Did Blizzard try to counter us ?

bluebird

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

Nothing is gonna save WoW, no MMO could kill it but you know what killed WoW, Activision/Blizzard did.

BFA is utter trash and literally almost any MMO right now that is relevant like ESO, FF14, GW2 is better, like not even a matter of opinion it's just all of those 3 MMOs are better in content. Before anyone spews Blizzard fanboy BS, lets quickly list everything wrong with current WoW.

• Story Sucks
• Azerite system blows
• Class design is at it's worst
• LOL locking races behind a rep time gate mechanic
• Island EXs are meh at best
• Mythic + is not as good as it was in Legion
• Faction imbalance to the extreme, like Swotr extreme

Like even coming from someone who wants classic so bad, it's little too late. August 27th is too late cause Elsweyr is already out by 3 months and FF14 SB will be out in a little over 3 weeks from now. BFA 8.2 looks dull as 8.0 and it's just not even worth playing WoW anymore till Ion and Lore leave the dev team and Blizzard looks back at what made WoW the MMO to play.

I agree with most of what you said, and yet... WoW still has way more to offer than ESO or any other MMO on the market. Sure BfA isn't doing great with fans of WoW who played previous expacs, but WoW still has

• More story than the entirety of Elsweyr in each of its 6 new zones, some of them really epic despite the Sylvanas fails
• A gear progression and talent system instead of having been capped at cp160 several years ago
• 12 classes with 3 distinct playstyles each, as opposed to every Relenquen dw/bow or bow/bow build ever
• It does have 6+ new races, no matter the rep requirements, while ESO has none
• At least it does have different activities like islands, warfronts, and Mythic dungeons while ESO doesn't
• Faction imbalance isn't any worse than full nightcapped cyro campaigns or zerg trains where the opposite factions just relog to a different char/campaign instead of bothering to defend hopelessly

So I totally agre that BfA is a really low point for WoW, but I don't think they'd ever feel threatened by a small MMO like ESO, and certainly wouldn't coordinate attacks against ESO nor would they time Classic around Elsweyr.

Banana

We should swap servers

anitajoneb17_ESO

Seems to me that gaming companies don't need to "send" anyone to trash talk their competitors on the internet. Players seem to enjoy doing that spontaneously. Or did ZOS send the OP to create this thread ? ;-)

Cpt_Teemo

Also Twitch knew about Classic WoW since a year ago so not sure how that's new news ?

idk

bluebird wrote: »

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

Nothing is gonna save WoW, no MMO could kill it but you know what killed WoW, Activision/Blizzard did.

BFA is utter trash and literally almost any MMO right now that is relevant like ESO, FF14, GW2 is better, like not even a matter of opinion it's just all of those 3 MMOs are better in content. Before anyone spews Blizzard fanboy BS, lets quickly list everything wrong with current WoW.

• Story Sucks
• Azerite system blows
• Class design is at it's worst
• LOL locking races behind a rep time gate mechanic
• Island EXs are meh at best
• Mythic + is not as good as it was in Legion
• Faction imbalance to the extreme, like Swotr extreme

Like even coming from someone who wants classic so bad, it's little too late. August 27th is too late cause Elsweyr is already out by 3 months and FF14 SB will be out in a little over 3 weeks from now. BFA 8.2 looks dull as 8.0 and it's just not even worth playing WoW anymore till Ion and Lore leave the dev team and Blizzard looks back at what made WoW the MMO to play.

I agree with most of what you said, and yet... WoW still has way more to offer than ESO or any other MMO on the market. Sure BfA isn't doing great with fans of WoW who played previous expacs, but WoW still has

• More story than the entirety of Elsweyr in each of its 6 new zones, some of them really epic despite the Sylvanas fails
• A gear progression and talent system instead of having been capped at cp160 several years ago
• 12 classes with 3 distinct playstyles each, as opposed to every Relenquen dw/bow or bow/bow build ever
• It does have 6+ new races, no matter the rep requirements, while ESO has none
• At least it does have different activities like islands, warfronts, and Mythic dungeons while ESO doesn't
• Faction imbalance isn't any worse than full nightcapped cyro campaigns or zerg trains where the opposite factions just relog to a different char/campaign instead of bothering to defend hopelessly

So I totally agre that BfA is a really low point for WoW, but I don't think they'd ever feel threatened by a small MMO like ESO, and certainly wouldn't coordinate attacks against ESO nor would they time Classic around Elsweyr.

