Meta pvp magsorc, questions about sorc? Get them answered

NinchiTV

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Lord-Otto

Okay, let's clear this one out. Atro is not "very, very good". Every competent magsorc would trade this ulti in a heartbeat for a magical Dawnbreaker. After the disastrous nerfs to Rune Cage and to a lesser extent, Might of the Guild passive, Meteor simply stopped being a ->reliable ultimate. Only Atro was left. It is good in the specific circumstances you mention, but overall it's just the sad participation medal of ults available to us.
Rest of the video is okay, though.

RighteousBacon

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Okay, let's clear this one out. Atro is not "very, very good". Every competent magsorc would trade this ulti in a heartbeat for a magical Dawnbreaker. After the disastrous nerfs to Rune Cage and to a lesser extent, Might of the Guild passive, Meteor simply stopped being a ->reliable ultimate. Only Atro was left. It is good in the specific circumstances you mention, but overall it's just the sad participation medal of ults available to us.
Rest of the video is okay, though.

It works well against zerglings

Malamar1229

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

Morgul667

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

This

NinchiTV

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

boundless is the only major giving buff i wouldnt bother slotting, DKs/NBs/templar/warden all have a very good reason to use their major buffs, magsorc tho? meh underwhelm. so i rather take my up front defenses up at all time rather than it having to be proc'd - i still love blood spawn tho. ya for those of us who dont pve will power will be the next best thing, that 1.5k mag gives a little more damage to everything not just one skill thats pretty easy to avoid or block.

grannas211

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

boundless is the only major giving buff i wouldnt bother slotting, DKs/NBs/templar/warden all have a very good reason to use their major buffs, magsorc tho? meh underwhelm. so i rather take my up front defenses up at all time rather than it having to be proc'd - i still love blood spawn tho. ya for those of us who dont pvp will power will be the next best thing, that 1.5k mag gives a little more damage to everything not just one skill thats pretty easy to avoid or block.

Using reach as your spammable without a master staff is just not very good. Willpower I guess would be alright but far from ideal.

NinchiTV

grannas211 wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

boundless is the only major giving buff i wouldnt bother slotting, DKs/NBs/templar/warden all have a very good reason to use their major buffs, magsorc tho? meh underwhelm. so i rather take my up front defenses up at all time rather than it having to be proc'd - i still love blood spawn tho. ya for those of us who dont pvp will power will be the next best thing, that 1.5k mag gives a little more damage to everything not just one skill thats pretty easy to avoid or block.

Using reach as your spammable without a master staff is just not very good. Willpower I guess would be alright but far from ideal.

with the cp i put into LA/HA they hit an EZ 4k with infused shock enchant, so I count that as my spammable TBH and reach i can use liberally, its effective without masters. Plus you can weave in endless and you proc frags very very quickly

Lord-Otto

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Okay, let's clear this one out. Atro is not "very, very good". Every competent magsorc would trade this ulti in a heartbeat for a magical Dawnbreaker. After the disastrous nerfs to Rune Cage and to a lesser extent, Might of the Guild passive, Meteor simply stopped being a ->reliable ultimate. Only Atro was left. It is good in the specific circumstances you mention, but overall it's just the sad participation medal of ults available to us.
Rest of the video is okay, though.

It works well against zerglings

Yes and no. It works if you have them isolated, so small scale in a way. But it's terrible when you have to move a lot due to the zerg chasing you.

xAcrania

Honestly atro isnt that good a decent player will just walk out of its range, meteor is too predictable and doesnt do as much damage after the mages guild nerfs. Sorc atm doesnt really have the best burst ulti. I still use Dawny but I would kill fir a magic dawny again. Def recommend a sharpened masters inferno staff considering everyone stacks into resistances. Clench cost way too much without and your missing out on the extra dd%

MentalxHammer

Meh

HowlKimchi

Atro sucks. I actually had a magsorc hatemail me because i kept moving away from his atro in cyro the other night when we were fighting. xD

CompM4s

There is no better option than atro at the moment, maybe dawnbreaker but with out physical pen its just meh. Obviously negate is the best if in group.

Kikke

another build with flaws telling others how too build. lol -_-

NinchiTV

Kikke wrote: »

another build with flaws telling others how too build. lol -_-

Go ahead and tell me the flaws.

NinchiTV

CompM4s wrote: »

There is no better option than atro at the moment, maybe dawnbreaker but with out physical pen its just meh. Obviously negate is the best if in group.

