So I can't do BGs anymore after 50?

Aurielle

Milisa224 wrote: »

Glad I'm not alone in this. I had to get a full gear set with full Impenetrable Trait. Meaning I either had to buy these sets or change the Traits myself via a Guild/Friend or the Clockwork DLC. The game doesn't warn people once they hit level 50, so they get butchered by those who have full sets of Gold gear.

I recently had alot of fun before I hit level 50 with my Necromancer, so I went ahead and subscribed to ESO Plus thinking that PvP in this game had been improved since I've left the game years ago. But it didn't. It's still the same old unbalanced gameplay with gear and class meta.

This game could have been Competitive in comparison to games like WoW but I've already cancelled my ESO Plus Membership after a few matches even with full Impenetrable gear. It's really annoying to be a Necromancer DPS with off heals and seeing this Nightblade take no damage while they force stealth out and deal 80% damage while stunning me.

If anyone shares the same mind tell them this; "If you want a PvE game, play ESO. If you want a fair PvP game, play WoW or Guild Wars 2". Of course they will be fanboys disagreeing with this but hence why even Streamers don't bother to play PvP in this game because well, it sucks.

You can’t compete against other players, so you simply dismiss your own lack of experience as “PVP in this game sucks”?

There are definitely some long-standing issues on the PVP side of things that need to be addressed, don’t get me wrong. PVP in this game is very rewarding and fun, though, if you put in the time and effort to get better at it.

Also, have you SEEN the number of complaints about Necromancers and how underpowered they are in PVP in these forums? Try the other classes before you completely dismiss PVP in ESO.

Milisa224

Noctus wrote: »

look ur right about the cp but no cp bg is not like that. u probably dont even have a quarter of my mmo experience. i played them all over hundreds of hours i preordered the deluxe edition of gw 2 i was in dcuo at its peak of pvp i have multiple maxed out characters in swtor to get all the passive buffs when playing pvp. i had a fully monster pieces geared character in bdo with tet armor/weapons and tri jewelry.

in all honesty dcuo and blade and soul had so far the best pvp but eso pvp is atleast a little better than gw2 and far better than WoW
its pretty good pvp on "nocp"mode.

i personally was actually bad at start. there is a learning curve in pvp in this game. nowadays ive reached even scores up to 80 kill 15 assist to 0 deaths.... that was unthinkable back then when i started out in pvp.

ur just screwed becouse u lvled up by doing bg and ur mmr carried over to 50+. now ur fighting very experienced pvp players which outplay u in every way.

on top of that u probably have no idea of how to build ur character for ur own playstyle.

I personally Pre-Ordered the Collectors Edition of Guild Wars 2 since I moved over from SWTOR after 4 years. Turns out the game wasn't for me so I took a break from it for 2 years and went back to SWTOR again. So after some time I went to Guild Wars 2 and gave PvP a chance, found out how the mechanics work, debuffs, buffs, self healing. It was very different from both SWTOR and WoW.

How does this related to ESO? ESO has self heals and almost the same amount of freedom except not a fair fight for sure. In Guild Wars 2, I could solo a Ranked player with just the PvP buff without getting 1 shot at. I did not need any special gear, maybe a specific build for certain weapons yes but gear did not matter.

WoW still has the PvP experience in an MMO so far. Tab lock is indeed scummy but atleast players did not die being 1 shot at. They did not require any specific gear, just the stats and build of their traits in their gear. As a DPS, I did DPS. I couldn't tank damage, I couldn't heal, excluding lifesteal and that's how it should be. A Nightblade in ESO, instantly heals from 20% health, stuns me even though I'm blocking and I died with over 80% health in under a second. Do you people consider that a fair fight? I hope not.

I did not level up doing just BGs. Unlike most people that do Dolmens for levels, I do questing and alot of them. As I stated in my previous post, I did not know Level 50 BGs were the main problem to why I left this game for a couple of years. I just came back recently during the Elsweyr update and enjoyed PvPing on my Necromancer below Level 50 BGs to the point I subscribed to ESO Plus. I thought PvP in this game had been improve but clearly it is not.

If you're going to brag about my play style of build, you're wasting your time. Because I had no problems with other MMOs and see no reason why ESO should be special. Even if I did not have Tri-Tet gear like you do in BDO, I had a fighting chance and still did some damage before my character went down.

Guess there is no fix for this but the same old excuse "You're not experienced like those veteran 10 year ESO PvPers so you're not expected to win". I can see why most players avoid PvP in this game.

Sylosi

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

People telling me stuff like "You need proper sets/enchant, get impen" etc. etc. and I'm just like...wtf? Freaking BGs in this game aren't just scaled so people can play with their skills and classes? I have to now go farm for golden gear for weeks as well before I can PVP again? This sucks so hard...

PvP in ESO is basically "PvP" for PvE players (which is what most of those who think they are "PvP" players really are at their core), guys who have no real interest in skilled or competitive PvP.

Which to be fair bar the rare exception (the 5v5 mode in Guild Wars 2 for instance) is the case in a lot of MMORPGs, which is of course the main reason PvP is such a failure in MMORPGs, PvP that is competitively a joke just produces dull, low quality PvP.

Aurielle

Sylosi wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

People telling me stuff like "You need proper sets/enchant, get impen" etc. etc. and I'm just like...wtf? Freaking BGs in this game aren't just scaled so people can play with their skills and classes? I have to now go farm for golden gear for weeks as well before I can PVP again? This sucks so hard...

PvP in ESO is basically "PvP" for PvE players (which is what most of those who think they are "PvP" players really are at their core), guys who have no real interest in skilled or competitive PvP.

Which to be fair bar the rare exception (the 5v5 mode in Guild Wars 2 for instance) is the case in a lot of MMORPGs, which is of course the main reason PvP is such a failure in MMORPGs, PvP that is competitively a joke just produces dull, low quality PvP.

That’s a pretty gross generalization you’ve made there, chum. I won’t deny that there are people out there who build for cheese and let their sets do most of the work for them. Don’t lump us all in the same category, though; there are plenty of us who care about skill. The toughest players in BGs are those who use simple stat-based sets combined with excellent knowledge of the class they’re playing, along with a lot of experience.

PVP in MMOs will never be like FPS games or MOBAs. It’s unfair to call it “not real PVP,” though, just because you have the option of creating a build of your own with a wide variety of gear sets.

