magplar, now for Elsweyr

Sergykid

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
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Iskiab

My advice: change monster to blood spawn. Are you 5L? If not go 5L. 3x protective.

For abilities just look at PvE parses for which abilities hit the hardest and incorporate them. Use things like shards, they’ve been buffed like crazy.

EtTuBrutus

You say u don't use flare, but then ask if u should take it off your bar. If you're looking to replace flare spamming, you won't. Only way to play rangeplar is with a rotation.

Iskiab

Oh, I just noticed your set choices imply you aren’t using the staff that buffs clench. I think that’s a mistake, the weapon set that buffs clench is nice, I’d keep clench and try using it.

While Templars don’t have any big burst ability dot pressure mixing in cc works well.

Back baring Transmutation and putting ritual on that bar breaking it for the clench staff on your front bar works well.

Sergykid

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

You say u don't use flare, but then ask if u should take it off your bar. If you're looking to replace flare spamming, you won't. Only way to play rangeplar is with a rotation.

sorry i meant Total Dark, edited it.

Iskiab wrote: »

Oh, I just noticed your set choices imply you aren’t using the staff that buffs clench. I think that’s a mistake, the weapon set that buffs clench is nice, I’d keep clench and try using it.

While Templars don’t have any big burst ability dot pressure mixing in cc works well.

Back baring Transmutation and putting ritual on that bar breaking it for the clench staff on your front bar works well.

i could change to vDSA fire staff, but i would have to keep up major sorcery then. This is why i use rattlecage, i don't have time to keep up all those buffs, i need to create pressure fast or i am the pressured one. My damage is now lower, and u suggest changing 3x arcane for 3x protective. Skoria hits like a truck, not sure if it's worth to trade for Blood Spawn.

Iskiab

I hear ya, I play no CP so may be a little different. I find the best way to make sure you’re the one being offensive is by specing defensively.

Otherwise it’s like playing on your back foot, it doesn’t take much damage to force you into a defensive downward cycle.

I use pots for sorcery.

Joy_Division

Sergykid wrote: »

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
.

I hate to say this, but probably healbot spec. If you're going to try and actually compete, play it like the first time ZOS nerfed Eclipse when charge was your CC. It's fast now and puts the enemy off balance. You still need the old burst from bane and now you've really got no preventive defense, so you're probably screwed if you come across an equally skilled player on a decent performing spec.

Aedaryl

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
.

I hate to say this, but probably healbot spec. If you're going to try and actually compete, play it like the first time ZOS nerfed Eclipse when charge was your CC. It's fast now and puts the enemy off balance. You still need the old burst from bane and now you've really got no preventive defense, so you're probably screwed if you come across an equally skilled player on a decent performing spec.

You have trouble by not having preventive defense ?

Slot Dampen.

Melee magplar is actually very good, the buff to charge and rat make it competitive. If you want more damage you can slot solar barrage, it's very good too.

BNOC

Sergykid wrote: »

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
.

Imo the only thing that keeps Total Dark alive in this game is the animation delay before people see it on them and the speed at which people weave these days.

If the visual was instant in application, you'd never reflect a thing against a good player - But, it's one of those that will always be good against turnips because.. turnips.



In BG's, my opinion has always been to stay away from defensive sets, it's an absolute waste (For the most part, organised group games are a slight exception dependant on your composition) - The only defence you need is understanding of positioning, especially as a ranged DD.

If you want a ranged build just run Necro - Shadowrend - X set of your choice (BTB, Shackle, whatever) with a Masters Staff and use that clench as your spammable - Keep Solar Barrage up for the 40% LA damage, throw reflective and potls and just weave clench/reach.

Also, I'd opt for an ult that doesn't take you away from your DPS - Not Meteor because it's a bit dead but something that let's you continue fighting.



In No-CP Cyro, replace "X set of your choice" with Armor Master and you'll be sound, maybe run a shield if you need it but watch you don't get reliant on it or you'll become a healer.



In any case, I'd drop Rattlecage unless you have a good reason for not having a skill slot for Entropy/Degen, there's much better sets in terms of raw return.

Minno

BNOC wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
.

Imo the only thing that keeps Total Dark alive in this game is the animation delay before people see it on them and the speed at which people weave these days.

If the visual was instant in application, you'd never reflect a thing against a good player - But, it's one of those that will always be good against turnips because.. turnips.



In BG's, my opinion has always been to stay away from defensive sets, it's an absolute waste (For the most part, organised group games are a slight exception dependant on your composition) - The only defence you need is understanding of positioning, especially as a ranged DD.

If you want a ranged build just run Necro - Shadowrend - X set of your choice (BTB, Shackle, whatever) with a Masters Staff and use that clench as your spammable - Keep Solar Barrage up for the 40% LA damage, throw reflective and potls and just weave clench/reach.