For BGs/noncp DB is amazing on any build, with cp though its very lack luster.

Sp1dHQ

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

Masters is 10 times better ofc, but in order to choose blood spawn over chudan you have to be doing lots of 1vX in CP. Blood spawn is not the best defensive set (skeleton is way better). It gives good ulti regen, so you can get good atronach uptime. To get any use of it, zerg must stay under atro. In BG, NoCP, any small scale pvp 1v1/2. Ppl will mostly walk out of it, so you don’t get much use of atro, thus, blood spawn, yeah 6k def is good, but not enough to choose it over skeleton. For me I found out that the best combination is Chudan + anti-stealth from mages guild. You get 7% max mag, spell crit, other passives, antiNB tool. And you become very bulky all the time.
Ultimate is a real problem, I didn’t try dawnbreaker, but mages guild ult sometimes works well, when you time it right. Curse-ult-flame reach-frag. Ppl don’t have enough time to block ult.
I don’t like wrath, it is fancy to land all the combo and instakill, but it works against squishy newbies. At other time it is a waist of slot at mana.

Montimer94

Problem with Pirate skeleton is that while you transform you can’t bar swap. Ok, the transformation is fast but yesterday I had real issues because of the lag. Even my character didn’t transform into the skeleton (but has the buff and the sound of the skeleton when jumping, etc) and I couldn’t bar swap till the effect ended. So annoying.

Sp1dHQ wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

Masters is 10 times better ofc, but in order to choose blood spawn over chudan you have to be doing lots of 1vX in CP. Blood spawn is not the best defensive set (skeleton is way better). It gives good ulti regen, so you can get good atronach uptime. To get any use of it, zerg must stay under atro. In BG, NoCP, any small scale pvp 1v1/2. Ppl will mostly walk out of it, so you don’t get much use of atro, thus, blood spawn, yeah 6k def is good, but not enough to choose it over skeleton. For me I found out that the best combination is Chudan + anti-stealth from mages guild. You get 7% max mag, spell crit, other passives, antiNB tool. And you become very bulky all the time.
Ultimate is a real problem, I didn’t try dawnbreaker, but mages guild ult sometimes works well, when you time it right. Curse-ult-flame reach-frag. Ppl don’t have enough time to block ult.
I don’t like wrath, it is fancy to land all the combo and instakill, but it works against squishy newbies. At other time it is a waist of slot at mana.

Maulkin

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

The bolded goes without saying, but for me personally:
Chudan + RAT > BloodSpawn + Boundless

With the combination of snare immunity, speed buff, Streak and double shields... well, you simply can't die if you don't over extend. You can forever kite and get away.

Maulkin

@Bumi Rockafella

There's practically no point backbarring a staff when you have 0 destro/resto skills on that bar. Maybe perhaps to proc an enchant but pffff. The meta for backbar in that build is equipping S&B. The S&B passives are just too strong. You can block-streak your way out of trouble while taking next to zero damage and being immune to projectile CC and proc'ing the Psijic shield as well.

Also, me personally as an Altmer Magsorc, in CP PvP (i.e. Kal Cyro) I rarely ever dip into Lich proc even with 3 spell damage enchants. The sustain from Dark Conversion, Harness and the bonuses from Continuous Attack make Lich needless. I personally backbar Armor Master and the tankability on this thing is insane. Although for those that don't have a good grip on sustain Lich is certainly not bad.

The only downside of those builds is that they're so good it's getting boring. So I'm now experimenting with more aggressive builds that are certainly worse overall but more challenging and fun. Like no-pet, double destro builds where you backbar an offensive set like either Spell Strat or Icy Conjuror.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Sp1dHQ wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

Masters is 10 times better ofc, but in order to choose blood spawn over chudan you have to be doing lots of 1vX in CP. Blood spawn is not the best defensive set (skeleton is way better). It gives good ulti regen, so you can get good atronach uptime. To get any use of it, zerg must stay under atro. In BG, NoCP, any small scale pvp 1v1/2. Ppl will mostly walk out of it, so you don’t get much use of atro, thus, blood spawn, yeah 6k def is good, but not enough to choose it over skeleton. For me I found out that the best combination is Chudan + anti-stealth from mages guild. You get 7% max mag, spell crit, other passives, antiNB tool. And you become very bulky all the time.
Ultimate is a real problem, I didn’t try dawnbreaker, but mages guild ult sometimes works well, when you time it right. Curse-ult-flame reach-frag. Ppl don’t have enough time to block ult.
I don’t like wrath, it is fancy to land all the combo and instakill, but it works against squishy newbies. At other time it is a waist of slot at mana.

