TBH, I'm really dissapointed on the Elsweyr Chapter

Delparis

sekekama21554 wrote: »

Hello everyone! Sekekama here, yes, another WoW refugee!! :-) Little backstory before I begin; I've played WOW since 2005, and currently still play and raid at Mythic level. 8/9M in BOD
I've started looking 'elsweyr' for other games, because I think everyone knows by now WoW is not in a good-state with BFA.(their current xpac)
I slowed down to playing about 8 hours a week, (mostly just raiding) and I'm currently playing ESO about 30-40 hours per week.(so you can see where my time is invested at.)

I've played ESO off and on since 2015, and most recently picked up the Elsweyr when it came out for PC. I can't talk much about other chapters because I did not play them when they were first released, always picked them up though, and from what I remember, they were all pretty good.

Honestly, I love the game, I love all of the theorycrafting, and different set/combos you can use, the endless 'exploration' that you can do.
But Elsweyr... I just feel like it was SUPER RUSHED. From a few of the Necromancer class skills still not working as intended (people told me it was even bug reported on the PTS!)

Blastbones --- reported on the PTS - damage isn't correct, (i have pet damage turned on)
Shocking Siphon -- you have to keep spamming the button because if you don't correctly aim at a corpse, you can't use it.
Detonating Siphon (Morph) " "
Restoring tether -- " "
2H/Bow combo always bugs out, literally the weapon stays on the floor. I constantly have to /reloadui. I see this issue has been going on for..... a long time....lol


And not to mention the main quest line for Elsweyr was really really short. I mean I finished it in like 2-3 hours? I honestly thought there was going to be a ton more 'main story' quest left... but nope!
I know ESO uses the anti-ddos services, because of the past, but my latency is always 130-150ms! yeah it's not the end of the world, but I mean jeesh I makes the game feel a little laggy. I know it's nothing compared to what some OCE players play with, but it's kinda ridiculous.

One last thing. Cyrodil. for what it's worth, everyone usually talks up the PvP in this game, but honestly, all I've experienced Cyrodil to be is a massive LagFest.Players jumping across the map, abilities not going off. It's inexcusable. Because all the money Zenimax makes from the Cash Shop... you guys can at least invest more money into your servers. I know it can get expensive (upwards of $750k-$1m per month for server maintenance) But if I can log into literally every other game I own, and have my latency between 30-50ms, why oh why is ESO the only game with 130-150ms? it's just a huge turn off.
I'm thinking they bet on the 'new player' wont recognize the terrible service from the servers and just look past it and think nothing of it, but players who know, know it's a turnoff.


TL;DR
If you guys are "Killing It", why don't the ESO Devs try and fix what's wrong/broken in the current game and try to take advantage and win over tons and tons of refugees looking for a new place to call home?
I really want to love ESO, and I do like it, but it's the little things that is making me play less and less everyday.



I just want to see ESO be a successful MMORPG that doesn't let the little bugs/lag define the game.

agree 100% the game isn't going in the right direction imo

siddique

I soloed orcrest on my level 14 necro -_- I have yet to explore much of Elsweyr but the trial is epic!

Tan9oSuccka

I just don’t understand the gamers of today.

Fast travels everywhere, skips all dialog and completes the main story in an hour.

Then complains. “ZO$ there’s nothing to do!!!! I R dissapoint!!!”

While I agree improvements are needed for performance, I think most are exaggerated.

Oh you live in Timbuktu? Ten zillion miles from a server?

Complains about latency. Well, duh.

Koronach

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

If you rush/speed through quests, don't listen to the voice acting, and you really just want to focus on combat... that makes me wonder why you choose to play ESO - since the game doesn't seem to match up very well with what you enjoy.

Aren't the lore and storytelling the big draws of the entire Elder Scrolls series of games, afterall? ESO is primarily a "role-playing" game, not primarily a "combat" game. Combat is included of course - as part of the story.

Perhaps you and ESO just aren't meant to be together?

Yeah about that lore





This is why the combat devs shouldn't be allowed to even touch anything lore based.

Inaya

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

If you rush/speed through quests, don't listen to the voice acting, and you really just want to focus on combat... that makes me wonder why you choose to play ESO - since the game doesn't seem to match up very well with what you enjoy.

Aren't the lore and storytelling the big draws of the entire Elder Scrolls series of games, afterall? ESO is primarily a "role-playing" game, not primarily a "combat" game. Combat is included of course - as part of the story.

Perhaps you and ESO just aren't meant to be together?