I would hope an ancient game like WoW had more content after 15 years than a game that has been out for only 5.

Also, yes, they have 12 classes with their own playstyle but you are forced to play certain ways with each of those classes.

It is a tired old game and anyone who is really into the more fluid and robust combat style of ESO, not to mention graphics sees nothing worthwhile in ESO. I tried it and felt sorry for those that still think WoW is a good game.

Thoragaal

Cba reading the entire thread, so I'm sorry if someone's mentioned it already.. but.. Wasn't WoW Classic announced over a year ago already, during Blizzcon? If so, what does that have to do with Elsweyr? If anything it would sound more like ZOS is trying to "counter" Classic WoW.

HowardMoon

https://imgur.com/i4qQu67

Jeremy

Uviryth wrote: »

WoW Classic will be an epic disaster when people realize how boring it really was (I know that because I was there and I am not suffering from Memberberry-Overdose). If anything there will be a flood of returning players in a month or so.

I'm sure nostalgia plays a role. But the landscape content on classic WoW was a lot more challenging and fun than the modern version in my opinion - and I do believe there is a hunger for that kind of game play to reemerge out there. So it may be more successful than some may predict.

A lot of us miss the old days when exploring and questing was actually a challenging and interesting part of the game.

AlienSlof

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

Such is the nature of competition.

Numerikuu

Tasear wrote: »

Yeah but they are listening and working on it.

Tell that to the pages upon pages of feedback over the past few years for races, classes, skills, crafts, and so on that have ended up completely and utterly ignored. Not to mention the ever decreasing server performance, and the forever broken group finder. They're not working on it. Don't kid yourself. They will work on ramping up monetization of the game though.

Tasear wrote: »

Class spirit is important to them.

'Spirit' indeed... Some classes feel like ghosts of their former selves at this point.

Tasear wrote: »

Eventually we won out and for most part people can play as they want.

Enough with the 'play how you want' thing. It's play how 'they' want and has been for years now. The only place you can get away with it is overland pve content, but it's so easy you can light attack everything to death.

Also tell that to the people who built unique tanking and healing roles on certain classes, only to have them killed off after the skills they used were gutted. But sure... play how you want.

bluebird

idk wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

Nothing is gonna save WoW, no MMO could kill it but you know what killed WoW, Activision/Blizzard did.

BFA is utter trash and literally almost any MMO right now that is relevant like ESO, FF14, GW2 is better, like not even a matter of opinion it's just all of those 3 MMOs are better in content. Before anyone spews Blizzard fanboy BS, lets quickly list everything wrong with current WoW.

• Story Sucks
• Azerite system blows
• Class design is at it's worst
• LOL locking races behind a rep time gate mechanic
• Island EXs are meh at best
• Mythic + is not as good as it was in Legion
• Faction imbalance to the extreme, like Swotr extreme

Like even coming from someone who wants classic so bad, it's little too late. August 27th is too late cause Elsweyr is already out by 3 months and FF14 SB will be out in a little over 3 weeks from now. BFA 8.2 looks dull as 8.0 and it's just not even worth playing WoW anymore till Ion and Lore leave the dev team and Blizzard looks back at what made WoW the MMO to play.

I agree with most of what you said, and yet... WoW still has way more to offer than ESO or any other MMO on the market. Sure BfA isn't doing great with fans of WoW who played previous expacs, but WoW still has

• More story than the entirety of Elsweyr in each of its 6 new zones, some of them really epic despite the Sylvanas fails
• A gear progression and talent system instead of having been capped at cp160 several years ago
• 12 classes with 3 distinct playstyles each, as opposed to every Relenquen dw/bow or bow/bow build ever
• It does have 6+ new races, no matter the rep requirements, while ESO has none
• At least it does have different activities like islands, warfronts, and Mythic dungeons while ESO doesn't
• Faction imbalance isn't any worse than full nightcapped cyro campaigns or zerg trains where the opposite factions just relog to a different char/campaign instead of bothering to defend hopelessly

So I totally agre that BfA is a really low point for WoW, but I don't think they'd ever feel threatened by a small MMO like ESO, and certainly wouldn't coordinate attacks against ESO nor would they time Classic around Elsweyr.

I would hope an ancient game like WoW had more content after 15 years than a game that has been out for only 5.