Also, I'd opt for an ult that doesn't take you away from your DPS - Not Meteor because it's a bit dead but something that let's you continue fighting.



In No-CP Cyro, replace "X set of your choice" with Armor Master and you'll be sound, maybe run a shield if you need it but watch you don't get reliant on it or you'll become a healer.



In any case, I'd drop Rattlecage unless you have a good reason for not having a skill slot for Entropy/Degen, there's much better sets in terms of raw return.

You either go full DMG, full sustain or full defense in nCP. I remember getting frustrated one match and put on bloodspawn, trans and wizard reposted and doing somewhat decent. Crit is a hard carry in nCP, it's funny people think it's balanced lol.

Then again CP, tanky builds can be more tanky resulting in punishing of more DMG builds and let you be rewarded now for stacking higher ttk builds.

If they can marry the two that would be ideal, but that system was the idea before Morrowind and they butchered the nCP game that patch lol.

Maulkin

I haven't tested the new Dark Flare but the core skills for a ranged playstyle are there....
- Destro Reach from master Firestaff
- Vamp Bane
- Purifying Light
- Radiant Opperesion

That's ranged spammable, stun, dot, undodgeable burst and execute. I mean I would prefer Dark Flare to have an instant proc condition like Frags and I would swap oppression in a heart beat, but the rest is there really.

Add in the fact that magDKs can't reflect anything back at you and you now have RAT instead of Mistform for movement, and I would argue things are rosier for ranged magplar than last patch.

Datolite

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

Iskiab

I primarily BG and see lots of different Templar styles.

The full tank... meh, they’re okay but I think stam can do a better job of it. The tanky magplar’s damage suffers too much. As a healer I’ll typically have more damage then them, so while having an upfront person is nice for the ever kiting sorcs/NBs who depend on an upfront person or they’re a waste of a space, I think someone else can do it better.

The glass canon ones hit like a truck but suffer from needing to kite so your group gets steamrolled. Plus they usually use mist form (which I hate with a passion on a team mate) so are good but not great.

I’ve seen lots of balanced ones do the best. Personally don’t know what they run, Templar’s my alt. They are tanky enough to keep themselves alive and not so glass canon that they’re healable, yet can pump out a lot of damage.

My main’s a magblade healer so performance might depend on there being a healer in group, but I love seeing the balanced ones in my BGs. Setting’s important too, I’m higher MMR so you aren’t going to kill anyone solo as a glass canon.

I’d definitely run RAT and bloodspawn. Bloodspawn is like a mitigation tax for not having an escape tool imo. The best magplar’s I’ve seen always use the reach staff too.

Sergykid

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

Iskiab

Transmutation isn’t low value. It’s a sustain set where using ritual gives you crit resists, with the added benefit of helping team mates as well. Think of it like groupwide impregnable armour 5 piece on a sustain set.

It’s also nice for only having the 5 piece bonus on your back bar and using a 2 piece weapon set.

For example 5x BT/spinners, 5x Transmutation back bar, blood spawn with the clench/BRP staff on the front bar is a good setup. Just remember to put ritual on your back bar.

Sergykid

Iskiab wrote: »

Transmutation isn’t low value. It’s a sustain set where using ritual gives you crit resists, with the added benefit of helping team mates as well. Think of it like groupwide impregnable armour 5 piece on a sustain set.

It’s also nice for only having the 5 piece bonus on your back bar and using a 2 piece weapon set.

For example 5x BT/spinners, 5x Transmutation back bar, blood spawn with the clench/BRP staff on the front bar is a good setup. Just remember to put ritual on your back bar.

i know but as ranged dd i am better going with a damage set. For defensive support even Steadfast Hero is a good option (major protection upon cleanse). And skoria adds much more power than blood spawn.

Joy_Division

Aedaryl wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

i used to be pretty good with it, but they nerfed what i used. The initial burst of Vampire's Bane, gutted Dark Flare (wasn't using it, but still), gutted Total Dark. I am still pretty good, but i am noticeably weaker.

i am playing ranged single target, meaning fire staff front, resto backbar, light armor bright, jewels rattlecage, and skoria/pirate helm. I don't want to play melee with shock staff even if that would be better, but the gap closer sucks cuz the target can simply outrun it since this gap closer doesn't stick us to the target, it only flies to target's current position in the moment of usage. Also sweeps is hard to land. Crescent is good but hard to land.

what advice can you give for this patch? should i drop Total Dark for Flame Clench? Should i start wearing shield, for whatever reason? i can acquire anything in the game but i am not sure how should i play magplar ranged dd, not even Soul Assault ultimate isn't enough anymore.

EDIT: forgot to mention, i am veteran to pvping and ESO, don't come with useless advice for beginners, and avoid bloat posting. I am talking here about noCP pvp, both Cryodill and BGs.
.