Aurielle

Milisa224 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

look ur right about the cp but no cp bg is not like that. u probably dont even have a quarter of my mmo experience. i played them all over hundreds of hours i preordered the deluxe edition of gw 2 i was in dcuo at its peak of pvp i have multiple maxed out characters in swtor to get all the passive buffs when playing pvp. i had a fully monster pieces geared character in bdo with tet armor/weapons and tri jewelry.

in all honesty dcuo and blade and soul had so far the best pvp but eso pvp is atleast a little better than gw2 and far better than WoW
its pretty good pvp on "nocp"mode.

i personally was actually bad at start. there is a learning curve in pvp in this game. nowadays ive reached even scores up to 80 kill 15 assist to 0 deaths.... that was unthinkable back then when i started out in pvp.

ur just screwed becouse u lvled up by doing bg and ur mmr carried over to 50+. now ur fighting very experienced pvp players which outplay u in every way.

on top of that u probably have no idea of how to build ur character for ur own playstyle.

I personally Pre-Ordered the Collectors Edition of Guild Wars 2 since I moved over from SWTOR after 4 years. Turns out the game wasn't for me so I took a break from it for 2 years and went back to SWTOR again. So after some time I went to Guild Wars 2 and gave PvP a chance, found out how the mechanics work, debuffs, buffs, self healing. It was very different from both SWTOR and WoW.

How does this related to ESO? ESO has self heals and almost the same amount of freedom except not a fair fight for sure. In Guild Wars 2, I could solo a Ranked player with just the PvP buff without getting 1 shot at. I did not need any special gear, maybe a specific build for certain weapons yes but gear did not matter.

WoW still has the PvP experience in an MMO so far. Tab lock is indeed scummy but atleast players did not die being 1 shot at. They did not require any specific gear, just the stats and build of their traits in their gear. As a DPS, I did DPS. I couldn't tank damage, I couldn't heal, excluding lifesteal and that's how it should be. A Nightblade in ESO, instantly heals from 20% health, stuns me even though I'm blocking and I died with over 80% health in under a second. Do you people consider that a fair fight? I hope not.

I did not level up doing just BGs. Unlike most people that do Dolmens for levels, I do questing and alot of them. As I stated in my previous post, I did not know Level 50 BGs were the main problem to why I left this game for a couple of years. I just came back recently during the Elsweyr update and enjoyed PvPing on my Necromancer below Level 50 BGs to the point I subscribed to ESO Plus. I thought PvP in this game had been improve but clearly it is not.

If you're going to brag about my play style of build, you're wasting your time. Because I had no problems with other MMOs and see no reason why ESO should be special. Even if I did not have Tri-Tet gear like you do in BDO, I had a fighting chance and still did some damage before my character went down.

Guess there is no fix for this but the same old excuse "You're not experienced like those veteran 10 year ESO PvPers so you're not expected to win". I can see why most players avoid PvP in this game.

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright. You were playing an off-healing Magicka Necromancer and expecting to outdamage stamNBs. Necromancer is a brand new class that, according to many, many people in this forum, is in need of serious buffs — especially Magicka Necromancer. Try Magicka Sorcerer, or Stamina Warden. You’ll have an easier time of things.

Also, if you’re dying in a second, you likely need to take a hard look at your defenses before you insist that PVP in this game “sucks”. What are you using for Major Ward/Resolve? How much crit resist do you have? Are you using damage shields? Are you preemptively using heals over time? There are plenty of defensive tools available to magicka classes; if you don’t use them, yes, you’re going to have a hard time.

Also also, if you’re not Undaunted rank 10 (which I’m going to assume is the case for you), your stats will be lower than they could be.

Why is it such a big deal that you have to prepare for vet level PVP in this game? Remember, PVP was originally considered THE PRIMARY endgame in ESO. MMORPGs have always focused on gear and grinds, and I don’t see why you would think ESO would be any different. If you want to continue to play easy mode PVP in this game against new and inexperienced players, you’re free to keep making and deleting new characters to play in under 50 BGs.

ChunkyCat

Aurielle wrote: »

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright.

I disagree.

Dismiss PvP in this game and go play a game that you actually enjoy.

Life’s too short for you to spend it crying on a message board.

Aurielle

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright.

I disagree.

Dismiss PvP in this game and go play a game that you actually enjoy.

Life’s too short for you to spend it crying on a message board.

Well, that’s one way to deal with it, I guess.

I miss the generation of gamers that enjoyed challenges and didn’t immediately give up at the first sign of actual difficulty...

ChunkyCat

I miss the feeling of new Game of Thrones episodes.

We all have our regrets.

daemonor

Not to sound angry or something but stop with your delusions of "neckbeards who farmed gold gear for years and have an advantage" you literally cant feel the difference if ur gear is all epic or gold EXCLUDING WEAPON. Yes you have to make your weapon gold, the rest is of minimal importance. Yes you were having fun cause you were stomping total noobs who probably click spells with their mouse and they cant even cast spells/move at the same time fluidly cause its too confusing for a new player, let alone weave/barswap/cast skills on point.

You are bad, accept it and you find ways to improve. I can barely feel the difference if im in light divines or heavy impen if i get caught by 2 players off guard, the heavy version of me dies maybe 1 or 2 secs slower. Imagine my dissapoitment when in my small head I thought id be invincible in heavy pariahs with vampire passives, but in reality i just felt like i did less damage ran out of resources faster and died probably just as fast...

Good players make full damage builds work and seem invincible, cause you heal for a lot and drop someone in a swing+la+dbos combo when timed right. It's all about game knowledge, experience and skill.

Waffennacht

Dude, gear is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of ESO and you want to be able to ignore it and do well?

wheem_ESO

Aurielle wrote: »

Milisa224 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

look ur right about the cp but no cp bg is not like that. u probably dont even have a quarter of my mmo experience. i played them all over hundreds of hours i preordered the deluxe edition of gw 2 i was in dcuo at its peak of pvp i have multiple maxed out characters in swtor to get all the passive buffs when playing pvp. i had a fully monster pieces geared character in bdo with tet armor/weapons and tri jewelry.

in all honesty dcuo and blade and soul had so far the best pvp but eso pvp is atleast a little better than gw2 and far better than WoW
its pretty good pvp on "nocp"mode.

i personally was actually bad at start. there is a learning curve in pvp in this game. nowadays ive reached even scores up to 80 kill 15 assist to 0 deaths.... that was unthinkable back then when i started out in pvp.

ur just screwed becouse u lvled up by doing bg and ur mmr carried over to 50+. now ur fighting very experienced pvp players which outplay u in every way.

on top of that u probably have no idea of how to build ur character for ur own playstyle.

I personally Pre-Ordered the Collectors Edition of Guild Wars 2 since I moved over from SWTOR after 4 years. Turns out the game wasn't for me so I took a break from it for 2 years and went back to SWTOR again. So after some time I went to Guild Wars 2 and gave PvP a chance, found out how the mechanics work, debuffs, buffs, self healing. It was very different from both SWTOR and WoW.