Also, yes, they have 12 classes with their own playstyle but you are forced to play certain ways with each of those classes.

It is a tired old game and anyone who is really into the more fluid and robust combat style of ESO, not to mention graphics sees nothing worthwhile in ESO. I tried it and felt sorry for those that still think WoW is a good game.

All of the content I mentioned comes with baseline BfA, which is comparable to Elsweyr in price, though clearly not the amount of content. For the price of £30-50 Elsweyr gives you one story zone, one trial, one class, while for £40 BfA gets you 6 story zones, one trial, 10 dungeons, 6 races, and new game modes such as islands and warfronts. So the 15 years of content didn't even factor into it.

And certainly there are advantages to ESO's 'customizability' but the approximately 70% build similarity of almost every single PvE stam build and around 40% of magicka builds isn't as flexible as it pretends to be. I'd rather have 36 fixed skill lines with distinct abilities and unique resources for example that have equally viable skills, than know that I'll be using the same weapon combo and most of the same skill combos on all my melee dps characters. WoW's skill-based talent system is also far more customizable than ESO's 'here's some flat increases to your stats' champion points.

So sure, you can love ESO and prefer its systems, but no matter how much people try to bash WoW, it's still in a completely different league than ESO and wouldn't ever plan one of its most fan-requested features like Classic around what time a random new single zone gets added to a less popular MMO.

Eldar_Ftw

bluebird wrote: »

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

Nothing is gonna save WoW, no MMO could kill it but you know what killed WoW, Activision/Blizzard did.

BFA is utter trash and literally almost any MMO right now that is relevant like ESO, FF14, GW2 is better, like not even a matter of opinion it's just all of those 3 MMOs are better in content. Before anyone spews Blizzard fanboy BS, lets quickly list everything wrong with current WoW.

• Story Sucks
• Azerite system blows
• Class design is at it's worst
• LOL locking races behind a rep time gate mechanic
• Island EXs are meh at best
• Mythic + is not as good as it was in Legion
• Faction imbalance to the extreme, like Swotr extreme

Like even coming from someone who wants classic so bad, it's little too late. August 27th is too late cause Elsweyr is already out by 3 months and FF14 SB will be out in a little over 3 weeks from now. BFA 8.2 looks dull as 8.0 and it's just not even worth playing WoW anymore till Ion and Lore leave the dev team and Blizzard looks back at what made WoW the MMO to play.

I agree with most of what you said, and yet... WoW still has way more to offer than ESO or any other MMO on the market. Sure BfA isn't doing great with fans of WoW who played previous expacs, but WoW still has

• More story than the entirety of Elsweyr in each of its 6 new zones, some of them really epic despite the Sylvanas fails
  
  Hell no, the story hasn't been good since Wotlk
  
• A gear progression and talent system instead of having been capped at cp160 several years ago
  
  The talent system sucks, you pick w/e ability that doesn't suck in that tier if your spec is that lucky cause some tiers all three choices suck
  
• 12 classes with 3 distinct playstyles each, as opposed to every Relenquen dw/bow or bow/bow build ever
  
  A good chunk of those classes are boring AF to play, too gimped to do end game content like Mythic + or there's a few that only exceed in pvp while sucking at pve and vice versa. Plus the gear system has been trash since they got rid of tier sets which were amazing. h and lets not even go into titanforging...cause it just gimps builds
  
• It does have 6+ new races, no matter the rep requirements, while ESO has none
  
  Cause most races in TES lore are playable already in game unless you want to count the many different breeds of Khajiits, also FF14 ARR is releasing 2 new races next month for SB with 0 stupid time gated mechanics
  
• At least it does have different activities like islands, warfronts, and Mythic dungeons while ESO doesn't
  
  Vma, Delvs, WBs, trials, Vtrials, dolmans, Cyrodiil, Vdungeons, better profession system and I know I'm mission a few other things as well
  
• Faction imbalance isn't any worse than full nightcapped cyro campaigns or zerg trains where the opposite factions just relog to a different char/campaign instead of bothering to defend hopelessly
  
  Try doing anything as Alliance the past 3 years, last time I checked only 12 guilds in the top 100 are Alliance in WoW.
  

So I totally agre that BfA is a really low point for WoW, but I don't think they'd ever feel threatened by a small MMO like ESO, and certainly wouldn't coordinate attacks against ESO nor would they time Classic around Elsweyr.

