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Goliath Bash is Silly

  • SkysOutThizeOut
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    You know what’s not biased or situational? Playing in the highest mmr bgs and watching everyone get packed up by someone using the the bash in the exact same way. It’s broken. No debate. It’s significantly stronger than corrosive: more damage, more aoe, more defense, longer. Bash is one of the fastest attacks, if not the fastest. If you are riding the “it’s not broken” train, then good chance you are likely a bad player that currently feels good while crutching on it.
  • SkysOutThizeOut
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    Lol at these people claiming “hacks.” Definitely have no idea how to play.
  • Strider__Roshin
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    I think I'll wait until next update before playing ESO again lol
  • Waffennacht
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    I see so many comments; many of which come from their own personal perspective.

    I see comments comparing it to DK
    I see comments thinking it's weak
    I see people saying the video has Vol involved and yet still read that people watch the video and attribute everything to the ult alone

    I see everything but a well rounded unbiased perspective.

    Unfortunately I I'll have to wait for myself
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  • Illuvatarr
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    Syhae wrote: »
    Many factors that changed this patch has facilitated the process of zerg-busting as shown in this video. Not just goliath bash.
    Tools that were designed to benefit large clumps of players received nerfs, such as:
    -Earthgore heal no longer stacking
    -Restoration ult nerfs
    A variety of tools were either implemented recently in this patch or updated to be more beneficial in wiping grouped up clumps of players.

    New Implementations:
    -Goliath Bash:Consistent damage that falls off in effectiveness the more dispersed a group becomes. Ult performs similarly to Corrosive in a sense that it is a defensive immunity period which allows for a great window of offensive burst. As the counter with corrosive is to simply kite, CC on CD and wait out duration of ultimate, the same applies.
    -Flesh Atronach:Large ground based AoE spike that tremendously buffs allies attacks on those afflicted. Again, similar to Goliath Bash, ultimate loses effectiveness depending on how spread out a group is.
    -Volendruug:Massive AoE damage, massive utility with a massive counter. Wielder cannot heal themselves. Isolate or burst, this item is only truly good when used in either a) coordinated group with dedicated healer(s) or b) a zerg.

    Preexisting abilities/items that were updated:
    -Dawnbreaker: Initial burst damage was buffed.
    -Cleave: Damage was buffed by a hefty amount. Only really effective when paired with Master 2h, so again, common theme, skill falls off in effectiveness the more spread out a group is.
    -Earthgore: Changed to remove all ground based AoE's in area of effect. This is huge for zerg-busting compared to what it was prior.

    Short list, but these are the main contributors for what is now facilitating zerg-busting.

    Now to get into why these changes are beneficial to the state of the game and not as imbalanced as people may say.

    Common theme with a majority of these skills, the effectiveness tremendously drops off the more dispersed a group is. These skills all excel at primarily one thing, destroying a clump of players quickly. They are extremely effective at countering faction-stacks which are becoming increasingly prevalent over the last few patches due to a variety of changes over the years. Where as in previous patches, the real "I Win Button" referenced earlier in this thread was stacking as many players in one Outpost/Castle that is becoming less of a reality with coordinated groups actually having the tools to counter faction-stacks if they are both a) equipped properly in both gear and class comp to tackle these fights and b)playing at a competent level as both a team and individuals.

    Seeing as these tools are open to any player, yet I only see a handful effectively using them I would not be quick to deem it overpowered.

    Thanks for taking the time to read this regardless, hope you enjoyed the read and your day.
    End post. Incoming "bias".

    Except the clump of players using necro pull in and swarm mother while spamming Goliath Bash. Soon you will have zergs doing exactly what the Animosity team is doing now.

    The way to bust zergs is to implement a stam equivalent to negate magic in my opinion, not turn the entire game into necros and make it a race to who can program the quickest Goliath Bash macro.