How does this related to ESO? ESO has self heals and almost the same amount of freedom except not a fair fight for sure. In Guild Wars 2, I could solo a Ranked player with just the PvP buff without getting 1 shot at. I did not need any special gear, maybe a specific build for certain weapons yes but gear did not matter.

WoW still has the PvP experience in an MMO so far. Tab lock is indeed scummy but atleast players did not die being 1 shot at. They did not require any specific gear, just the stats and build of their traits in their gear. As a DPS, I did DPS. I couldn't tank damage, I couldn't heal, excluding lifesteal and that's how it should be. A Nightblade in ESO, instantly heals from 20% health, stuns me even though I'm blocking and I died with over 80% health in under a second. Do you people consider that a fair fight? I hope not.

I did not level up doing just BGs. Unlike most people that do Dolmens for levels, I do questing and alot of them. As I stated in my previous post, I did not know Level 50 BGs were the main problem to why I left this game for a couple of years. I just came back recently during the Elsweyr update and enjoyed PvPing on my Necromancer below Level 50 BGs to the point I subscribed to ESO Plus. I thought PvP in this game had been improve but clearly it is not.

If you're going to brag about my play style of build, you're wasting your time. Because I had no problems with other MMOs and see no reason why ESO should be special. Even if I did not have Tri-Tet gear like you do in BDO, I had a fighting chance and still did some damage before my character went down.

Guess there is no fix for this but the same old excuse "You're not experienced like those veteran 10 year ESO PvPers so you're not expected to win". I can see why most players avoid PvP in this game.

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright. You were playing an off-healing Magicka Necromancer and expecting to outdamage stamNBs. Necromancer is a brand new class that, according to many, many people in this forum, is in need of serious buffs — especially Magicka Necromancer. Try Magicka Sorcerer, or Stamina Warden. You’ll have an easier time of things.

I'm one of those people that's been posting a lot on the forums, and it's true - Magicka Necromancer's offense is absolutely awful. Don't expect to kill good players by yourself, because you simply don't have the tools necessary to do so. Even killing bad players is more difficult than it is on basically any other class, due to the Blastbones being so unreliable. 'Course, you can sometimes kill several weak players at once with a Colossus Ultimate that they don't move out of.

Magicka Necromancer also has no mobility of its own, which means that, like most other non-Sorc Magicka classes, you really "have" to build in a significant amount of defense if you want to have any success vs good players. Even with full Impenetrable armor, 3x Protective Jewelry, and the resists from Pirate Skeleton, you can get blown up really fast if the Major Protection isn't proc'd.

If you invest the same amount of time and effort into learning another class, you'll have more success on pretty much anything in the game other than an offense-oriented Magicka Necromancer right now. The class probably has some potential as a dedicated healer, but that's frequently not a worthwhile setup in the low-to-mid MMR ranges...people will run off solo constantly, leave you to get 4v1'd after you save their bacon, not do enough damage to actually kill anything even if you're keeping them alive, etc...

I'm extremely disappointed in the state that Magicka Necromancer is currently in, and after the history with Magicka Warden over the last ~2 years, my confidence in ZOS fixing anything in a timely manner is basically non-existent. For that matter, there are probably a number of things that will never get fixed for PvP, as long as PvE players can get decent numbers in front of a target dummy.

Milisa224

Aurielle wrote: »

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright. You were playing an off-healing Magicka Necromancer and expecting to outdamage stamNBs. Necromancer is a brand new class that, according to many, many people in this forum, is in need of serious buffs — especially Magicka Necromancer. Try Magicka Sorcerer, or Stamina Warden. You’ll have an easier time of things.

Also, if you’re dying in a second, you likely need to take a hard look at your defenses before you insist that PVP in this game “sucks”. What are you using for Major Ward/Resolve? How much crit resist do you have? Are you using damage shields? Are you preemptively using heals over time? There are plenty of defensive tools available to magicka classes; if you don’t use them, yes, you’re going to have a hard time.

Also also, if you’re not Undaunted rank 10 (which I’m going to assume is the case for you), your stats will be lower than they could be.

Why is it such a big deal that you have to prepare for vet level PVP in this game? Remember, PVP was originally considered THE PRIMARY endgame in ESO. MMORPGs have always focused on gear and grinds, and I don’t see why you would think ESO would be any different. If you want to continue to play easy mode PVP in this game against new and inexperienced players, you’re free to keep making and deleting new characters to play in under 50 BGs.

So you mean I spent money on a class that sucks on day 1? But again but is it so fun in Below 50 BGs? Why does it have to be different? I won't create a Sorcerer since they're highly overplayed and very easy to use.

Why would I have a Damage Shield as a Magicka user? Are you stupid? Do you know how fast my Stamina drains when I block that overpowered Ballista ability? I use Summoner's Armor for Major Ward/Resolve obviously. I have full crit resistance on all my armor again obviously. I literally spam Resistant Flesh but I keep dying in an instant. Don't make up excuses, thanks.

So now I have to level another skill line just to be good at PvP? Lmao ok.

No tutorials, nothing. Like me and OP said, PvP below 50 was so much fun, why does it have to be different for vet PvP? If PvP is the endgame of ESO then why is the game mostly famous for its PvE? No real competitions for all the "Veteran 24/7 ESO ESports PvP players" to earn money for their hard work and skill? I doubt I was playing against new and inexperienced players below 50 PvP but you are free to make your own false judgments.

Aurielle

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

As I said earlier, try PVPing on a different class before you dismiss PVP in this game outright. You were playing an off-healing Magicka Necromancer and expecting to outdamage stamNBs. Necromancer is a brand new class that, according to many, many people in this forum, is in need of serious buffs — especially Magicka Necromancer. Try Magicka Sorcerer, or Stamina Warden. You’ll have an easier time of things.

Also, if you’re dying in a second, you likely need to take a hard look at your defenses before you insist that PVP in this game “sucks”. What are you using for Major Ward/Resolve? How much crit resist do you have? Are you using damage shields? Are you preemptively using heals over time? There are plenty of defensive tools available to magicka classes; if you don’t use them, yes, you’re going to have a hard time.

Also also, if you’re not Undaunted rank 10 (which I’m going to assume is the case for you), your stats will be lower than they could be.

Why is it such a big deal that you have to prepare for vet level PVP in this game? Remember, PVP was originally considered THE PRIMARY endgame in ESO. MMORPGs have always focused on gear and grinds, and I don’t see why you would think ESO would be any different. If you want to continue to play easy mode PVP in this game against new and inexperienced players, you’re free to keep making and deleting new characters to play in under 50 BGs.