This is exactly how I play and a huge part of the reason I love this game. In my opinion this game is all about the journey, not the end. It's an excellent game for completionists. To me, the zones, quests and everything else is presented in such a way that it actually encourages going slowly and enjoying everything there is to offer. I've never felt rushed or "left behind" the way WOW made me feel. There is sooooooooooo much more to do than WOW offers.

If you are looking for a game to rush through or if you are a player who doesn't enjoy the journey than maybe ESO is the wrong choice, however if you slow down I think you will find it is far superior to "omg I need to be max level and get out of this zone as fast as I can".

EölMPK

Besides the necro and voice chat bugs (on ps4), Im loving this xpac, more than Morrowind and Summerset.
Can't complain at all.

Uryel

Abnur Tharn : "My considerable strategic skills serve the khajiit better than my battle magic".

I'd actually like to witness that battle magic some day. So far the man's boasted ALOT about how great a battle mage he is, but we have yet to see him cast a combat spell. Actually, the only spells he seems to ever cast were portal / tleportation spells, and ONCE, a buff spell, using the amulet of kings.

As for his strategic skills... We're talking about the man who couldn't recognise a spell designed to tear the Veil, thus allowing Molag Bal to initiate a planemeld, who couldn't recognise a trap even if it were biting his arse, thus allowing for dragons to be released... I'd feel safer if that guy was working for the enemy, actually.

As I said previously, "incredible" stories indeed.

Uryel

Koronach wrote: »

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

If you rush/speed through quests, don't listen to the voice acting, and you really just want to focus on combat... that makes me wonder why you choose to play ESO - since the game doesn't seem to match up very well with what you enjoy.

Aren't the lore and storytelling the big draws of the entire Elder Scrolls series of games, afterall? ESO is primarily a "role-playing" game, not primarily a "combat" game. Combat is included of course - as part of the story.

Perhaps you and ESO just aren't meant to be together?

Yeah about that lore





This is why the combat devs shouldn't be allowed to even touch anything lore based.

Then I suppose I should also mention the Bosmers and how they lost their stealth, because reasons. They have the rite of theft, and whatnot, it's been covered already in great length. Bosmers are stealthy, lore-wise. But someone's been playing favourite with PvP.

ArchMikem

So OP claims to have finished the main questline in 2 to 3 hours. I just finished myself.

Its been over ten hours since i started.

sekekama21554

ArchMikem wrote: »

So OP claims to have finished the main questline in 2 to 3 hours. I just finished myself.

Its been over ten hours since i started.

I don’t know what I can do to prove it to you that I have. On my new Necro I have maybe 3 days played already so I can’t take a SS of that.

Like I’ve explained it if you actually read anything in this thread. I read the text from quests in my head, so that speeds things up. Ok maybe I’m off by and hour. Does it make you feel better if I say I completed it in 4 hours? How about 5. This is getting us nowhere.

But there are other issues I have then just the quest line being extremely short... for this first part of “year of the dragon”

Like I’ve mentioned above, Buggy skills that were reported on the PTS months ago, weapon disappearing constantly when I weapon swap (it’s literrally on the ground when I’m running) I saw someone reported this bug LAST YEAR.
The extreme latency that you always get because of the anti-DDoS service. I mean have you guys never played a game with below 50ms? A lot of AAA titles can achieve that. So when I always have latency between 130-150ms it’s kind of off putting because when I hit my skills, they do not go off when I switch bars. Sometimes I have to spam it to go off.

And just the general feel of copy pasta. I mean ZOS is making a KILLING off this game, Matt Firor even said so. So why short out on the quality of the servers?? I mean literally look at the performance of the EU server. They can’t even play the damn game.

Cyrodil pvp is a joke because of the lag.

1 more thing. All of the streamers hyping up this chapter. Saying the Necromancer is their favorite, they game is really great etc. of course they’re going to be saying that because they’re in the pockets of ZOS. They get invited to test the game, hang out with the game directors, etc but they don’t have the balls to tell them to their face that there is a ton of issues ZOS never addresses or can’t fix.

I really feel like their technical support staff consists of about 3 people. Seriously. And all together ESO is bringing in like what $12M USD per month? And they can’t fix the servers?

Hurbster

I think the chapter is great. Looking forward to Wow Classic as well.

