERa

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

It’s absolutely true. Strong does not equate solely to high damage.

NB lost some damage, that’s true. But the mitigation it gained is far more significant than the dmg it lost.

By altering the build in other places to boost the dmg back up (ie running more dmg on jewelry traits) you’ll find that the class came out ahead...

Strong does not equate solely to durability either.
I played with infused + weapon damage on all three jewelries pre-elsweyr mate. Theres nothing more to boost.

Nightblade is supposed to be a "They'll never know what them them" type of class. With this patch i feel like you're only ever going to get a kill if the opponent slips up/runs out of resources (also a slip up). Theres just not enough damage to get a clean kill anymore.

The 1vX potential of NB is so much worse now.

ecru

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

Thogard

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

It’s absolutely true. Strong does not equate solely to high damage.

NB lost some damage, that’s true. But the mitigation it gained is far more significant than the dmg it lost.

By altering the build in other places to boost the dmg back up (ie running more dmg on jewelry traits) you’ll find that the class came out ahead...

Strong does not equate solely to durability either.
I played with infused + weapon damage on all three jewelries pre-elsweyr mate. Theres nothing more to boost.

Nightblade is supposed to be a "They'll never know what them them" type of class. With this patch i feel like you're only ever going to get a kill if the opponent slips up/runs out of resources (also a slip up). Theres just not enough damage to get a clean kill anymore.

The 1vX potential of NB is so much worse now.

If your 1vX potential relied on your opponents not knowing you were there, and you still consider that to be strong, then we have different definitions of strength.

I had a lot of fun doing my one handed gank streams. I was pretty decent at it. But it was always a meme. It was never a relevant playstyle and it was never a strong playstyle. It was just there for people who couldn’t find the ability to play anything more complex.

My one handed gank memes are no more. And that’s a good thing lol. The memes are gone and a real class is now here. Adapt and embrace it.

Thogard

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

Wait I thought you were on console. Last time we had a heated debate it was about MMR and we were on dif sides because the changes hadn’t hit console yet. Did you move to PC @ecru ?

Kaysha

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

His screenshots were made before Elswyr. He used hulking, bonepirate, 1x domihaus, 1xbloodspawn with mage mundus. He had 12k pen including major fracture.
The Statements in this thread together with the shown screenshots are definitly not true.

cHIIMEERa

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

It’s absolutely true. Strong does not equate solely to high damage.

NB lost some damage, that’s true. But the mitigation it gained is far more significant than the dmg it lost.

By altering the build in other places to boost the dmg back up (ie running more dmg on jewelry traits) you’ll find that the class came out ahead...

Strong does not equate solely to durability either.
I played with infused + weapon damage on all three jewelries pre-elsweyr mate. Theres nothing more to boost.

Nightblade is supposed to be a "They'll never know what them them" type of class. With this patch i feel like you're only ever going to get a kill if the opponent slips up/runs out of resources (also a slip up). Theres just not enough damage to get a clean kill anymore.

The 1vX potential of NB is so much worse now.

If your 1vX potential relied on your opponents not knowing you were there, and you still consider that to be strong, then we have different definitions of strength.

I had a lot of fun doing my one handed gank streams. I was pretty decent at it. But it was always a meme. It was never a relevant playstyle and it was never a strong playstyle. It was just there for people who couldn’t find the ability to play anything more complex.

My one handed gank memes are no more. And that’s a good thing lol. The memes are gone and a real class is now here. Adapt and embrace it.

We clearly have different definitions of what 1vX ing is. It is not sniping unaware people in BG's while drinking coffée, and i totally agree with you on that part. It is just there for people who cant find the ability to play anything more complex.

Im talking about coming in and out of stealth, while juking a smaller group of players. relying on your burst to pick them off 1 by 1. It's just so much harder now.

Agree to disagree i guess

Thogard

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

While i do appreciate the fact that you're trying to help people, your statement just isnt true.

Nightblade lost so much damage that i laugh at every opponent i manage to burst down.

It’s absolutely true. Strong does not equate solely to high damage.

NB lost some damage, that’s true. But the mitigation it gained is far more significant than the dmg it lost.

By altering the build in other places to boost the dmg back up (ie running more dmg on jewelry traits) you’ll find that the class came out ahead...

Strong does not equate solely to durability either.
I played with infused + weapon damage on all three jewelries pre-elsweyr mate. Theres nothing more to boost.

Nightblade is supposed to be a "They'll never know what them them" type of class. With this patch i feel like you're only ever going to get a kill if the opponent slips up/runs out of resources (also a slip up). Theres just not enough damage to get a clean kill anymore.

The 1vX potential of NB is so much worse now.

If your 1vX potential relied on your opponents not knowing you were there, and you still consider that to be strong, then we have different definitions of strength.

I had a lot of fun doing my one handed gank streams. I was pretty decent at it. But it was always a meme. It was never a relevant playstyle and it was never a strong playstyle. It was just there for people who couldn’t find the ability to play anything more complex.

My one handed gank memes are no more. And that’s a good thing lol. The memes are gone and a real class is now here. Adapt and embrace it.

We clearly have different definitions of what 1vX ing is. It is not sniping unaware people in BG's while drinking coffée, and i totally agree with you on that part. It is just there for people who cant find the ability to play anything more complex.

Im talking about coming in and out of stealth, while juking a smaller group of players. relying on your burst to pick them off 1 by 1. It's just so much harder now.