So you mean I spent money on a class that sucks on day 1? But again but is it so fun in Below 50 BGs? Why does it have to be different? I won't create a Sorcerer since they're highly overplayed and very easy to use.

Why would I have a Damage Shield as a Magicka user? Are you stupid? Do you know how fast my Stamina drains when I block that overpowered Ballista ability? I use Summoner's Armor for Major Ward/Resolve obviously. I have full crit resistance on all my armor again obviously. I literally spam Resistant Flesh but I keep dying in an instant. Don't make up excuses, thanks.

So now I have to level another skill line just to be good at PvP? Lmao ok.

No tutorials, nothing. Like me and OP said, PvP below 50 was so much fun, why does it have to be different for vet PvP? If PvP is the endgame of ESO then why is the game mostly famous for its PvE? No real competitions for all the "Veteran 24/7 ESO ESports PvP players" to earn money for their hard work and skill? I doubt I was playing against new and inexperienced players below 50 PvP but you are free to make your own false judgments.

Wow. “Are you stupid”? That’s how you speak to an experienced player who is just trying to help you? Tone it down a notch there, bud. There is a powerful magicka damage shield available to you as a light armor user that does not require “levelling another skill line” or using stamina — which you would know if you took even ten minutes out of your day to look up some builds. It’s called Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic, and it’s available in the light armour skill line: https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/dampen-magic You’re welcome. Jesus.

*shakes head*

Milisa224

Aurielle wrote: »

Wow. “Are you stupid”? That’s how you speak to an experienced player who is just trying to help you? Tone it down a notch there, bud. There is a powerful magicka damage shield available to you as a light armor user that does not require “levelling another skill line” or using stamina — which you would know if you took even ten minutes out of your day to look up some builds. It’s called Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic, and it’s available in the light armour skill line. You’re welcome. Jesus.

*shakes head*

"An experienced player" You think I'd want advise from a game where there are only 5 skill bars for each 2 weapons? So lets just say I have this Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic ability you recommended me but I already have Ward Ally which not only protects me but also one of my group members. I'll be wasting my skill bars just by slotting another damage shield. Like I said, you're stupid. Also my build is via a website for PvP and it did help with single target damage (since Necro's are PvE AoE forcused) but it still does not 1 shot people like most players do in vet PvP.

Aurielle

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Wow. “Are you stupid”? That’s how you speak to an experienced player who is just trying to help you? Tone it down a notch there, bud. There is a powerful magicka damage shield available to you as a light armor user that does not require “levelling another skill line” or using stamina — which you would know if you took even ten minutes out of your day to look up some builds. It’s called Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic, and it’s available in the light armour skill line. You’re welcome. Jesus.

*shakes head*

"An experienced player" You think I'd want advise from a game where there are only 5 skill bars for each 2 weapons? So lets just say I have this Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic ability you recommended me but I already have Ward Ally which not only protects me but also one of my group members. I'll be wasting my skill bars just by slotting another damage shield. Like I said, you're stupid. Also my build is via a website for PvP and it did help with single target damage (since Necro's are PvE AoE forcused) but it still does not 1 shot people like most players do in vet PvP.

Again, wow. You’re going to get this thread closed if you keep randomly insulting people for no reason whatsoever. Looks to me like you’re trying to backtrack and save face after making a mistake grounded in inexperience (i.e. assuming that I meant a physical shield, as in one hand and shield, when I said “damage shield” — a phrase that has always referred to magicka-based shields in this game). If you’re already using Ward Ally, then yeah, you don’t necessarily need another damage shield. That being said, shield stacking is something people do when they’re learning and need an extra bit of protection.

Anyway, vet PVP is hard with a steep learning curve, especially if you were placed in a higher tier MMR bracket after winning some matches in under 50 BGs. You can’t expect to master it in a few days. Also, under 50 BGs are not even remotely representative of the skill level required for vet level BGs. I’m sorry if you don’t like hearing that you need to improve, but it’s the truth. Good, experienced players generally don’t get one- or two-shot. You can’t expect to beat top players the moment you graduate from under 50 BGs.

Milisa224

Aurielle wrote: »

Milisa224 wrote: »

Again, wow. You’re going to get this thread closed if you keep randomly insulting people for no reason whatsoever. Looks to me like you’re trying to backtrack and save face after making a mistake grounded in inexperience (i.e. assuming that I meant a physical shield, as in one hand and shield, when I said “damage shield” — a phrase that has always referred to magicka-based shields in this game). If you’re already using Ward Ally, then yeah, you don’t necessarily need another damage shield. That being said, shield stacking is something people do when they’re learning and need an extra bit of protection.

Anyway, vet PVP is hard with a steep learning curve, especially if you were placed in a higher tier MMR bracket after winning some matches in under 50 BGs. You can’t expect to master it in a few days. Also, under 50 BGs are not even remotely representative of the skill level required for vet level BGs. I’m sorry if you don’t like hearing that you need to improve, but it’s the truth. Good, experienced players generally don’t get one- or two-shot. You can’t expect to beat top players the moment you graduate from under 50 BGs.

Randomly insulting people? No I'm just insulting you, ESO's number #1 ESports gamer who's advising an undergraduate ESO PvPer. Right? I don't need shield stacking unless I'm a healer which I am because I have no choice but I'd rather just spam Resistant Flesh with a couple few healing abilities like Mutagen for last minute saves and Spirit Guardian to absorb 10% damage for a good 16 seconds.

Vet PvP is not hard. Clearly its unbalanced and there are meta's to it at this point considering you keep telling me to switch over to other classes and I have to do all the leveling again just to get 1 shot by some Sorcerer. I don't have to improve, there are alot of theads that state how bad the endgame PvP system is in ESO and I'm glad its not successful like WoW or else the meta for MMO itself will be based off specific classes and gear.

A Shadow Priest in WoW is almost equivalent to a Necromancer in ESO. Except that class could do damage and evade to change the tide of battle. I see no reason to improve on PvP in this game as again it clearly sucks. I'd like to see a person like you with so much pride actually form a Competitive team and do ESports but we both know ESO doesn't have the basics to host competitions. Most of the game's I play, I can have a fair fight, games like Apex Legends, WoW, Planetside 2, Overwatch, even formed teams for real life competitions. What about ESOs PvP though, right it has nothing but 1 shot vet players.