Bloodspawn can proc through your shields, pirate skele can’t. I prefer chudan and bloodspawn over pirate skele.

Joy_Division

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

But, but, it's broken OP!

ShadowProc

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

I don’t know. I have been having a lot of success with mages wrath. When I used boundless so many times I would have someone down to execute and a wrath prof would have finished them off.

I mean eventually they still die but when I am trying to 1vx I find if I kill them quicker I don’t need to tank as much.

What are the advantages of boundless over wrath? Maybe I am overlooking something.

NinchiTV

Maulkin wrote: »

@Bumi Rockafella

There's practically no point backbarring a staff when you have 0 destro/resto skills on that bar. Maybe perhaps to proc an enchant but pffff. The meta for backbar in that build is equipping S&B. The S&B passives are just too strong. You can block-streak your way out of trouble while taking next to zero damage and being immune to projectile CC and proc'ing the Psijic shield as well.

Also, me personally as an Altmer Magsorc, in CP PvP (i.e. Kal Cyro) I rarely ever dip into Lich proc even with 3 spell damage enchants. The sustain from Dark Conversion, Harness and the bonuses from Continuous Attack make Lich needless. I personally backbar Armor Master and the tankability on this thing is insane. Although for those that don't have a good grip on sustain Lich is certainly not bad.

The only downside of those builds is that they're so good it's getting boring. So I'm now experimenting with more aggressive builds that are certainly worse overall but more challenging and fun. Like no-pet, double destro builds where you backbar an offensive set like either Spell Strat or Icy Conjuror.

I like restro over S&B because you can proc major mending that helps the pet heal, return a lot of mag in combination of dark conversion or lich if proc'd. I understand how powerful S&B can be and yes i get that you can return stam from heavy so you can use conversion more.

i used armor master for a bit myself and its really good for leading groups since youre at the head of a charge if youre crown so you want to be able to take a few hits, solo though I didnt like the lack of damage and fights lasted too long so the people i was fighting just called for back and zerged me down.

"The only downside of those builds is that they're so good it's getting boring" TRUE LUL which is why im gonna start making non meta builds, got a hybrid NB theory crafted just need to suit him up.

NinchiTV

ShadowProc wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Drop willpower for masters
Drop chudan for bloodspawn
Drop mages wrath for boundless

I don’t know. I have been having a lot of success with mages wrath. When I used boundless so many times I would have someone down to execute and a wrath prof would have finished them off.

I mean eventually they still die but when I am trying to 1vx I find if I kill them quicker I don’t need to tank as much.

What are the advantages of boundless over wrath? Maybe I am overlooking something.

Of ALL the classes that have their major resistant giving buff the sorcs is the one where you can swap it out for something better. Boundless if you choose to use it does help those more "in your face" and aggressive sorcs. But streak is really all you need to gain distance IMO so i dropped it. Oh and you can weave in wrath to proc frags, cant do that with boundless.

SubtleHate

this build is the complete opposite of what faso tells people to run lmao. chudan, no boundless, resto staff with a pet. what a pepega build hehehehehe

SubtleHate

also why would you use willpower staff when you are using flame clench ?

NinchiTV

willpower's 1.5mag > master's that buff one skill that can be blocked and dodged pretty easy. that 1.5k helps everything.

grannas211

Willpower is never better than master for a flame reach build unless you simply do not have one.

NinchiTV

grannas211 wrote: »

Willpower is never better than master for a flame reach build unless you simply do not have one.

i was half joking, this build isnt solely reliant on flame reach spam, I dont have masters because I dont really care for pve. Ive used willpower for years and it hasnt failed me and never ONCE have i ever found myself saying "wow i really wish I had a master staff i wouldve won that fight." bottom line is the extra magic is more important than buffing ONE skill that can be dodged and blocked easily.

grannas211

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

Willpower is never better than master for a flame reach build unless you simply do not have one.

i was half joking, this build isnt solely reliant on flame reach spam, I dont have masters because I dont really care for pve. Ive used willpower for years and it hasnt failed me and never ONCE have i ever found myself saying "wow i really wish I had a master staff i wouldve won that fight." bottom line is the extra magic is more important than buffing ONE skill that can be dodged and blocked easily.

But its not better. Flame reach is your spammable. Its too expensive and too weak without the master staff. Just use force pulse with willpower. Youre the one making a AMA thread about "meta sorc build." No offense.