Honestly I don't care if Blizzard feels threatened or not by ESO, GW2 or FF14, the Blizzard that released decent content for WoW are long gone from the company.

Rawkan

Blizzard is busy trying to counter themselves at the moment, all their games are down in profits.

Mitaka211

The only thing they send to ESO is more people to play with us lol . I am really enjoying the new zone.
I have seen some classic gameplay and honestly i give it a couple of months before they realize its pure nostalgia.

mann9753b16_ESO

Vanilla WoW was a great game for its time. Noone can seriously deny that.

My biggest problem with it was, that unless you joined a Raid Guild, it had no endgame. The endgame in WoW was: 5 days a week farm mats for Raids, and 2 days a week raid.

Boss mechanics were rare, and most bosses were Gearchecks and little more, but that was in 2004, when bosses that actually used mechanics totaly blew your mind.

Now, for 2019 standards… I dont think it still holds up. Vanilla had many flaws, that alot of players complained about, but for some reason now people celebrate these flaws as awesome gameplay… Nostalgia I guess.


But the biggest reason I am not exited at all for Classic: After ESO I cant go back to a Tab target system. watching you and the mob exchange Autohits with each other and pressing a button when your rage is up (I played a Warrior) was boring then (Lategame I often went away from my PC after engaging a mob, to get a snack, use the bathroom, or watch TV) and its unbearable boring now.

The most interesting thing in WoW combat was to stay at range or kite as hunter/Mage...

VioletVience

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

WoW raids and pvp still much better balanced then ESO, they no need for.counter. ESO contain beautiful single story-mode but very very bad as online game.

bluebird

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Eldar_Ftw wrote: »

Nothing is gonna save WoW, no MMO could kill it but you know what killed WoW, Activision/Blizzard did.

BFA is utter trash and literally almost any MMO right now that is relevant like ESO, FF14, GW2 is better, like not even a matter of opinion it's just all of those 3 MMOs are better in content. Before anyone spews Blizzard fanboy BS, lets quickly list everything wrong with current WoW.

• Story Sucks
• Azerite system blows
• Class design is at it's worst
• LOL locking races behind a rep time gate mechanic
• Island EXs are meh at best
• Mythic + is not as good as it was in Legion
• Faction imbalance to the extreme, like Swotr extreme

Like even coming from someone who wants classic so bad, it's little too late. August 27th is too late cause Elsweyr is already out by 3 months and FF14 SB will be out in a little over 3 weeks from now. BFA 8.2 looks dull as 8.0 and it's just not even worth playing WoW anymore till Ion and Lore leave the dev team and Blizzard looks back at what made WoW the MMO to play.

I agree with most of what you said, and yet... WoW still has way more to offer than ESO or any other MMO on the market. Sure BfA isn't doing great with fans of WoW who played previous expacs, but WoW still has

• More story than the entirety of Elsweyr in each of its 6 new zones, some of them really epic despite the Sylvanas fails
  
  Hell no, the story hasn't been good since Wotlk
  
• A gear progression and talent system instead of having been capped at cp160 several years ago
  
  The talent system sucks, you pick w/e ability that doesn't suck in that tier if your spec is that lucky cause some tiers all three choices suck
  
• 12 classes with 3 distinct playstyles each, as opposed to every Relenquen dw/bow or bow/bow build ever
  
  A good chunk of those classes are boring AF to play, too gimped to do end game content like Mythic + or there's a few that only exceed in pvp while sucking at pve and vice versa. Plus the gear system has been trash since they got rid of tier sets which were amazing. h and lets not even go into titanforging...cause it just gimps builds
  
• It does have 6+ new races, no matter the rep requirements, while ESO has none
  
  Cause most races in TES lore are playable already in game unless you want to count the many different breeds of Khajiits, also FF14 ARR is releasing 2 new races next month for SB with 0 stupid time gated mechanics
  
• At least it does have different activities like islands, warfronts, and Mythic dungeons while ESO doesn't
  
  Vma, Delvs, WBs, trials, Vtrials, dolmans, Cyrodiil, Vdungeons, better profession system and I know I'm mission a few other things as well
  
• Faction imbalance isn't any worse than full nightcapped cyro campaigns or zerg trains where the opposite factions just relog to a different char/campaign instead of bothering to defend hopelessly
  
  Try doing anything as Alliance the past 3 years, last time I checked only 12 guilds in the top 100 are Alliance in WoW.
  