  • JobooAGS
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    Captain America build op
  • Mrsinister2
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    Starting to see this more and more and it's getting quite annoying it's just like the snipe dysnc you go from 100 to 0 in one second.

    My dude moves around dead for a second or 2 after then I see all the bashes in my recap


    Needs fix/nerf/rework plz
  • Adernath
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    Qbiken wrote: »

    First half of the video pretty much shows what and experienced group can do with the Goliath bash ultimate.

    The only thing I find impressive in that video is how some people enjoy no lag issues while fighting such large groups.
  • krathos
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    Still waiting to see what an experienced player or group of players accomplishes with the Goliath open world. I had a taste 1v1 on PTS and I’m not looking forward to it again.


    https://youtu.be/7XI3tWTJd28

    First half of the video pretty much shows what and experienced group can do with the Goliath bash ultimate.

    Except we wipe groups even larger than that without it and after having fun with it for a week we've dropped it from our comp.

    https://youtu.be/HlbTxr2_cog?t=56

    https://youtu.be/1hecXIVtm8g?t=22



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  • Grampa_Smurf
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    The Goliath bash only goes for 20 sec and is great for separating those ball groups. Pop a Goliath atm and the ball groups scatter.

    If this was put into the game for that reason then I am going to say it is working as intended, Big thumbs up.



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  • LordTareq
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    The Goliath bash only goes for 20 sec and is great for separating those ball groups. Pop a Goliath atm and the ball groups scatter.

    If this was put into the game for that reason then I am going to say it is working as intended, Big thumbs up.

    If that was the intend, they should have made it scale with the amount of enemy players it hits. Currently its OP as *** in BG's as well, was in a match today where everyone had like 4-7 kills. The one goliath necromancer? 24 kills. As a tank.

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  • Theignson
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    IMO its insanely owerpowered for PvP.

    My DK was running about 25k resists and 3k crit resist, max cp etc, was double teamed by 2 necros who did 36k bash damage in 5 seconds,

    My abilities were greyed out. I looked at CM and found the bashes were hitting up to every 0.4 seconds. So the GCD doesn't apply. The average hit was 4k.

    If you get bashed every 0.4 seconds I assume skills are interrupted; not sure if this is why my abilities were greyed out. I tried to run/dodge roll out but it is aoe, not sure how far.

    A few other times I just dropped dead without time to react.

    I suspect the spamming every 0.4 seconds or so clogs the server causing desync, but not sure.

    20 seconds...lol...insanely long.

    My conclusion: better level up my stam necro b4 nerf
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  • Minno
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    Best part about this thread are the terrible AD necros trying it out thinking it's OP lol
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  • Dr_Ganknstein
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    Good thing they nerfed flare and snipe...
  • Irylia
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    sharquez wrote: »
    this a a flat out lie
    I'm specced I to it
    wearing 5 fury
    and 5 affliction
    all damage modifiers on jewelry
    and warrior mundus

    1h shield fully specced for deadly bash
    my tool tip shows 8795 bash

    yet I hit players for 1.7 to 2k

    very underwhelming

    i.suspect that if you are getting hit for 7k to 14k bashes that from players who know secrets and know how to mask hacks to increase damage.

    or are using infused bashdamage jewlery...

    We aren’t using infused bash. You could to min max dmg but then you lose out on healing for yourself and teammates making you Even more vulnerable when outside of ult.
    The build is only useful when in ult and then a deadweight otherwise. With poor dmg mit no evasion and poor aoe or dmg in general.
  • kokoandshinb14a_ESO
    so what is this build?
    I'm using 5 fury+5 affliction+ pirate/bloodspawn

    1h/shield with deadly bash

    3 physical damage jewel enchants

    my tooltip is 7.9 bash

    yet I hit players for 1.7 to 2k per bash

    here is the link to my build

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=151245
    Edited by kokoandshinb14a_ESO on June 3, 2019 8:36PM
  • VinayExile
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    My bash tooltip
    https://imgur.com/a/dlsxKzK
    Idk what u guys wear but it hits for 20k+ in pvp
    Edited by VinayExile on June 4, 2019 3:03AM
  • kokoandshinb14a_ESO
    VinayExile wrote: »
    My bash tooltip
    https://imgur.com/a/dlsxKzK
    Idk what u guys wear but it hits for 20k+ in pvp

    so what's the build?
  • BlackMadara
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    VinayExile wrote: »
    My bash tooltip
    https://imgur.com/a/dlsxKzK
    Idk what u guys wear but it hits for 20k+ in pvp

    so what's the build?

