Battlegrounds are getting more and more frustrating.

ChefZero

vamp_emily wrote: »

Did Zeni add a new feature to BG? I'm constantly getting the message "Battlegrounds is not available at this time".

Just spam the button

Waffennacht

MMR could have been changed.

Why I said it was account based:

Played on my leaderboard character, got opponents

Switched to a character that has 0 MMR matches played, got the same opponents.

If there was an independent MMR then there's no way those two characters should be seeing the same opponents

ChefZero

Davadin wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Deathmatch is the silliest game mode ever and should be never introduced to any MMORPG.

Hey, have you ever heard of the game Second Life? You might like that.

Have you ever played other teambased PvP games (MMORPGs, MOBAs, FPS,..) with a slightly competitive level?

Chelo

ChefZero wrote: »

Deathmatch is the silliest game mode ever and should be never introduced to any MMORPG.

Even if there's no official DM, some players like me will only play to kill other players... For us, every mode is DM...

Skysenzz

Davadin wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

Sup, lemme give you my feelings about PvP as a BG player (Mid/High MMR) after few hundreds of games in battleground, on Stamina Dragonknight and Stamina Warden. I've tried a lot of different setups on those two classes, (maybe 20 in total?)
I will mostly talk about Deathmatch, since there's almost no competition in the other game mode.

Sorry, I stopped reading here.

either play a different MMO, or come visit Cyrodiil in small group. There's a non-CP campaigns too, yknow?

I mean... I'm talking about battlegrounds. I never mentioned Cyrodiil for a good reason; I don't play it because my pc can't handle it.

BNOC wrote: »

MMR is a massive farce.

I can get matched against the same sets of players (maybe population issue) on an alt or my main.

But, my alts queues are much shorter and 9/10 times I don't see good players at all.

The other aggro is, my main queues take 25m+ and 9/10 times I'm against good players which is great, but then they lump me with sub 160's that aren't even properly geared.

The other day I was matched against a strong 4 man that I'd normally enjoy fighting, with a CP29, Cp71 and a CP11* - These guys are 50, granted, but get them tf out of BG's until 160 or scale them up exactly, no less no more.

Why am I getting matched with resto heavy attackers and bow light attackers?

Yea I get that often too, if I lose a BG game it is wether i play vs good players again, or is it with really bad players?
It *should* be calculated on the job you've done compared to your team members, group heal, damage dealt etc.
but then you've got sometime those good supports that aren't really heal nor dps but they just buff up the group/debuff enemies & also purge you up. I think it's really hard for ZOS to make a really good MMR system, but the one we have atm is ***. I agree.

BNOC wrote: »

In response to OP:
Cloak and S2w are two abilities that I'm confident any new player could learn to use within a couple hours play time.
Especially s2w on the end of an equally easy learned burst, like a stamden's 2 button build followed by dawny and or s2w - Impressive skills we know, but it does keep the bad players engaged and that's good for queue health.

Soul assault is just an indicator of who you should target because I can guarantee they're weak players.

I tried those builds, didn't really work on stamdk, but on stamden... It could legit one shot a group of full players if they're not prepared to tank it. With spriggan + Hunding's rage as damage sets, then master's bow backbar to get infused + weapon damage...
I could reach 6k weapon damage easily in non cp with a fuckton of penetration... in low mmr best score i had was something like 27 kills... In high mmr it still works, 20kills was my best... Which is wayy to much. I never managed to get something similar with an other build... It's just so strong & deal so much damage, and stamina classes have NO ways of dodging it. if they're not a *** tank with sword and board, they're dead.
Obviously it keep the bad players engaged in the queue, but give that to a player that have quite a big experience in PvP and he will just destroy everything.

Then about soul assault... this ultimate is like a really sharp tool but only usefull when you know how to use it. Just like Dawnbreaker, sometimes it hits really hard, sometimes it feels like you threw a feather at your enemy. And i've met some people that knew how to use that ultimate. and gosh it wasn't forgiving. It's a bit too strong again, when it's used in the right hands.

Waffennacht

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Definitely not my intention. I wish I could show you guys. But on all my characters I face all the same opponents and there's no way they have the same amount of matches, win rates, etc.