I hate to say this, but probably healbot spec. If you're going to try and actually compete, play it like the first time ZOS nerfed Eclipse when charge was your CC. It's fast now and puts the enemy off balance. You still need the old burst from bane and now you've really got no preventive defense, so you're probably screwed if you come across an equally skilled player on a decent performing spec.

You have trouble by not having preventive defense ?

Slot Dampen.

Melee magplar is actually very good, the buff to charge and rat make it competitive. If you want more damage you can slot solar barrage, it's very good too.

So is it at this point where I list ten reasons why your suggestion is meh just as you did for years when people similarly gave you suggestions in all those sorc threads?

It's so much easier to play classes that aren't people's mains. Just put this skill or wear this set and you're all set.

Minno

Sergykid wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Transmutation isn’t low value. It’s a sustain set where using ritual gives you crit resists, with the added benefit of helping team mates as well. Think of it like groupwide impregnable armour 5 piece on a sustain set.

It’s also nice for only having the 5 piece bonus on your back bar and using a 2 piece weapon set.

For example 5x BT/spinners, 5x Transmutation back bar, blood spawn with the clench/BRP staff on the front bar is a good setup. Just remember to put ritual on your back bar.

i know but as ranged dd i am better going with a damage set. For defensive support even Steadfast Hero is a good option (major protection upon cleanse). And skoria adds much more power than blood spawn.

want your mind blown (and dont mind a healbot); slot both trans and steadfast on backbar with SNB

mursie

Minno wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Transmutation isn’t low value. It’s a sustain set where using ritual gives you crit resists, with the added benefit of helping team mates as well. Think of it like groupwide impregnable armour 5 piece on a sustain set.

It’s also nice for only having the 5 piece bonus on your back bar and using a 2 piece weapon set.

For example 5x BT/spinners, 5x Transmutation back bar, blood spawn with the clench/BRP staff on the front bar is a good setup. Just remember to put ritual on your back bar.

i know but as ranged dd i am better going with a damage set. For defensive support even Steadfast Hero is a good option (major protection upon cleanse). And skoria adds much more power than blood spawn.

want your mind blown (and dont mind a healbot); slot both trans and steadfast on backbar with SNB

worth it?

mursie

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

Minno

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Minno

Minno wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Actually, 2x rings, chest, shield then 4 body trans 1 sword. BOOM

Sergykid

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Actually, 2x rings, chest, shield then 4 body trans 1 sword. BOOM

and where's the damage at? sure you have lots of defenses and utility for group, but you can kill anything. Most of the times, a quick kill will avoid any need to heal something.

Kartalin

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Actually, 2x rings, chest, shield then 4 body trans 1 sword. BOOM

Ooh, I like that. Solves the problem I had with losing the 4th piece bonus of steadfast on the front bar if I ran resto. With major protection gone from resto ult I’m ready to try s&b again.

NBrookus

Specific gear sets aside, I am running 4500+ spell damage, 14k pen, 40% crit AND a proc set AND bloodspawn AND 2H for the damage buff. And it feels like noodle jabs this patch versus any tanky player... which is kind of everyone in Cyrodiil now.

Barrage is pretty good damage but the risk-reward of diving into melee on a magplar just doesn't feel like it's anything remotely like a decent place this patch.

Sergykid wrote: »

Also sweeps is hard to land.

Ya think? I got accused of cheating (and supposedly reported) for landing two full sets of jabs. On another magplar.

Iskiab

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Actually, 2x rings, chest, shield then 4 body trans 1 sword. BOOM

Hum? Maybe I’m misunderstanding but the best way is:

Monster light
Steadfast H Chest and Legs, 1x jewellery and back bar weapon
Trans rest of the armour x3, 2x jewellery
Front bar weapon set

However I don’t think it’s that great. You’ll be tanky but won’t be able to pump out any damage. You’re far better off with a main damage set then running skoria.

Imo trans + damage + bloodspawn > trans + steadfast + skoria. Skoria just isn’t that good.

When you plan your build calculate your mitigation with buffs and then shave off 10k. Without enough mitigation you’re going to be squishy.

mursie

Minno wrote: »

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.[/quote]

sorry - i meant "cyrodiil's light" in my comment. if you back bar both trans/stead then your monster set and specialty weapon... no room for cyrodiil's light.

mursie

Iskiab wrote: »

When you plan your build calculate your mitigation with buffs and then shave off 10k. Without enough mitigation you’re going to be squishy.

skoria on magplar is great. disagree with you there.

best setup for minno's point:

heavy steadfast chest. steadfast neck/rings. steadfast shield
transmutation on boots/legs/gloves/belt and trans 1h sword paired with shield. both sets have 4 pc bonus active when on front bar... which can be a willpower staff or a masters destro staff.

monster set: slimecraw, skoria, (bloodspawn/pirate would be defensive overkill but alas - you could do that as well).