Aurielle

Why are you so angry, @Milisa224 ? And when did I ever say this was an “e-sport”? You’re bashing PVP in ESO without even giving it a proper chance, without giving yourself time to improve, and without being open to receiving advice — that’s all that myself and others have been trying to say here, and you’re being incredibly hostile about it. If vet PVP isn’t hard you should be wrecking face, right, and not getting one-shot, right?

Seriously, if you give yourself some time to learn how to PVP in no CP, vet BGs are very fun. If you’re just going to keep shutting down any views from experienced players that oppose your own, though, you might be better off returning to WoW.

What_In_Tarnation

You can still do BGs without proper gears after 50, but just remember BGs is a group-oriented content, your group will be weaker cause of you. And you can take that as another reason why you don't need to prepare a proper gears.

Milisa224

Aurielle wrote: »

Why are you so angry, @Milisa224 ? And when did I ever say this was an “e-sport”? You’re bashing PVP in ESO without even giving it a proper chance, without giving yourself time to improve, and without being open to receiving advice — that’s all that myself and others have been trying to say here, and you’re being incredibly hostile about it. If vet PVP isn’t hard you should be wrecking face, right, and not getting one-shot, right?

Seriously, if you give yourself some time to learn how to PVP in no CP, vet BGs are very fun. If you’re just going to keep shutting down any views from experienced players that oppose your own, though, you might be better off returning to WoW.

Why am I so angry? Oh I don't know maybe a Veteran PvPer like you is telling a person like me that I have no chance in a game where PvE is the main focus and where PvP isn't a competition and supposed to be a fun addition. But nope, guess I'm wrong about that. There is nothing to improve, I've played but not mastered almost every new competitive games like the ones I stated but ESO, nope, that's exceptional, gotta grind to 810, be level 10 in Undaunted and have to put 10 damage shields in just 5 skill slots. Vet PvP does not have to be hard but the developers made it so no lives like you would dominate and chase out new players hence why its never, ever going to be competitive.

I've already planned to resub to WoW for PvP and have ESO for a PvE experience since I cancelled my ESO Plus membership. Atleast in WoW, vet and new players have a fighting chance but in ESO, that can never be accomplished. You cannot deny that.

WildRaptorX

I know right. Level 50 BGs are the most fun I’ve ever had in this game

jcm2606

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Why are you so angry, @Milisa224 ? And when did I ever say this was an “e-sport”? You’re bashing PVP in ESO without even giving it a proper chance, without giving yourself time to improve, and without being open to receiving advice — that’s all that myself and others have been trying to say here, and you’re being incredibly hostile about it. If vet PVP isn’t hard you should be wrecking face, right, and not getting one-shot, right?

Seriously, if you give yourself some time to learn how to PVP in no CP, vet BGs are very fun. If you’re just going to keep shutting down any views from experienced players that oppose your own, though, you might be better off returning to WoW.

Why am I so angry? Oh I don't know maybe a Veteran PvPer like you is telling a person like me that I have no chance in a game where PvE is the main focus and where PvP isn't a competition and supposed to be a fun addition. But nope, guess I'm wrong about that. There is nothing to improve, I've played but not mastered almost every new competitive games like the ones I stated but ESO, nope, that's exceptional, gotta grind to 810, be level 10 in Undaunted and have to put 10 damage shields in just 5 skill slots. Vet PvP does not have to be hard but the developers made it so no lives like you would dominate and chase out new players hence why its never, ever going to be competitive.

I've already planned to resub to WoW for PvP and have ESO for a PvE experience since I cancelled my ESO Plus membership. Atleast in WoW, vet and new players have a fighting chance but in ESO, that can never be accomplished. You cannot deny that.

Maybe because you're refusing to learn how to actually play the game and do well, instead choosing to cry on the forums about how this game's PVP sucks because you actually have to put time and effort into coming up with a halfway decent build? Maybe because you're insulting everybody who's just trying to help, claiming that you're an excellent player in games with "real PVP", acting like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum? Maybe?

If you don't like this game's PVP, if you're already planning on resubbing to WoW, what are you doing making yourself look like a fool on here? Close the game, uninstall it, and go play something else.

Milisa224

jcm2606 wrote: »

Maybe because you're refusing to learn how to actually play the game and do well, instead choosing to cry on the forums about how this game's PVP sucks because you actually have to put time and effort into coming up with a halfway decent build? Maybe because you're insulting everybody who's just trying to help, claiming that you're an excellent player in games with "real PVP", acting like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum? Maybe?

If you don't like this game's PVP, if you're already planning on resubbing to WoW, what are you doing making yourself look like a fool on here? Close the game, uninstall it, and go play something else.

Again with this "You're refusing to learn, so you can't dps and survive in PvP". I generally know how PvP works. In ESO, its just moving around and using cover/abilities for defense. Offense wise, its mostly just stun and single target ability spam. It's really that simple. My build right now, again, is from https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-necromancer-build-pvp/ except I am forced to replace shield/sword with a restoration staff because of survival purposes.

Even if I link this, there is just going to be someone going "Oh its not a good build" so they'll insert theirs and still I wouldn't be able to do anything regardless. I've been taking hints and tips from "ESO Vet ESports players" but yet nothing has changed. This does not only point out to me but to alot of players in ESO who tried to PvP but have quit due to how bad it is.

wheem_ESO

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Wow. “Are you stupid”? That’s how you speak to an experienced player who is just trying to help you? Tone it down a notch there, bud. There is a powerful magicka damage shield available to you as a light armor user that does not require “levelling another skill line” or using stamina — which you would know if you took even ten minutes out of your day to look up some builds. It’s called Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic, and it’s available in the light armour skill line. You’re welcome. Jesus.

*shakes head*

"An experienced player" You think I'd want advise from a game where there are only 5 skill bars for each 2 weapons? So lets just say I have this Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic ability you recommended me but I already have Ward Ally which not only protects me but also one of my group members. I'll be wasting my skill bars just by slotting another damage shield. Like I said, you're stupid. Also my build is via a website for PvP and it did help with single target damage (since Necro's are PvE AoE forcused) but it still does not 1 shot people like most players do in vet PvP.

It's entirely possible to stack damage shields, but generally not something I'd advise outside of maybe some Sorc setups. Still, if you don't have a Black Rose Prison Resto Staff, and aren't playing as a dedicated healer, I'd generally prefer to use Harness Magicka over Ward Ally; if you're being attacked by other magicka players, Harness will result in basically infinite sustain if you keep it up as much as possible.

What gear sets are you using, and what are your resistances at right now? As a general rule, I think Magicka classes (except possibly Sorc, or Nightblade if they're good) really need to run fairly high resistances. If you're running 2 non-crafted light armor sets, you'll really want to get heavy pieces for your "Monster set" helm and shoulders if possible. Otherwise, aim for heavy armor on the chest and either legs or helm, for a 5 light/2 heavy setup (which has been my preference for a while, even if Undaunted is maxed).