I could be wrong, I won't deny that, but I'm telling you I see I eat civics, buswammy (however it's actually spelt) Xbox leaderboard players on every character

Eldar_Ftw

Would be great if they removed pets from BGS, namely Magsorcs. I could have Vigor, Rally and SG heal up (even renewing undeath if I want a purge/heal) and I still get nuked by Magsorcs.

ChunkyCat

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to announce to the world that you think Soul Assault is too overbearing, that's your prerogative, but that's going to affect how people will interpret your post

Davadin

Skysenzz wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

In response to OP:
Cloak and S2w are two abilities that I'm confident any new player could learn to use within a couple hours play time.
Especially s2w on the end of an equally easy learned burst, like a stamden's 2 button build followed by dawny and or s2w - Impressive skills we know, but it does keep the bad players engaged and that's good for queue health.

Soul assault is just an indicator of who you should target because I can guarantee they're weak players.

I tried those builds, didn't really work on stamdk, but on stamden... It could legit one shot a group of full players if they're not prepared to tank it. With spriggan + Hunding's rage as damage sets, then master's bow backbar to get infused + weapon damage...
I could reach 6k weapon damage easily in non cp with a fuckton of penetration...

what?

are you saying stamDK with a set of Spriggan and Hunding with bow + Spin2win + DB, "didn't really work" but on a stamDen it can "legit one shot a group of full players"?

what are you smoking?

Yes, StamDK would have tougher times setting up damage combo, and have less healing options (if they got med armor instead of heavy), and yes StamDen has a lot more arsenal for DPS, so yes, obviously stamDen in general can output greater damage.

BUT you're saying wearing the EXACT SAME ARMOR AND WEAPON AND SKILLS, stamDK doesn't work but stamDen can one-shot a group?

Dude, stamDK can Spin2win too....... in fact, if u want strictly burst dps, leap + Spin2win will clear a room of noobies.

Mayrael

Urvoth wrote: »

You aren’t high MMR if you’re still seeing NBs

Lol this

Koensol

Waffennacht wrote: »

MMR could have been changed.

Why I said it was account based:

Played on my leaderboard character, got opponents

Switched to a character that has 0 MMR matches played, got the same opponents.

If there was an independent MMR then there's no way those two characters should be seeing the same opponents

Unless they were the only people queued at that time. I think it works as a priority system, working its way down the MMR ranks and fills the queue up accordingly.

Waffennacht

Koensol wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

MMR could have been changed.

Why I said it was account based:

Played on my leaderboard character, got opponents

Switched to a character that has 0 MMR matches played, got the same opponents.

If there was an independent MMR then there's no way those two characters should be seeing the same opponents

Unless they were the only people queued at that time. I think it works as a priority system, working its way down the MMR ranks and fills the queue up accordingly.

Which is possible, I certainly hope there's a bit larger a player base.

I'm gonna see whom my necro gets paired with here soon.

Skysenzz

Davadin wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

In response to OP:
Cloak and S2w are two abilities that I'm confident any new player could learn to use within a couple hours play time.
Especially s2w on the end of an equally easy learned burst, like a stamden's 2 button build followed by dawny and or s2w - Impressive skills we know, but it does keep the bad players engaged and that's good for queue health.

Soul assault is just an indicator of who you should target because I can guarantee they're weak players.

I tried those builds, didn't really work on stamdk, but on stamden... It could legit one shot a group of full players if they're not prepared to tank it. With spriggan + Hunding's rage as damage sets, then master's bow backbar to get infused + weapon damage...
I could reach 6k weapon damage easily in non cp with a fuckton of penetration...

what?

are you saying stamDK with a set of Spriggan and Hunding with bow + Spin2win + DB, "didn't really work" but on a stamDen it can "legit one shot a group of full players"?

what are you smoking?

Yes, StamDK would have tougher times setting up damage combo, and have less healing options (if they got med armor instead of heavy), and yes StamDen has a lot more arsenal for DPS, so yes, obviously stamDen in general can output greater damage.

BUT you're saying wearing the EXACT SAME ARMOR AND WEAPON AND SKILLS, stamDK doesn't work but stamDen can one-shot a group?

Dude, stamDK can Spin2win too....... in fact, if u want strictly burst dps, leap + Spin2win will clear a room of noobies.

Well. It did work but not as great as on stamden, it felt totally different and stamDK doesn't have that burst combo that warden can do: shalk + dawnbreaker.
if your enemy has an average of 20k hp:
Shalk can hit up to 6-7k with an average of 4.5k, add dawnbreaker that hit the same so the enemy is under 50% health, then just spin2win and they're dead. on stamDK you don't have that shalk so 1DB+Spin2win won't work at all.
When I said this it was while ganking a team of 4 that are going on their way to the other base.