    With 8k WD (Fury, 7th, Balorgh, infused WD jewelry) and 100 in master-at-arms and Mighty, you can hit that tooltip. The bash scales off solely WD. Screenshots like that should be taken with a grain of salt.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Was running around 30k resistance and surprised to see bash was hitting for 6k damage.

    Health dropped lot faster and made me levelling stam necro!
  • technohic
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    Lol Probably wont be addressed until the next update in 3 months. Had decided I dislike my necro because buff upkeep and resource management and broken or slow skills. Maybe I should just build it for this as the ultimate are the best thing about necro.
  • Irylia
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    so what is this build?
    I'm using 5 fury+5 affliction+ pirate/bloodspawn

    1h/shield with deadly bash

    3 physical damage jewel enchants

    my tooltip is 7.9 bash

    yet I hit players for 1.7 to 2k per bash

    here is the link to my build

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=151245

    All robust all weapon dmg on jewelry. You can infused
    And not affliction. You want another dmg set with a better 5x

    Your enchants are purple on jewelry and using healthy traits.
    Edited by Irylia on June 4, 2019 8:31PM
  • kokoandshinb14a_ESO
    Irylia wrote: »
    so what is this build?
    I'm using 5 fury+5 affliction+ pirate/bloodspawn

    1h/shield with deadly bash

    3 physical damage jewel enchants

    my tooltip is 7.9 bash

    yet I hit players for 1.7 to 2k per bash

    here is the link to my build

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=151245

    All robust all weapon dmg on jewelry. You can infused
    And not affliction. You want another dmg set with a better 5x

    Your enchants are purple on jewelry and using healthy traits.

    ya-- im going to be using only purple gear as I cant afford yellow gear.

    the difference between epic to legendary isnt large enough to produce 500X the damage
    Edited by kokoandshinb14a_ESO on June 4, 2019 10:52PM
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  • Sarousse
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno could we get an update ? Why isn't this skill nerfed already ?

    Also how could you let this going out on live server, as it was reported again and again on PTS ? What's the purpose of PTS if you just don't care/listen to your players ?

    Cyrodiil is totally unplayable now. You get necrobashed everywhere, with exactly 0 defense possible.
    Edited by Sarousse on June 4, 2019 10:34PM
  • Rikumaru
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    Just an FYI, max stamina doesn't increase the damage of bash. For me, I would just go necrotic potency + blastbones + armor buff + spirit mender + skeleton archer + bloodspawn for all the ulti gen it brings. Infused bash glyphs and whatever type of build you want ontop of that. Just survive until ulti and 1 shot them when you enter ulti.
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  • psypanda
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    everyone who thinks that the pummel ulti is fine is in denial

    on the other hand you got zos saying hurrr durrr its the snb passives that are waaaaaaaay to strong lets nerf them O_O
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  • Cinbri
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    This ult is like Corrosive - grant survivability and huge damage boost, but unlike Corrosive it cost more so it does more. But having even expensive ult that makes you almost immortal for very long duration and makes your attacks into 100% death for everyone who is not running away without looking behind is definetly wrong. This ult is be far stronger than even Volendrung ult. and ofc problem is only stam morph of it.
    Just saw how 28lvl jumped into 20men zerg, died 4sec later but within those 4sec killed 12 people by 8k bashes.
    Edited by Cinbri on June 5, 2019 8:04AM
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