Kartalin

Iskiab wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Datolite wrote: »

You have a ranged execute and are not using it. I even slot that and I am melee.

i do have it on my bar. My bar is vampire bane, sweeps (as spammable when they come close, or to chase nb, and for the passive), oppression, total dark, elemental drain, and soul assault.

my rotation is basically purify light from backbar, switch bar then vampire bane, then ele drain, then total dark and soul assault or oppression.

i could try changing total dark for clench, but what proc backbar setup should i use? transmute is good but it has low value, i could change rattlecage for another defensive set, but using entropy every 20 sec is hard in pvp. I have to place a lot of abilities already.

you're so close to a melee spec - i think you should give it a try.

the rotation is sound. backbar purify light, switch into vamp bane and ele drain. Now toppling charge into your target and begin sweeping. end with oppression/soul assault if you desire. based on that list of items, cyrodiil's light sounds really good. you channel sweeps, you channel oppression, you channel soul assault. would make sense.

my issue - what is best to pair with light? someone showed BTB. maybe shackle. maybe trans. not sure. still deciding.

intrigued by @Minno's idea of back bar trans and steadfast...but that of course kills off ability to use light. does add willpower front bar staff as option.

also still trying to decide if vampire needs to go. currently using light and steadfast as highelf and while survival is good out of stuns via channeled mist form, mediate, sweeps, etc...... i can literally be 100-0'd in a stun and therefore sets are wasted.

5l, 2h. Its possible.

Actually, 2x rings, chest, shield then 4 body trans 1 sword. BOOM

Hum? Maybe I’m misunderstanding but the best way is:

Monster light
Steadfast H Chest and Legs, 1x jewellery and back bar weapon
Trans rest of the armour x3, 2x jewellery
Front bar weapon set

However I don’t think it’s that great. You’ll be tanky but won’t be able to pump out any damage. You’re far better off with a main damage set then running skoria.

Imo trans + damage + bloodspawn > trans + steadfast + skoria. Skoria just isn’t that good.

When you plan your build calculate your mitigation with buffs and then shave off 10k. Without enough mitigation you’re going to be squishy.

I would think monster set (light + medium) heavy steadfast chest and transmuted jewelry, 4 light Trans body, willpower/master destro, and steadfast/trans sword and board.

Mainly would be good for small scale heals & support I think but should do decent damage on its own still. Not going to win a lot of 1v1s that’s why I’m thinking small to medium groups.

Major protection trumps mitigation especially against builds with high pen or bleeds. Essentially you’ll have 50% uptime.

I’m not sold entirely on steadfast over pirate skeleton but it’s so buggy and locks me on one bar even with the skelly polymorph at times.

SacredEarth

Interesting discussion, I am mostly in BGs and running Shackle, backbar trans front is vDSA lightning staff. Been trying out different monsters, but keep coming back to Bloodspawn.

FB skills:
Clench, Bane(or reflective morph), RAT, Jbeam, Radiant Aura ult: Usually Ice Comet sometimes Soul Shatter. (been prefering to just hit it and keep moving rather than channeling)

BB skills:
Structured Ent/Total Dark, Sweeps/rapid regen, Ritual, Honor the Dead, Rune ult: Temporal gaurd.

I use a Transmute resto staff for the heavy attack regen, dropped Light's champion since we lost M protection. I also use tri stat poison which is quite helpful.

When I need to block I get the Psijic on both bars and when defensive I can Rune, block and heal from one bar, usually while kiting and LOSing.

I have been strongly considering dropping transmutation for Amber plasm, ditching my vDSA staff and just capitalizing on having more damage, more crit and more regen (stam and mag) form the Amberplasm. I would then go protective on all my jewels (currently just one) and do all spell damage (currently just 2, kept one regen)

For about a week I tried out a couple of melee setups with Swift, Axiom in heavy and light. I was just melted too fast. Ranged just seems better in light armour, even with dmg mitigation sets.

SacredEarth

I forgot to update that I have been using Barrage lately on backbar. the light attack dmg buff is just too good when weaving clench and Bane. plus it helps to keep it up and keep some damage going (with previous dots) while on back bar. Also after a cleanse and HTD I can hit sweeps once and that with everything else (previous dots, barrage) I can get them to need a defensive bar swap and I can get another stun in and re-apply pressure...

Having said all this, I can have great success or rather mediocre performance... Lately ai have been getting more assists than kills. It just depends on how much I get focused. I have had several recent experiences where I am fighting one team 1v2 and even with full health the other team comes in and focuses me rather that hitting the others. I am guessing it is because I destroyed them recently or healed a teammate out of execute range and prevented a kill? not sure, but people seem to hate on magplars :P