LennoxPoodle

sekekama21554 wrote: »

yes Please!! I hope they make a Southern Elsweyr!!!! that is exactly what they need! 1 zone is great, yes Elsweyr is a huge zone, with lots to do, but after about 1 or 2 weeks. it's the same repetitive thing. The 'dragons' (wyvern in my book) all fly in the same route. When they land for us players to attack them, they literally all do the same thing. There isn't a world dragon that is unique. (they look great btw)

The non existence of Dragon world bosses really is sad. I think the whole season of the Dragon was a mistake. A couple of scattered dragons throughout tamriel as group content oriented bosses would have been way more fitting than a mass incursion IMHO.

And to derail threat a bit. What is it with people always stating "muh, those are wywerns not Dragons". Just look the word up. It means heraldic dragon or two legged Dragon. So essentially it describes the depiction of Dragons as bipedal. Thus the expression "The Dragons in TES are Wyverns" is correct, but not "those Beast are Wyverns not Dragons". Wyverns are dragons in the original meaning of the words. Sure most IPS nowhere days draw a distinction between the two, which is fine by me, but that doesn't make it universal.
IMHO they are pretty much the best looking version of the beast.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

I think Elswyer is great, yes the main quest is a little shorter but I didn't want a main quest dragged out just for the sake of extending it. Also there are a few extended side quests that more than make up for it.

Commancho

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

While I agree improvements are needed for performance, I think most are exaggerated.

Oh you live in Timbuktu? Ten zillion miles from a server?

Complains about latency. Well, duh.

I don't know about him, but I live in the central Germany and I have a fastest internet in my 150km2 area, around 5-15ms ping in the video games and still I lag and get d/c exclusively in ESO.

Kuramas9tails

I absolutely love it so far! Each character has such great build up. I laughed at the Gordon the Guar quest. I started playing it last night and was taking my time to enjoy every aspect of each delve and quest that I came across and I only got like 10% of the area discovered. I love how the dragons are a total group effort and use dragon tongue (of course they do but I didn't think about it until I started the fight).

I even found 2 Elsweyr furniture plans! Nothing exotic but 2 is better than none!

There wasn't time to create a Necro yet. I like to get all the achievements on my main first before running around with a new class.

I haven't had issues with performance personally, that is not to say they don't exist. For what I am playing the game for, it's been puuurrrfect. I usually DC when there's a high population but I didn't DC once. I did, however, get stuck in the slow walk and had to log out and back into my character. It happens once every so often so I am excusing that as one of the rare moments and won't be a continuous thing.

But overall, I am very happy with the DLC. Since playing month 3 of the release date for console, this was my most anticipated DLC to date. I can't wait for more!

JumpmanLane

Thank god I found out the main quest is short. It was boring af...the parts I did. Maybe I’ll even finish it lol.

russelmmendoza

Finished story quest, killed a dragon and went back to derping.

It was not bad, it was no good either.

Dont do vet trials anymore, because my 30k dps is so embarassing, because everybody can do 50k dps now. 50k dps is baseline now.

Oh whelp.

david_m_18b16_ESO

Chaos2088 wrote: »

I've got a feeling something more is coming that links in with the chapter. So watch this space...

But yes nothing should go live with this many bugs..hey a few can make it live with 1000'S of tests but the reaction has been abit.....well....meh.

Lets hope so bcuz for a full expension price we get about a normal content patch of WoW.

idk

Uryel wrote: »

sekekama21554 wrote: »

I just feel like it was SUPER RUSHED

Indeed. That, and the fact that they didn't care one bit for feedback. But hey, look ! Dragons ! Excitement ! More nerfs ! Oh wait, we can't advertise that, can we ?

The best proof that they have no idea what they're doing is this newspost :

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56391

Rich wrote:

we couldn’t be happier with the response from you, the community thus far

I suppose he means the many bug reports, the overall felling that necromancer is "meh", the happy reaction to some nerfs, or the ever-popular faction lock in Cyrodiil.

I'll add my own pet peeve : the uninspired and lazy AF public dungeon of Rimmen Necropolis. This is, by far, the worst public dungeon in the whole game. The only reeedeeming factor is that the group encounter is placed at the beginning and seems integrated to it rather than somewhat forced there. The fight itself, however, is far too scripted (they always are scripted, this one simply goes over the top) and dialogue lines are even less sensible than usual. "No watch how a true warrior fights !", then proceeds to summon a horde of undead and hides behind. And to top that, there isn't a single container to loot. NOT ONE. The only lootable things are food and potions. Not a single crate, barrel, whatever. There are a zillion of urns and none is lootable. If it's a design choice, fire the guy who came up with the idea. If it was just rushed... Well next time finish your product before selling it.