Agree to disagree i guess

Ah ok I see what you mean now. I apologize for leaping to conclusions, and you’re right - if cloak is the main source of mitigation then this new mit wouldn’t help and for that playstyle this would be a net negative.

ecru

Kaysha wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

His screenshots were made before Elswyr. He used hulking, bonepirate, 1x domihaus, 1xbloodspawn with mage mundus. He had 12k pen including major fracture.
The Statements in this thread together with the shown screenshots are definitly not true.

Yeah I saw the minor berserk in his screenshot. A 38k tooltip on bow proc is pie-in-the-sky nonsense that would require 9k+ wd and 35k+ stam (including minor berserk) or a bit lower WD and Major Berserk. To get that high, you need basically every buff from every set/class in the game, plus warhorn, and every pvp bonus available (scroll bonus, continuous attack, etc). I'm sure someone at some point in a very large group may have had stats that could have gotten them close.. if they had all of their own procs up, maybe. Point is, no one should take him seriously

Thogard wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

Wait I thought you were on console. Last time we had a heated debate it was about MMR and we were on dif sides because the changes hadn’t hit console yet. Did you move to PC @ecru ?

I've never been on console.

Metemsycosis

Did you clip your duels in wayrest? Good example of why you would choose dizzying over surprise attack. The cc pressure (yes along with burst) is why you were able to win. Aside from lag, maybe

Thogard

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Did you clip your duels in wayrest? Good example of why you would choose dizzying over surprise attack. The cc pressure (yes along with burst) is why you were able to win. Aside from lag, maybe

Against mag toons maybe but if I really wanted to duel I’d get back on my bs/fury/7th Stam DK

Unfadingsilence

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

Far from it since I already posted screen shots and showed it live on stream 😂😂 it's not my fault u cant get big boy numbers like that

Unfadingsilence

Kaysha wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

alkosh seems like a really weird set for a 1vX build, it seems like the galaxy brains that have influenced the console meta truly are on another level that us pc plebs could never possibly understand. perhaps you've figured out how to use an enemy's synergy???? :thinking:

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulUY1Kiyk64

Stamblade has never been stronger and never been more relevant.

I included 1vX, 2vX (smol scale), Dueling (not a dueling build), and BG clips in the build video to give you context on how it plays.

I don't have undaunted on this character. I don't post weapon dmg or "max resists" because I play ESO, not ESO build editor. If you're on PC NA and would like to fight to see how it does, i'm always down.

long story short:

Helm / shoulders: pirate skelly / medium / impen
Chest / Legs: 7th legion / heavy / impen
gloves / waist / boots: Spriggans / medium / impen
Ammy: 7th legion, weapon dmg, protective
Ring 1: 7th legion, infused, feat cost reduction
Ring 2: 7th legion, infused, weapon dmg

Frontbar: Spriggans 2h Greatsword. Nirnhoned. Double dot poison
Backbar: Master's Bow. Infused. Weapon dmg glyph.

Frontbar:
Ambush - Dizzy Swing - Relentless - Rally - Killer's Blade ULT: Incap

Backbar:
Piercing Mark - Poison Injection - Shuffle - Vigor - Dark Cloak ULT: Undo

Race: Orc. Nothing else is close. I tested redguard and khajiit also.
Food: Artaeum
Mundus: Serpent
Preferred Potion: Stam, Health, Lingering health

Don't run dizzy swing in a duel and expect to beat a similarly skilled player in a real duel build.

I'm giving you an awesome for taking the time into making a video but the only bad part is this setup wont work on PS4 or XBOX since the console meta is far superior to that of the PC meta it's truly a great video dont get me wrong but the setup it self wont work on console since everyone builds for 30k+ resistance, more max stats especially on the stam side of things by 20k more and 2k more WD without losing recovery or having far more recovery AND the killer console is nothing but zergs running, you might get lucky to pull a nice 1vX and then get run over by 50+ but the main thing is just the over all meta that is being ran in PS4 and XBOX I know personally on my current NB I'm running 16k max magic 24k max HP 45k max stam 2.5k recovery and 5.5k WD and 18k Penetration on my darkelf but once more awesome job

Bone Pirate + Draugr Hulk + Baloorgh + Tri Stat food. Lover Mundus. 2 Infused Weapon Damage + Infused Berserker. 1 Infused Stamina Recovery

Nope

Hiya https://imgur.com/gallery/LoGkbDo

Not showing master bow proc or enchantment AND all buffed stats are out of combat and stealth 15k SA, 23k incap and 28K bow "I know its low I'm sorry"

While it’s fun to post glamour shots of your crouching vampire nightblade, it’s so easy to fluff the stat sheet on a screenshot that it means basically nothing.

Or you could just man up and admit that you’re using the same boring old humdrum Stam sets that everyone else is using. (Probably sprig+shackle/hulking/BP since your max pool is high and your buffed wepdam is low).

Nope but you got one set right for sure and tool tips are still only buffed with rally and no continuous attack and not in stealth. So try a little harder to think about my sets they are easy tool tips 24k incap and 15k SA and 28k Bow with only a buff from rally and I checked last night my tool tip in stealth and with continuous attack and my enchantment proc my incap is around 30k SA tool tip 20k and now close to 38k for my bow

I want to make it clear to any new players who are wondering if this person is lying or not that this person is in fact lying. These are made up numbers that would require well over 9k weapon damage and 35k stamina, without Major Berserk.

His screenshots were made before Elswyr. He used hulking, bonepirate, 1x domihaus, 1xbloodspawn with mage mundus. He had 12k pen including major fracture.
The Statements in this thread together with the shown screenshots are definitly not true.

Still not the right sets or mundus keep trying tho

Kaysha

Lol, I just repeated your answer in your own thread where you posted your screenshots the first time 6 weeks ago. Funny that you call yourself a liar now.