Also, i'm talking about High mmr BGs, not *noobies*

Ragnaroek93

They need a proper MMR system and they also need to seperate premade from solo queue. It's sad because BGs could be a ton of fun but a proper matchmaking is needed for that like it's the case with league, starcraft, overatch etc.

Davadin

Skysenzz wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

In response to OP:
Cloak and S2w are two abilities that I'm confident any new player could learn to use within a couple hours play time.
Especially s2w on the end of an equally easy learned burst, like a stamden's 2 button build followed by dawny and or s2w - Impressive skills we know, but it does keep the bad players engaged and that's good for queue health.

Soul assault is just an indicator of who you should target because I can guarantee they're weak players.

I tried those builds, didn't really work on stamdk, but on stamden... It could legit one shot a group of full players if they're not prepared to tank it. With spriggan + Hunding's rage as damage sets, then master's bow backbar to get infused + weapon damage...
I could reach 6k weapon damage easily in non cp with a fuckton of penetration...

what?

are you saying stamDK with a set of Spriggan and Hunding with bow + Spin2win + DB, "didn't really work" but on a stamDen it can "legit one shot a group of full players"?

what are you smoking?

Yes, StamDK would have tougher times setting up damage combo, and have less healing options (if they got med armor instead of heavy), and yes StamDen has a lot more arsenal for DPS, so yes, obviously stamDen in general can output greater damage.

BUT you're saying wearing the EXACT SAME ARMOR AND WEAPON AND SKILLS, stamDK doesn't work but stamDen can one-shot a group?

Dude, stamDK can Spin2win too....... in fact, if u want strictly burst dps, leap + Spin2win will clear a room of noobies.

Well. It did work but not as great as on stamden, it felt totally different and stamDK doesn't have that burst combo that warden can do: shalk + dawnbreaker.
if your enemy has an average of 20k hp:
Shalk can hit up to 6-7k with an average of 4.5k, add dawnbreaker that hit the same so the enemy is under 50% health, then just spin2win and they're dead. on stamDK you don't have that shalk so 1DB+Spin2win won't work at all.
When I said this it was while ganking a team of 4 that are going on their way to the other base.

Also, i'm talking about High mmr BGs, not *noobies*

yeah nobody can argue with shalk+DB combo.

high MMR i go with Leap and new Carve+Noxious. spin2win is dead, but i hear good things with the other morph.

Cheers!

ilcavallo

Chelo wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Deathmatch is the silliest game mode ever and should be never introduced to any MMORPG.

Even if there's no official DM, some players like me will only play to kill other players... For us, every mode is DM...

lol

Custos91

@Chelo
Please tell me you queue only for DM then as well (outside the daily bonus, I can understand if you want to grab that... and let's be fair, if you are any good at killing and the other 3 do the objectives, you should be fine)

Chelo

Custos91 wrote: »

@Chelo
Please tell me you queue only for DM then as well (outside the daily bonus, I can understand if you want to grab that... and let's be fair, if you are any good at killing and the other 3 do the objectives, you should be fine)

1 Random BG and then all DM. My fun is killing and frustrating other people hahahahaha 🤣

Noobslayer3255

Davadin wrote: »

high MMR i go with Leap and new Carve+Noxious. spin2win is dead, but i hear good things with the other morph.

Cheers!

Whirling blades hits harder than the old nado and is cheaper. It's ridiculously strong.

Arzharo

Playing melee this patch (unless you're a godmode stamsorc) is not an option. Especially as stamdk.

Skysenzz

Arzharo wrote: »

Playing melee this patch (unless you're a godmode stamsorc) is not an option. Especially as stamdk.

Not gonna say it's true but not 100% False too, there's not many things that can beat a magicka as stamina but a stamblade in a true dueling situation, but in battlegrounds you can still do stuff because people aren't necessary that optimized or anything like that, you also have group play and if you coordinate your stuff decently you can do good ***.
Stamina has a really underestimated skill which is vigor( IMO), this thing is something that can carry so much you have 4staminas using it frequently, it has decent group heal but if everyone's packed together, you're tanky as ***.
This is why I tend to hate on magicka that don't use resto staff/healing abilities. For example magSorc or magDK, without resto staff they have no targeatable direct heal to support the group if you're in a tough situation.
People don't seem to realize how strong group heals are tbh.

