StamNB doomsday-spreading needs to stop(Both PvE/PvP). Every StamNB playstyle is still viable.

Deathlord92

Thogard wrote: »

czar wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Sustain got buffed with the new incap...
You’re probably just missing your light attack weaves due to how crappy the servers have been lately.

Per my LA-tracker addon, I am not, If anything, weaving seems to have become easier. Synergies and HA barely recovers any stamina for me now.

But the fact you’re suggesting that I’m doing something wrong actually makes me hopeful that this update isn’t as garbage as I feared.

I’m not necessarily suggesting it’s your fault. I’m a pvper and I’ve noticed that my sustain is definitely server-state dependent. I can sustain far more easily when the servers aren’t garbage.

And right now they’re garbage.

Same here actually when the server crappy I have massive problems with sustain many others do as well I have been accused for using stam or magic drain poisons before lol 😂

WhisperLFE

czar wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Sustain got buffed with the new incap...
You’re probably just missing your light attack weaves due to how crappy the servers have been lately.

Per my LA-tracker addon, I am not, If anything, weaving seems to have become easier. Synergies and HA barely recovers any stamina for me now.

But the fact you’re suggesting that I’m doing something wrong actually makes me hopeful that this update isn’t as garbage as I feared.

Yeah, I haven't noticed a change in my sustain. If anything, it seems a bit better, but I'm also using more gold sustain food. And the servers have been a bit...clunky recently.

Imperial_Voice

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Will never happen. Those that play with one hand down their shorts while looking at the damage meters will cry armageddon if their class isn't consistently top of the meters.

ZOS should release a "change class" token for 10K crowns then change the "meta" each month just to troll them.

Theyd make enough money to finance the next three expansions in a year doing this.

Narvuntien

From my experience, it really only made them different rather than worse.
You just have to rethink your build but once you do you can perform as well as before.

Definitely, too much doomsday talk they are fine. Adapt.

Sanguinor2

Narvuntien wrote: »

From my experience, it really only made them different rather than worse.
You just have to rethink your build but once you do you can perform as well as before.

Definitely, too much doomsday talk they are fine. Adapt.

About 95% off all nightblades Talking About this just focused on the nerfs and ignored every buff they got, no surprise they were making others think nightblade is dying.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Strider__Roshin

The issue I have with the changes is that it strengthens the meta which is tanky non-killable builds. Currently mitigation is too high, and healing is too high. What do they do? Remove Major Defile from Incap and major fracture from Surprise Attack. Genius -_-

If these weren't such an issue in the game I would be completely fine with these changes, but all it does is exacerbate the meta with more stamblades switching to SnB now.

Kidgangster101

Daus wrote: »

The issue I have with the changes is that it strengthens the meta which is tanky non-killable builds. Currently mitigation is too high, and healing is too high. What do they do? Remove Major Defile from Incap and major fracture from Surprise Attack. Genius -_-

If these weren't such an issue in the game I would be completely fine with these changes, but all it does is exacerbate the meta with more stamblades switching to SnB now.

It is a CP issue causing the healing and unkillable builds. In non CP these issues are not there.

Strider__Roshin

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

The issue I have with the changes is that it strengthens the meta which is tanky non-killable builds. Currently mitigation is too high, and healing is too high. What do they do? Remove Major Defile from Incap and major fracture from Surprise Attack. Genius -_-

If these weren't such an issue in the game I would be completely fine with these changes, but all it does is exacerbate the meta with more stamblades switching to SnB now.

It is a CP issue causing the healing and unkillable builds. In non CP these issues are not there.

Oh definitely. All these CP battleground matches I do are really skewing my perspective.

Zordrage

lol Stamnb bad ???? since when ? what ?

Stamnb is the literal Meta themselves when it comes to PvP..... and the most annoying class also to play againts...

ChefZero

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Ok I use 3 to 4 magicka skills, that's why I fell in love with Imperial. But Red Diamond is tricky to use on a full melee build.

susmitds

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Ok I use 3 to 4 magicka skills, that's why I fell in love with Imperial. But Red Diamond is tricky to use on a full melee build.

PvP wise, Khajiit imo has the best off resource Magicka management, with higher max mag and mag recovery, that does not need you to tag enemies.

nsmurfer

nsmurfer wrote: »

Is it the mystery build, whose stats you posted? The damage output seems insane!