So I totally agre that BfA is a really low point for WoW, but I don't think they'd ever feel threatened by a small MMO like ESO, and certainly wouldn't coordinate attacks against ESO nor would they time Classic around Elsweyr.

Honestly I don't care if Blizzard feels threatened or not by ESO, GW2 or FF14, the Blizzard that released decent content for WoW are long gone from the company.

My post was less about 'why WoW is a great game' and more about pointing out that WoW has no reason to schedule its content around ESO's chapter release because they don't even play in the same ball park. I'll put the points behind a spoiler tag, because we might as well talk about those features since you brought up specific points (though you may have noticed I wrote those points in reply to someone, not as an exhaustive comparison list about why WoW is is better or why ESO's better )

'Hell no, the story hasn't been good since Wotlk': I specifically talked about the 6 new zones of BfA, compared to the one new zone of Elsweyr. Have you played them? The illegal arms manufacturing civil war story line of Tiragard Sound, or the royal coup and aid of the loa story of Zuldazar are just as good as Elsweyr's dragons-and-cats Imperial usurpation. And still, I'd say MoP's and Legion's stories were quite good generally as well not just zone-wise.

'The talent system sucks, you pick w/e ability that doesn't suck in that tier if your spec is that lucky': You can change your talents based on the situation and your playstyle, are you soloing or in a group, are you facing a single target or multiple mobs, etc. That's already more customisation than ESO - you'll be picking all passives anyway because you have the skillpoints so picking one doesn't prevent you from picking the rest too, and you just get flat stats in the cp trees instead of active abilities or skill syngeries.

'A good chunk of those classes are boring AF to play.:' Almost every single one of ESO's PvE builds are homogenous. Apply buffs, apply dots, buttonmash until it's time to reapply buffs and dots - no cooldowns, no burst windows, no procs or similar synergies, nothing. Classes and weapon skill lines - even across magicka and stamina - have basically identical skills just with different flavours. You get a class buff you'll want to keep active, maybe a skill you want to slot for the passive, you get targeted AoEs you'll want to keep down at all times, you get targeted DoTs you want to keep up at all times, a spammable AoE, and a single-target spammable. The difference between frost mages and arcane mages is already far greater than that, neverming shadow priests, sub rogues, etc.

'Cause most races in TES lore are playable already in game unless you want to count the many different breeds of Khajiits, also FF14 ARR is releasing 2 new races next month for SB with 0 stupid time gated mechanics': I didn't necessarily ask for more TES races, although they could indeed add Maormer or Ohmes-raht and other Khajiit breeds. WoW released 2 races on launch in TBC and Cata, as well as new classes on launch with no requirements in Wotlk, MoP and Legion, so I think adding 6 races but making them rep-gated is fairly reasonable. I'd rather have the option to pursure 8 new races than to have only 2.

'Vma, Delvs, WBs, trials, Vtrials, dolmans, Cyrodiil, Vdungeons, better profession system and I know I'm mission a few other things as well': Delves are just instanced overland content, it's basically the same as if you walk into an enemy encampment with a rare mob in the middle in a WoW zone. Wow has raids, which is why trails weren't brought up, but still it has more than trials and vet trials, it has Raid Finder, normal, heroic and Mythic raids. Cyrodill (which is a great and unique PvP map) is a PvP map, and WoW has many different types of battlegrounds. It has normal, Heroic, Mythic and Mythic+ challenge mode dungeons, while ESO has normal and vet dungeons (with some HM bosses). The profession system is definitely better! And so are the voice overs and housing for example! But those weren't brought up by the person I was replying to so it was irrelevant to mention.

Jeremy

VioletVience wrote: »

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

WoW raids and pvp still much better balanced then ESO, they no need for.counter. ESO contain beautiful single story-mode but very very bad as online game.

I thought WoW's PvP was better balanced as well.

For all of WoW's faults - they still do PvP better than just about any other game I can think of. At least when I played it.

FakeFox

Solid_Metal wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

There is no more Blizzard. Activision took over wow. Blizzard may have moved on to bigger things.

bigger things ?, you meant diablo immortal ?

Don't you have a phone?

Tonnopesce

Uviryth wrote: »

WoW Classic will be an epic disaster when people realize how boring it really was (I know that because I was there and I am not suffering from Memberberry-Overdose). If anything there will be a flood of returning players in a month or so.