If your current jewelry has any trait other than Protective, I'd try and research it for both necklaces and rings while your ESO+ time is still active, and transmute them all to that trait. Assuming you didn't purchase the Summerset chapter (now a DLC) in the past, you won't be able to do any jewelry crafting once your ESO+ fully runs out, but I think you'll still be able to transmute anything that you already know the trait for, and Protective is invaluable. Damage is still generally too high IMO (as is healing in some cases), but getting your resists up as high as possible while still wearing 5 light armor certainly helps.

Still, as I said before, offensive Magicka Necromancers are hot garbage right now. I really wish they weren't, because once the class was announced I was hoping they'd make a solid replacement for my Magicka Warden, but...yea, outside of healing it's basically the worst class in the game currently.

jcm2606

Milisa224 wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Maybe because you're refusing to learn how to actually play the game and do well, instead choosing to cry on the forums about how this game's PVP sucks because you actually have to put time and effort into coming up with a halfway decent build? Maybe because you're insulting everybody who's just trying to help, claiming that you're an excellent player in games with "real PVP", acting like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum? Maybe?

If you don't like this game's PVP, if you're already planning on resubbing to WoW, what are you doing making yourself look like a fool on here? Close the game, uninstall it, and go play something else.

Again with this "You're refusing to learn, so you can't dps and survive in PvP". I generally know how PvP works. In ESO, its just moving around and using cover/abilities for defense. Offense wise, its mostly just stun and single target ability spam. It's really that simple. My build right now, again, is from https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-necromancer-build-pvp/ except I am forced to replace shield/sword with a restoration staff because of survival purposes.

Even if I link this, there is just going to be someone going "Oh its not a good build" so they'll insert theirs and still I wouldn't be able to do anything regardless. I've been taking hints and tips from "ESO Vet ESports players" but yet nothing has changed. This does not only point out to me but to alot of players in ESO who tried to PvP but have quit due to how bad it is.

If you keep trying builds out, and keep failing, then obviously you don't know how PVP works in ESO. Rather than accepting that and actually trying to learn how it works, you're just digging your heels in, going "I KNOW HOW TO PVP!!!11!11!1!", going on about how PVP sucks because you can't do it right, and insulting anybody who tries to help.

ESO's PVP has a steep learning curve if you're an absolute beginner, because fights can end so quickly, with virtually no feedback of what went wrong. If classes like NB can drop a good player in seconds, imagine how quickly you'll drop. You can't just expect to come into ESO, look at a build, and instantly know how to play. It doesn't work like that. If you don't like that it doesn't work like that, fair enough, go back to WoW, but don't cry on the forums because you won't put the time and effort into actually learning how PVP works in ESO.

As for that build and Necromancer in general, I can't really give an opinion as I haven't played it yet. I do know that the main attack you line burst around, Blastbones, is legitimately bugged at the moment, where the AI can just break, so now might not be the best time to play a Necromancer, at least a magicka variant.

max_only

I agree op. I level alts in sub 50 BGs because I’m a carebear and I’m only there to unlock the Assault skills. I win about a third of the time, and matches are close. They are a lot of fun and I always mean it when I say GG (even if I feel bad killing people) and then as soon as you hit 50 — all the fun is gone. Lvl 50 BGs might as well not exist as far as I’m concerned.

Milisa224

wheem_ESO wrote: »

What gear sets are you using, and what are your resistances at right now? As a general rule, I think Magicka classes (except possibly Sorc, or Nightblade if they're good) really need to run fairly high resistances. If you're running 2 non-crafted light armor sets, you'll really want to get heavy pieces for your "Monster set" helm and shoulders if possible. Otherwise, aim for heavy armor on the chest and either legs or helm, for a 5 light/2 heavy setup (which has been my preference for a while, even if Undaunted is maxed).

If your current jewelry has any trait other than Protective, I'd try and research it for both necklaces and rings while your ESO+ time is still active, and transmute them all to that trait. Assuming you didn't purchase the Summerset chapter (now a DLC) in the past, you won't be able to do any jewelry crafting once your ESO+ fully runs out, but I think you'll still be able to transmute anything that you already know the trait for, and Protective is invaluable. Damage is still generally too high IMO (as is healing in some cases), but getting your resists up as high as possible while still wearing 5 light armor certainly helps.

Still, as I said before, offensive Magicka Necromancers are hot garbage right now. I really wish they weren't, because once the class was announced I was hoping they'd make a solid replacement for my Magicka Warden, but...yea, outside of healing it's basically the worst class in the game currently.

My gear set is Crafty Alfiq. Weapon and Jewelry is full Wizard's Riposte for Crit Defense, you can't say that the two sets are bad. It's a balance between dps/heal spam and Crit Resistance.I'll change my Jewelry Traits to Protective and if this doesn't work I'm pretty much giving up PvP in this game as I've tried everything to get my class to be as balanced as possible. But there will always be those "ESO Vet ESports Champion" players that will always blame the fact that I have no idea how PvP works in this game when its literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.

Aurielle

Milisa224 wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

What gear sets are you using, and what are your resistances at right now? As a general rule, I think Magicka classes (except possibly Sorc, or Nightblade if they're good) really need to run fairly high resistances. If you're running 2 non-crafted light armor sets, you'll really want to get heavy pieces for your "Monster set" helm and shoulders if possible. Otherwise, aim for heavy armor on the chest and either legs or helm, for a 5 light/2 heavy setup (which has been my preference for a while, even if Undaunted is maxed).

If your current jewelry has any trait other than Protective, I'd try and research it for both necklaces and rings while your ESO+ time is still active, and transmute them all to that trait. Assuming you didn't purchase the Summerset chapter (now a DLC) in the past, you won't be able to do any jewelry crafting once your ESO+ fully runs out, but I think you'll still be able to transmute anything that you already know the trait for, and Protective is invaluable. Damage is still generally too high IMO (as is healing in some cases), but getting your resists up as high as possible while still wearing 5 light armor certainly helps.

Still, as I said before, offensive Magicka Necromancers are hot garbage right now. I really wish they weren't, because once the class was announced I was hoping they'd make a solid replacement for my Magicka Warden, but...yea, outside of healing it's basically the worst class in the game currently.