Rich wrote:

the team created an incredible world filled with equally incredible stories

"incredible" means "hard to believe". So, on that we agree. The sheer stupidity of Abnur Tharn is hard to believe. I've barely scratched the surface and already I find that some fanfics from 14 years old would be better written. To be honest, it's not just Elsweyr that suffers from that, there are lots of occurences where your character is forced to act stupid even when you, the player, see it coming from miles away.

"Rich wrote:

Dragons have come to ESO, which finally brings one of the most iconic Elder Scrolls monsters to our game

They were "iconic" in ONE game. I'd personnaly consider the guar to be even more iconic than dragons, but if I'm honest, the most iconic monsters of the Elder Scroll franchise as a whole are the daedras. They were in every game (at least since Morrowind in 2002, can't say much before that), and they kept a somewhat similar appearance from game to game, making them highly recognisable. First time you run into daedra in any new Elder Scroll game, you don't have to mouse over it to know what it is, you're like "well, ***, daedra !". THAT is iconic. That is, actually, the very definition of iconic.

Rich wrote:

The team did a remarkable job with Dragons - whether it be in the way they move, fight, or communicate, they are truly special and not something you’ll soon forget.

You really ought not to pat yourself on the back for that, man. You really didn't do anything special with dragons.

The way they move is a joke. As someone else pointed elswhere, they move just like any large monster in this game. But they are NOT just any large monster. They are WAY larger and thus, shouldn't just appear to switch the direction they look at in one blink. And yet they do. They look good while moving in the sky, allright, but on the ground, they look like lifeless puppets.

The way they fight ? You mean they actually fight ? Seems to me they just stand there taking damage and having no sense of what's going on around them. They shout, breath fire, wag their tail, flap their wings, but not in reaction to what's happening. They just do it. They can stand on a rock taking a zillion flaming skulls, and not even blink while magicka users shoot lightning INTO THEIR EYES. Then they sit there on the ground doing nothing, while their HP drops quickly, because script say they have to pause for a while before their next attack. I know they think highly of themselves and think we pose no threat, but when you're so wounded that your life will end in a matter of seconds, maybe it's time to reconsider. Maybe at the very least say something like "How is that even possible ?" when they are close to death. Nope, they just act like the scripted puppet they are.

When you look at a monster and see this obviously the scripts that make it act, something is very wrong. As an image speaks better than words, this is what it feels like to watch a dragon fight :



They are truly "special", yes, but not the way you meant it. They appear somewhat deficient in the cognitive areas, to just stand there taking a beating and not even realising it. I'm afraid they really are not all that memorable either, mostly because of how fake and uninspired they are.


@ZOS_RichLambert , I'm sorry, but really, between the lame-arse dragons and the combat team being in the worst hands it has ever been since launch, Elsweyr is really nothing special. The place DOES look good, though, I'll give you that. The art team did a good job. The animation team, not so much. And please slap the combat team lead for me, he's the one who spits on lore for so-called PvP balance, and screws us PvE small team players over and over.

At first I agreed with this person, the first Rich quote and response. After going through the rest I just wondered why this person plays this game as they seem rather bitter about every aspect of it. I am critical of Zos and especially Matt since he is the one responsible for everything but I do find things about the game that are enjoyable.

radiostar

MxO was a great mmo!

burglar

The state of the gaming industry is pretty bad, and MMOs take the cake to be sure. I didn't buy elsweyr once I saw that the dragons flew around using physics you find in a lego game - actually, a lego game probably has more realistic physics than dragons do in elsweyr.

Also, since early april, at least on ps4, sound has been out of sync and sometimes menus just randomly freak out on me. I've formatted my PS4 and many other things to no avail; the only thing left I can think of is that it's this game. I recently replaced the thermal pads for the vram chips and thermal paste for my PS4, so I considered I did that wrong, but other games don't mess up as bad as ESO has been. I'm guessing that the mega server technology they're using isn't working out so great. I miss playing on traditional servers; the mega server makes everything fall flat during events. Even though we complain about overpopulated events, I think it's fun to see large crowds and whatnot.

I'm not buying elseweyr until they at least fix the audio issues.

wnights wrote: »

As to the year-long content. I don't really like that concept purely because it forces people to buy all dlcs to get a proper ending. ZOS should have implemented some sort of season pass for this year's content.

This too. I mean, you should get any ellwyr related content if you buy the expansion, and I'm worried that's not the case. Another reason I didn't buy it.