Ramber

PvP is full of cowards simply spamming snares so that 1 or 2 people in the group can then execute, The fact that you can be snared but 33 or more players seemingly at the same time has taken all the fun out of it for us. For 5-7 seconds or more if you can survive that long, you cant bar swap, use abilities, take potions etc... u just gotta wait to die. Why isnt there a fair cool down and a limit on snares?

LordTareq

ChefZero wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Did Zeni add a new feature to BG? I'm constantly getting the message "Battlegrounds is not available at this time".

Just spam the button

It's a new minigame they added. You need to show the game your commitment to be granted the privilege of queueing. You do this by spamming the queue button a million times until either the game boots you to login for taking too many actions in a certain timewindow, after which you can try again. Or it rewards you with a place in the sacred battleground queue.

Ramber wrote: »

PvP is full of cowards simply spamming snares so that 1 or 2 people in the group can then execute, The fact that you can be snared but 33 or more players seemingly at the same time has taken all the fun out of it for us. For 5-7 seconds or more if you can survive that long, you cant bar swap, use abilities, take potions etc... u just gotta wait to die. Why isnt there a fair cool down and a limit on snares?

What battlegrounds do you play that have 33 hostile players in them, all out to snare you?

InvictusApollo

Skysenzz wrote: »

Sup, lemme give you my feelings about PvP as a BG player (Mid/High MMR) after few hundreds of games in battleground, on Stamina Dragonknight and Stamina Warden. I've tried a lot of different setups on those two classes, (maybe 20 in total?)
I will mostly talk about Deathmatch, since there's almost no competition in the other game mode.

Those are the worse issues about balance:
-ZOO Sorc everywhere, you almost can't hit them because they have their pets all around them, if you stun them somehow the matriarch go over them so you can't execute them for example (even with tab target, it's a pain). Not gonna talk about unkillable pets too.
-Heavy Nightblade that are unkillable and has really good damage (execute & spectral bow), if somehow you manage to get them to execute, they cloack away, even if I manage to find them with an aoe (Carve/Noxious breath) they can still escape really easily, even if I do it 4-5times.
-Heavy armor in general; everybody is tanky as hell, 25/30k+ HP, I mean... Seriously???
-Soul assault, it deals 17k damage on med armors for 100ultimate and you have no counter play??Blocking will just drain all your stamina if you're not sword and board and will still hit for 8k. If you don't have that (if there's an ice blockade and you're not a sorc you're ***).
-Solo heals/Shields that gives more than you can deal with executioner, ending up seeing some players staying alive for 6-7seconds with ~30% hp even if in 2v1. (also shields give them ressource back? gimme that *** on stam please)
-Medium armor just get destroyed if they're in the melee without dedicated healer/efficient group heal, even if you rolldodge, spin2win will destroy your ass.
-there are also classes that are much more impact and i'm pretty sure that have much better win rate than other classes, for example Warden with their permafrost, really cheap for what it does, they also have really good group heal if they want to do that, magsorc that can auto execute, which help them having lots of kills, they can also survive fairly easily if they're playing safely, resulting they will lose a bit of kills but still on the top average and almost no deaths. Nightblade have little to no impact in high mmr BG if they aren't tanky (except if they're godlike obv :^) ) they can get some kills etc but if the 3 teams are really packed it can get pretty hard for them.

Those are the worse issues about game system or whatever you wanna call it:
-Sometimes, your health jump from 50 to 0, you don't really know why, (The Sniker shows something similar on his latest video "Let's Talk about Elsweyr Patch and the Tank Meta" at 0:45)
-when someone has a stun, and apply it to you, you can't use pots or anything before the hit land (it happened a lot with PRE-Elsweyr patch with Incap, it still happen with skills like DK leap, sometimes your character will freeze himself before the DK even hit the ground), something similar with Fossilize and Cloack from nightblade, if I fossilize a nb at the same time as he cast cloack, the nightblade will be fossilized but he will still go invisible.

There are also some issues that i won't tile like MMR balance that give really unbalanced games and lags (players teleporting around ) but there's already a lot of discussion about that & those won't aknowledge them so what's the point talking about that?