My gear set is Crafty Alfiq. Weapon and Jewelry is full Wizard's Riposte for Crit Defense, you can't say that the two sets are bad. It's a balance between dps/heal spam and Crit Resistance.I'll change my Jewelry Traits to Protective and if this doesn't work I'm pretty much giving up PvP in this game as I've tried everything to get my class to be as balanced as possible. But there will always be those "ESO Vet ESports Champion" players that will always blame the fact that I have no idea how PvP works in this game when its literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.

I don’t even know why I’m bothering to try to help you, as you’re quite obviously of the opinion that you don’t need any help, but here goes anyway:

Crafty Alfiq is good for damage (and sustain to a lesser extent), but Wizard’s Riposte does not provide true crit defense. It applies Minor Maim to the enemy (reducing their damage done by a mere 15%) for 5 seconds when they deal direct critical damage. The set was nerfed a while back and is hardly used anymore. A set that actually provides reliable defense from critical damage is Impregnable. Transmutation is good too, with some decent sustain to boot. Either of those would be a better choice over Wizard’s Ripost, especially for someone who is new to BGs and still learning — and yes, that applies to you. Also, practically everyone in vet BGs (except new players) is wearing a monster set. If you aren’t wearing one, you’re going to be at a disadvantage. List of monster sets here, so you can see their value: https://eso-sets.com/sets/type/monster-set

PVP in ESO is not “literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.” Not even in the slightest. For one thing, you can’t “spam stuns,” as there is this little thing called stun immunity. Also, anyone who just “spams stuns” and expects to get a kill will find themselves at the bottom of the BG scoreboard very quickly. Crowd control is used in conjunction with a burst rotation and finisher (the latter only if the enemy is in execute range) to deal significant damage to a player before he or she can break free — all while keeping shields up, self buffs up, HoTs up, and dodging/blocking/line of sighting/etc. to avoid not only the attacks of the person they’re fighting, but that person’s teammates as well. It’s challenging when you’re new, and not something you can expect to be good at right away. You need to practice and learn from your mistakes and, yeah, maybe not play a class that is bugged right out the gate.

To address something you said earlier, I’m not saying you have NO CHANCE, just that you need more practice and experience. You’re not going to be excellent at PVP in this game in a few days. All of us who have tried to help you in this thread died A LOT when we first started playing. But rather than giving up and loudly proclaiming that PVP sucks in this game, we stuck with it and got better.

Milisa224

Aurielle wrote: »

Crafty Alfiq is good for damage (and sustain to a lesser extent), but Wizard’s Riposte does not provide true crit defense. It applies Minor Maim to the enemy (reducing their damage done by a mere 15%) for 5 seconds when they deal direct critical damage. The set was nerfed a while back and is hardly used anymore. A set that actually provides reliable defense from critical damage is Impregnable. Transmutation is good too, with some decent sustain to boot. Either of those would be a better choice over Wizard’s Ripost, especially for someone who is new to BGs and still learning — and yes, that applies to you. Also, practically everyone in vet BGs (except new players) is wearing a monster set. If you aren’t wearing one, you’re going to be at a disadvantage. List of monster sets here, so you can see their value: https://eso-sets.com/sets/type/monster-set

PVP in ESO is not “literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.” Not even in the slightest. For one thing, you can’t “spam stuns,” as there is this little thing called stun immunity. Also, anyone who just “spams stuns” and expects to get a kill will find themselves at the bottom of the BG scoreboard very quickly. Crowd control is used in conjunction with a burst rotation and finisher (the latter only if the enemy is in execute range) to deal significant damage to a player before he or she can break free — all while keeping shields up, self buffs up, HoTs up, and dodging/blocking/line of sighting/etc. to avoid not only the attacks of the person they’re fighting, but that person’s teammates as well. It’s challenging when you’re new, and not something you can expect to be good at right away. You need to practice and learn from your mistakes and, yeah, maybe not play a class that is bugged right out the gate.

To address something you said earlier, I’m not saying you have NO CHANCE, just that you need more practice and experience. You’re not going to be excellent at PVP in this game in a few days. All of us who have tried to help you in this thread died A LOT when we first started playing. But rather than giving up and loudly proclaiming that PVP sucks in this game, we stuck with it and got better.

Ok so EVERYONE in Vet BGs is using the Monster Set? Like not one person is using the basic sets at all? Ok. But like I said someone like you will go "Oh nope, you're doing it all wrong. You have the wrong gear set, here let me show you a list of gear which you'll need to grind". Lol, no thanks, I'll rather stick to games that require skills than gear.

PvP in ESO needs to learn from their betters such as WoW and Guild Wars 2 or even The Old Republic. Make an ability for all classes or something like Purge from the Support skill line but make it so it can be used passively or active while being crowd controlled and this also makes the player immune to stuns for atleast 10 seconds, not just 5 seconds by default left and right click. I've seen Sorcerers spam Destructive Reach and they got to the top of the scoreboard pretty quick.

I've hard experiences with many MMOs and ESO is the only game which I see had lost potential in being the better at PvP endgame in comparison to WoW. I think I already stated I tried this game since beta but quit for a couple of years, made a Nightblade and got 1 shot by everyone. So I went on ahead and learned the mechanics such as gear, etc but still nothing. This pile of trash doesn't take a generation to learn, only takes a tutorial which is missing but nonetheless in the end regardless of all the gear, people still do get 1 shotted at.

You only got better by grinding gear and non class skill lines that shouldn't have collaborated with PvP. But if you get into a fair fight in games like WoW or Guild Wars 2, you wouldn't last a single match. Hell I'll even throw in Apex Legends and Overwatch since in those games, when you shoot someone, they take damage, they shoot you, you take damage. That is how a fair fight should be, not because you have the better gear.

leokafilyeb17_ESO

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Crafty Alfiq is good for damage (and sustain to a lesser extent), but Wizard’s Riposte does not provide true crit defense. It applies Minor Maim to the enemy (reducing their damage done by a mere 15%) for 5 seconds when they deal direct critical damage. The set was nerfed a while back and is hardly used anymore. A set that actually provides reliable defense from critical damage is Impregnable. Transmutation is good too, with some decent sustain to boot. Either of those would be a better choice over Wizard’s Ripost, especially for someone who is new to BGs and still learning — and yes, that applies to you. Also, practically everyone in vet BGs (except new players) is wearing a monster set. If you aren’t wearing one, you’re going to be at a disadvantage. List of monster sets here, so you can see their value: https://eso-sets.com/sets/type/monster-set

PVP in ESO is not “literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.” Not even in the slightest. For one thing, you can’t “spam stuns,” as there is this little thing called stun immunity. Also, anyone who just “spams stuns” and expects to get a kill will find themselves at the bottom of the BG scoreboard very quickly. Crowd control is used in conjunction with a burst rotation and finisher (the latter only if the enemy is in execute range) to deal significant damage to a player before he or she can break free — all while keeping shields up, self buffs up, HoTs up, and dodging/blocking/line of sighting/etc. to avoid not only the attacks of the person they’re fighting, but that person’s teammates as well. It’s challenging when you’re new, and not something you can expect to be good at right away. You need to practice and learn from your mistakes and, yeah, maybe not play a class that is bugged right out the gate.