@susmitds Any news on when you are posting the build?

russelmmendoza

Nb in pve is still good.
Nb in pvp is nerfed.
Bg and any cyrodiil campaign.

Surprise attack and incapacitating strike are the main skill in a nb's arsenal. This 2 skills loss their best tool in killing.

So yes, nb got nerf, its not the end of tamriel, but it sure is a very bad deal for nb's.

Kolzki

susmitds wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Ok I use 3 to 4 magicka skills, that's why I fell in love with Imperial. But Red Diamond is tricky to use on a full melee build.

PvP wise, Khajiit imo has the best off resource Magicka management, with higher max mag and mag recovery, that does not need you to tag enemies.

Khajiit kind of lends towards not-heavy armour though because of the crit damage bonus. Apparently we're in a heavy armour meta... so my medium armor khajiit is told. The off resource management on khajiit is great though.

susmitds

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Nb in pve is still good.
Nb in pvp is nerfed.
Bg and any cyrodiil campaign.

Surprise attack and incapacitating strike are the main skill in a nb's arsenal. This 2 skills loss their best tool in killing.

So yes, nb got nerf, its not the end of tamriel, but it sure is a very bad deal for nb's.

Kolzki wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Ok I use 3 to 4 magicka skills, that's why I fell in love with Imperial. But Red Diamond is tricky to use on a full melee build.

PvP wise, Khajiit imo has the best off resource Magicka management, with higher max mag and mag recovery, that does not need you to tag enemies.

Khajiit kind of lends towards not-heavy armour though because of the crit damage bonus. Apparently we're in a heavy armour meta... so my medium armor khajiit is told. The off resource management on khajiit is great though.

@Kolzki It's hard to drop below 40% crit on Heavy NB though on CP, even without Major Savagery. There is a reason Impen is Bis. Think of it like this, Khajiit crit damage is like -3 impen trait pieces on enemies.

Kolzki

susmitds wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Nb in pve is still good.
Nb in pvp is nerfed.
Bg and any cyrodiil campaign.

Surprise attack and incapacitating strike are the main skill in a nb's arsenal. This 2 skills loss their best tool in killing.

So yes, nb got nerf, its not the end of tamriel, but it sure is a very bad deal for nb's.

Kolzki wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s honestly nothing special. Spriggans, bone pirate, chudan, lord warden. All impen. 2H is a maul with crusher enchant and back bar sword has infused weapon damage enchant. Jewelry is 2 infused with weapon damage and one protective. I’m a wood elf so I get even more penetration with a roll dodge. Dubious Comoran Throne. I think 1 or 2 pieces of armor are health the rest stamina. Lover mundus stone.

I'm running a similar setup Spriggans + BP + Bloodspawn. At first look at your stats I get jealous. But honestly the reason might be that I just don't know my buffed CP stats

The differences are monsterset, all tri-stat, all protective, warrior mundus and imperial so far. How do you sustain magicka?

I have to replace BS with something else because the uptime is below 25% on my playstyle.

That’s why I went Chudan and lord warden. BS is nice but chudan and lord warden is constant and not dependent on RNG. Ult gain is already fast anyways and when I do have power extraction on the bar that helps too. As a Bosmer my sustain is fine as it is so I don’t mind losing the BS stamina recovery as much.

Honestly am toying around with the idea of 2 lord warden because it’s uptime is damn near constant, though the orb doesn’t move with you so it’s use would be purely situational.

I only use 2 magicka skills and one is a long buff leaving me to mainly use magicka for just dark cloak. The buff last 8 seconds so that’s 4 ticks. Even though it isn’t huge it’s good enough, just don’t spam the skill.

Ok I use 3 to 4 magicka skills, that's why I fell in love with Imperial. But Red Diamond is tricky to use on a full melee build.

PvP wise, Khajiit imo has the best off resource Magicka management, with higher max mag and mag recovery, that does not need you to tag enemies.

Khajiit kind of lends towards not-heavy armour though because of the crit damage bonus. Apparently we're in a heavy armour meta... so my medium armor khajiit is told. The off resource management on khajiit is great though.

@Kolzki It's hard to drop below 40% crit on Heavy NB though on CP, even without Major Savagery. There is a reason Impen is Bis. Think of it like this, Khajiit crit damage is like -3 impen trait pieces on enemies.

Good point. I admit that i mostly play in no cp where the crit bonus from medium is adding to a lower base crit. Maybe i should give heavy more of a go in cp.