I'm sorry but this is purely a l2p issue. On a sidenote I watching stamina users cry about magicka users. Why? Because when I started playing pvp, I used a magicka build and had a lot of issues with stamina builds. Then I learned how to play and I don't whine when a heavily armored orc rams into m face and instakills me.

SacredEarth

Ramber wrote: »

PvP is full of cowards simply spamming snares so that 1 or 2 people in the group can then execute, The fact that you can be snared but 33 or more players seemingly at the same time has taken all the fun out of it for us. For 5-7 seconds or more if you can survive that long, you cant bar swap, use abilities, take potions etc... u just gotta wait to die. Why isnt there a fair cool down and a limit on snares?

This!

Skysenzz

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

Sup, lemme give you my feelings about PvP as a BG player (Mid/High MMR) after few hundreds of games in battleground, on Stamina Dragonknight and Stamina Warden. I've tried a lot of different setups on those two classes, (maybe 20 in total?)
I will mostly talk about Deathmatch, since there's almost no competition in the other game mode.

Those are the worse issues about balance:
-ZOO Sorc everywhere, you almost can't hit them because they have their pets all around them, if you stun them somehow the matriarch go over them so you can't execute them for example (even with tab target, it's a pain). Not gonna talk about unkillable pets too.
-Heavy Nightblade that are unkillable and has really good damage (execute & spectral bow), if somehow you manage to get them to execute, they cloack away, even if I manage to find them with an aoe (Carve/Noxious breath) they can still escape really easily, even if I do it 4-5times.
-Heavy armor in general; everybody is tanky as hell, 25/30k+ HP, I mean... Seriously???
-Soul assault, it deals 17k damage on med armors for 100ultimate and you have no counter play??Blocking will just drain all your stamina if you're not sword and board and will still hit for 8k. If you don't have that (if there's an ice blockade and you're not a sorc you're ***).
-Solo heals/Shields that gives more than you can deal with executioner, ending up seeing some players staying alive for 6-7seconds with ~30% hp even if in 2v1. (also shields give them ressource back? gimme that *** on stam please)
-Medium armor just get destroyed if they're in the melee without dedicated healer/efficient group heal, even if you rolldodge, spin2win will destroy your ass.
-there are also classes that are much more impact and i'm pretty sure that have much better win rate than other classes, for example Warden with their permafrost, really cheap for what it does, they also have really good group heal if they want to do that, magsorc that can auto execute, which help them having lots of kills, they can also survive fairly easily if they're playing safely, resulting they will lose a bit of kills but still on the top average and almost no deaths. Nightblade have little to no impact in high mmr BG if they aren't tanky (except if they're godlike obv :^) ) they can get some kills etc but if the 3 teams are really packed it can get pretty hard for them.

Those are the worse issues about game system or whatever you wanna call it:
-Sometimes, your health jump from 50 to 0, you don't really know why, (The Sniker shows something similar on his latest video "Let's Talk about Elsweyr Patch and the Tank Meta" at 0:45)
-when someone has a stun, and apply it to you, you can't use pots or anything before the hit land (it happened a lot with PRE-Elsweyr patch with Incap, it still happen with skills like DK leap, sometimes your character will freeze himself before the DK even hit the ground), something similar with Fossilize and Cloack from nightblade, if I fossilize a nb at the same time as he cast cloack, the nightblade will be fossilized but he will still go invisible.

There are also some issues that i won't tile like MMR balance that give really unbalanced games and lags (players teleporting around ) but there's already a lot of discussion about that & those won't aknowledge them so what's the point talking about that?

I'm sorry but this is purely a l2p issue. On a sidenote I watching stamina users cry about magicka users. Why? Because when I started playing pvp, I used a magicka build and had a lot of issues with stamina builds. Then I learned how to play and I don't whine when a heavily armored orc rams into m face and instakills me.

Unbalances are definitly L2P issue, thanks for that.

Shouldn't have put Soul Assault in the list I guess, because of that people seems to ignore everything else in my *** post.

darkblue5

Skysenzz wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

Sup, lemme give you my feelings about PvP as a BG player (Mid/High MMR) after few hundreds of games in battleground, on Stamina Dragonknight and Stamina Warden. I've tried a lot of different setups on those two classes, (maybe 20 in total?)
I will mostly talk about Deathmatch, since there's almost no competition in the other game mode.