To address something you said earlier, I’m not saying you have NO CHANCE, just that you need more practice and experience. You’re not going to be excellent at PVP in this game in a few days. All of us who have tried to help you in this thread died A LOT when we first started playing. But rather than giving up and loudly proclaiming that PVP sucks in this game, we stuck with it and got better.

Ok so EVERYONE in Vet BGs is using the Monster Set? Like not one person is using the basic sets at all? Ok. But like I said someone like you will go "Oh nope, you're doing it all wrong. You have the wrong gear set, here let me show you a list of gear which you'll need to grind". Lol, no thanks, I'll rather stick to games that require skills than gear.

PvP in ESO needs to learn from their betters such as WoW and Guild Wars 2 or even The Old Republic. Make an ability for all classes or something like Purge from the Support skill line but make it so it can be used passively or active while being crowd controlled and this also makes the player immune to stuns for atleast 10 seconds, not just 5 seconds by default left and right click. I've seen Sorcerers spam Destructive Reach and they got to the top of the scoreboard pretty quick.

I've hard experiences with many MMOs and ESO is the only game which I see had lost potential in being the better at PvP endgame in comparison to WoW. I think I already stated I tried this game since beta but quit for a couple of years, made a Nightblade and got 1 shot by everyone. So I went on ahead and learned the mechanics such as gear, etc but still nothing. This pile of trash doesn't take a generation to learn, only takes a tutorial which is missing but nonetheless in the end regardless of all the gear, people still do get 1 shotted at.

You only got better by grinding gear and non class skill lines that shouldn't have collaborated with PvP. But if you get into a fair fight in games like WoW or Guild Wars 2, you wouldn't last a single match. Hell I'll even throw in Apex Legends and Overwatch since in those games, when you shoot someone, they take damage, they shoot you, you take damage. That is how a fair fight should be, not because you have the better gear.

Uh, so much this to be honest. Isn't PVE traditionally the gear-treadmill where skill doesn't necessarily matter, only memorising rotations and tactics etc? While PVP is more about mind-playing your oppononent, relying on skill rather than a gear advantage...

WoppaBoem

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Milisa224 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Crafty Alfiq is good for damage (and sustain to a lesser extent), but Wizard’s Riposte does not provide true crit defense. It applies Minor Maim to the enemy (reducing their damage done by a mere 15%) for 5 seconds when they deal direct critical damage. The set was nerfed a while back and is hardly used anymore. A set that actually provides reliable defense from critical damage is Impregnable. Transmutation is good too, with some decent sustain to boot. Either of those would be a better choice over Wizard’s Ripost, especially for someone who is new to BGs and still learning — and yes, that applies to you. Also, practically everyone in vet BGs (except new players) is wearing a monster set. If you aren’t wearing one, you’re going to be at a disadvantage. List of monster sets here, so you can see their value: https://eso-sets.com/sets/type/monster-set

PVP in ESO is not “literally just spamming stuns and stealthing.” Not even in the slightest. For one thing, you can’t “spam stuns,” as there is this little thing called stun immunity. Also, anyone who just “spams stuns” and expects to get a kill will find themselves at the bottom of the BG scoreboard very quickly. Crowd control is used in conjunction with a burst rotation and finisher (the latter only if the enemy is in execute range) to deal significant damage to a player before he or she can break free — all while keeping shields up, self buffs up, HoTs up, and dodging/blocking/line of sighting/etc. to avoid not only the attacks of the person they’re fighting, but that person’s teammates as well. It’s challenging when you’re new, and not something you can expect to be good at right away. You need to practice and learn from your mistakes and, yeah, maybe not play a class that is bugged right out the gate.

To address something you said earlier, I’m not saying you have NO CHANCE, just that you need more practice and experience. You’re not going to be excellent at PVP in this game in a few days. All of us who have tried to help you in this thread died A LOT when we first started playing. But rather than giving up and loudly proclaiming that PVP sucks in this game, we stuck with it and got better.

Ok so EVERYONE in Vet BGs is using the Monster Set? Like not one person is using the basic sets at all? Ok. But like I said someone like you will go "Oh nope, you're doing it all wrong. You have the wrong gear set, here let me show you a list of gear which you'll need to grind". Lol, no thanks, I'll rather stick to games that require skills than gear.

PvP in ESO needs to learn from their betters such as WoW and Guild Wars 2 or even The Old Republic. Make an ability for all classes or something like Purge from the Support skill line but make it so it can be used passively or active while being crowd controlled and this also makes the player immune to stuns for atleast 10 seconds, not just 5 seconds by default left and right click. I've seen Sorcerers spam Destructive Reach and they got to the top of the scoreboard pretty quick.

I've hard experiences with many MMOs and ESO is the only game which I see had lost potential in being the better at PvP endgame in comparison to WoW. I think I already stated I tried this game since beta but quit for a couple of years, made a Nightblade and got 1 shot by everyone. So I went on ahead and learned the mechanics such as gear, etc but still nothing. This pile of trash doesn't take a generation to learn, only takes a tutorial which is missing but nonetheless in the end regardless of all the gear, people still do get 1 shotted at.

You only got better by grinding gear and non class skill lines that shouldn't have collaborated with PvP. But if you get into a fair fight in games like WoW or Guild Wars 2, you wouldn't last a single match. Hell I'll even throw in Apex Legends and Overwatch since in those games, when you shoot someone, they take damage, they shoot you, you take damage. That is how a fair fight should be, not because you have the better gear.

Uh, so much this to be honest. Isn't PVE traditionally the gear-treadmill where skill doesn't necessarily matter, only memorising rotations and tactics etc? While PVP is more about mind-playing your oppononent, relying on skill rather than a gear advantage...

Mate you think now its all about gear. And yes it is very important and that is what makes it fun in the long run. Skill based PVP become boring really fast. Add in theory crafting and if you like that it keep exciting and you can try out so many things and even come to setups you think should not work but they really do.

But a good PVP player can kill you with basic gear on if they played long enough. You can have the best gear but not skilled enough and you get trashed by a good PVP player with basic gear on. Keep playing, change tactics as you cannot engage blindly you need to pick you timing right and you will get there if you really want to.