Those are the worse issues about balance:
-ZOO Sorc everywhere, you almost can't hit them because they have their pets all around them, if you stun them somehow the matriarch go over them so you can't execute them for example (even with tab target, it's a pain). Not gonna talk about unkillable pets too.
-Heavy Nightblade that are unkillable and has really good damage (execute & spectral bow), if somehow you manage to get them to execute, they cloack away, even if I manage to find them with an aoe (Carve/Noxious breath) they can still escape really easily, even if I do it 4-5times.
-Heavy armor in general; everybody is tanky as hell, 25/30k+ HP, I mean... Seriously???
-Soul assault, it deals 17k damage on med armors for 100ultimate and you have no counter play??Blocking will just drain all your stamina if you're not sword and board and will still hit for 8k. If you don't have that (if there's an ice blockade and you're not a sorc you're ***).
-Solo heals/Shields that gives more than you can deal with executioner, ending up seeing some players staying alive for 6-7seconds with ~30% hp even if in 2v1. (also shields give them ressource back? gimme that *** on stam please)
-Medium armor just get destroyed if they're in the melee without dedicated healer/efficient group heal, even if you rolldodge, spin2win will destroy your ass.
-there are also classes that are much more impact and i'm pretty sure that have much better win rate than other classes, for example Warden with their permafrost, really cheap for what it does, they also have really good group heal if they want to do that, magsorc that can auto execute, which help them having lots of kills, they can also survive fairly easily if they're playing safely, resulting they will lose a bit of kills but still on the top average and almost no deaths. Nightblade have little to no impact in high mmr BG if they aren't tanky (except if they're godlike obv :^) ) they can get some kills etc but if the 3 teams are really packed it can get pretty hard for them.

Those are the worse issues about game system or whatever you wanna call it:
-Sometimes, your health jump from 50 to 0, you don't really know why, (The Sniker shows something similar on his latest video "Let's Talk about Elsweyr Patch and the Tank Meta" at 0:45)
-when someone has a stun, and apply it to you, you can't use pots or anything before the hit land (it happened a lot with PRE-Elsweyr patch with Incap, it still happen with skills like DK leap, sometimes your character will freeze himself before the DK even hit the ground), something similar with Fossilize and Cloack from nightblade, if I fossilize a nb at the same time as he cast cloack, the nightblade will be fossilized but he will still go invisible.

There are also some issues that i won't tile like MMR balance that give really unbalanced games and lags (players teleporting around ) but there's already a lot of discussion about that & those won't aknowledge them so what's the point talking about that?

I'm sorry but this is purely a l2p issue. On a sidenote I watching stamina users cry about magicka users. Why? Because when I started playing pvp, I used a magicka build and had a lot of issues with stamina builds. Then I learned how to play and I don't whine when a heavily armored orc rams into m face and instakills me.

Unbalances are definitly L2P issue, thanks for that.

Shouldn't have put Soul Assault in the list I guess, because of that people seems to ignore everything else in my *** post.

Pretty sure what people mean by that is that you should learn to play (the overtuned thing).
Back when procs could crit and instantly hit it was a L2P issue in as much as you had to L2P with them and give up on not cheesing people to death.
I'm sort of joking but I'm also not exactly joking. I mean, there are people who think magsorcs this patch aren't overtuned because they died once while playing magsorc... The last time magsorcs were on top was the good ol' rune cage into Meteor meta that people also defended as fair and balanced because you could simply build into being too tanky to kill.
Pretty sure if I dig through the forums I'll find that dynamic ultigen vamp DKs were defending with a L2P argument too. (Was playing back then but wasn't on forums cause ZOS botched the email invite and I gave up on figuring it out. Probably would be better for everyone if I never got ZOS to send me another invite .)

thedude33

Waffennacht wrote: »

1 MMr is account based, not character, so you can see any class at any mmr,
2 MMr is mostly representative of time playing

Conclusion: anyone with any class can eventually find themselves in the top mmr

hrmm, why all this time I thought it was character based.

LordTareq

darkblue5 wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Skysenzz wrote: »

Sup, lemme give you my feelings about PvP as a BG player (Mid/High MMR) after few hundreds of games in battleground, on Stamina Dragonknight and Stamina Warden. I've tried a lot of different setups on those two classes, (maybe 20 in total?)
I will mostly talk about Deathmatch, since there's almost no competition in the other game mode.

Those are the worse issues about balance:
-ZOO Sorc everywhere, you almost can't hit them because they have their pets all around them, if you stun them somehow the matriarch go over them so you can't execute them for example (even with tab target, it's a pain). Not gonna talk about unkillable pets too.
-Heavy Nightblade that are unkillable and has really good damage (execute & spectral bow), if somehow you manage to get them to execute, they cloack away, even if I manage to find them with an aoe (Carve/Noxious breath) they can still escape really easily, even if I do it 4-5times.
-Heavy armor in general; everybody is tanky as hell, 25/30k+ HP, I mean... Seriously???
-Soul assault, it deals 17k damage on med armors for 100ultimate and you have no counter play??Blocking will just drain all your stamina if you're not sword and board and will still hit for 8k. If you don't have that (if there's an ice blockade and you're not a sorc you're ***).
-Solo heals/Shields that gives more than you can deal with executioner, ending up seeing some players staying alive for 6-7seconds with ~30% hp even if in 2v1. (also shields give them ressource back? gimme that *** on stam please)
-Medium armor just get destroyed if they're in the melee without dedicated healer/efficient group heal, even if you rolldodge, spin2win will destroy your ass.
-there are also classes that are much more impact and i'm pretty sure that have much better win rate than other classes, for example Warden with their permafrost, really cheap for what it does, they also have really good group heal if they want to do that, magsorc that can auto execute, which help them having lots of kills, they can also survive fairly easily if they're playing safely, resulting they will lose a bit of kills but still on the top average and almost no deaths. Nightblade have little to no impact in high mmr BG if they aren't tanky (except if they're godlike obv :^) ) they can get some kills etc but if the 3 teams are really packed it can get pretty hard for them.

Those are the worse issues about game system or whatever you wanna call it:
-Sometimes, your health jump from 50 to 0, you don't really know why, (The Sniker shows something similar on his latest video "Let's Talk about Elsweyr Patch and the Tank Meta" at 0:45)
-when someone has a stun, and apply it to you, you can't use pots or anything before the hit land (it happened a lot with PRE-Elsweyr patch with Incap, it still happen with skills like DK leap, sometimes your character will freeze himself before the DK even hit the ground), something similar with Fossilize and Cloack from nightblade, if I fossilize a nb at the same time as he cast cloack, the nightblade will be fossilized but he will still go invisible.

There are also some issues that i won't tile like MMR balance that give really unbalanced games and lags (players teleporting around ) but there's already a lot of discussion about that & those won't aknowledge them so what's the point talking about that?

I'm sorry but this is purely a l2p issue. On a sidenote I watching stamina users cry about magicka users. Why? Because when I started playing pvp, I used a magicka build and had a lot of issues with stamina builds. Then I learned how to play and I don't whine when a heavily armored orc rams into m face and instakills me.

Unbalances are definitly L2P issue, thanks for that.

Shouldn't have put Soul Assault in the list I guess, because of that people seems to ignore everything else in my *** post.

Pretty sure what people mean by that is that you should learn to play (the overtuned thing).
Back when procs could crit and instantly hit it was a L2P issue in as much as you had to L2P with them and give up on not cheesing people to death.
I'm sort of joking but I'm also not exactly joking. I mean, there are people who think magsorcs this patch aren't overtuned because they died once while playing magsorc... The last time magsorcs were on top was the good ol' rune cage into Meteor meta that people also defended as fair and balanced because you could simply build into being too tanky to kill.
Pretty sure if I dig through the forums I'll find that dynamic ultigen vamp DKs were defending with a L2P argument too. (Was playing back then but wasn't on forums cause ZOS botched the email invite and I gave up on figuring it out. Probably would be better for everyone if I never got ZOS to send me another invite .)

Yup and now its the Necromancer ultimate. "It's fine, it's just new! Just learn to play!...Doing 15k bash damage per second is fine, you just need to adapt! ...Oh just kite them for the duration of the ultimate or just run away! Yes it's fine, really, just learn to play..."
Yup because none of these stamcros have any gapclosers slotted or have any snares/CC.They are just standing still bashing people that come close.

Thogard

thedude33 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

1 MMr is account based, not character, so you can see any class at any mmr,
2 MMr is mostly representative of time playing

Conclusion: anyone with any class can eventually find themselves in the top mmr

hrmm, why all this time I thought it was character based.

It is character based.