I've watche a couple of streams of wow classic and man, that game is terrible.
Once the nostalgia fades off we will have even more players switching from wow to eso/FF both far superior games.

Tatanko

bluebird wrote: »

a small MMO like ESO

lol k

Tigerseye

Blizzard are not nice people.

They are arrogant and don't listen to the majority - the genuine, nice, players who represent most of the of the gaming community - even when those people made a real effort to come and warn them that the direction they were taking was damaging to both the players and the game.

They, happily, played one side off against the other.

Not saying there aren't/weren't a few nice people at Blizzard (as, at one point, they tried to move the game in a positive direction, so it's possible), but as a company, they're pretty rancid (or were).

Nothing would surprise me with them, frankly.

Blizzard is what happens when hardcore gamers, who despise the majority of gamers, make a game.

Tigerseye

VioletVience wrote: »

WoW raids and pvp still much better balanced then ESO, they no need for.counter. ESO contain beautiful single story-mode but very very bad as online game.

That's true.

They're competent; they're just not very nice.

kathandira

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

Classic has been in the works for a very long time. The release date might be an attempt to counter, but it's been known for a while now that the classic servers were on their way.

Facefister

Tatanko wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

a small MMO like ESO

lol k

WoW is on it's lowest low right now and they have as many players as ESO right now. Compared to that, ESO is small time in every area except in questing maybe.

Tigerseye

kathandira wrote: »

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

Classic has been in the works for a very long time. The release date might be an attempt to counter, but it's been known for a while now that the classic servers were on their way.

To be fair to Blizz, despite what I said earlier, they pretty much had to do Classic, even though they knew it would be a big mistake, due to unrelenting pressure from a small, but disturbingly persistent, subset of the community.

This subset were attempting to destroy the main game, by insisting it was changed dramatically (to become totally unfriendly, to all but the most hardcore) and that was threatening to drive the majority of (non-crazy, frankly) players away.

Blizz should have stood up to them, but they either agreed with them secretly (distinct possibility), or simply couldn't find the b*lls to do it.

So, there was no other option left but to give these deluded people what they (thought they) wanted, to try to keep them away from the rest of the game.

Kel

Tasear wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

ESO 1.5 server coming next?

They would suffer the same issues that WoW Classic will.

Sure everyone wants "some" parts of those days back, but not everything in that version was good. Also where do you go from there, what content will you do when you've beaten all the classic content again etc.

Nope eso only has gotten better.

YMMV for each person. I would agree overall the games improved, but there are some areas I think are worse.

Yeah but they are listening and working on it. Class spirit is important to them. Eventually we won out and for most part people can play as they want.

All the dps classes have some utility for groups except wardens...All the dps classes pull comparable numbers.

Only class people think aren't healers are DragonKnights.

Tank isn't required to use enfluging flames.. wrobel left for this to happen. Liofa really fought for this. Nb and Templar now have a cc they can use called fear.

Overland combat sucks but story telling has gotten better. Bit questionable lote practices but hope they fix and learn from mistakes.

Didn't you drop out of the class rep program saying that they WEREN'T listening?
And I've heard about bugs and issues, including with necromancer, (one of the biggest selling points) that Zos has completely ignored. Some class reps brought up the fact the PvP artifact and locked campaigns might be a bad idea to have right off the bat. Also ignored.

Listening to who?

Sanctuary_Reaper

I really dont think Blizzard is the problem, The problem is Activision, Bungie and Destiny anyone? Now Activision & Bungie have parted ways, i expect Destiny to be brought upto the standards Bungie originally wanted, Not the cash grab mechanics Activision wanted.

Maybe i am way off base, but Activision is the sole factor.

I tried WoW a couple of times, but no matter the problems that ESO has, WoW doesnt even come close to it. I'm no ZoS fanboy either, i have vented my disgust at the performance issue's and the lies we have been fed about improvments, about the crown store cash grab.

WoW just doesn't cut it, in 2019.

david_m_18b16_ESO

lelink88 wrote: »

They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums.

Thats false. WoW have a lots of fan knights. Kinda like Starship citizen. They don't ask anyone to be toxic toward the others, the fanboys are doing it on their own.

Juju_beans

lelink88 wrote: »

They suddenly announced WoW classic beta few day before Elsweyr, then they announce stress test event for a 14 years old game 3 day after Elsweyr release. They send people to talking bad about Elsweyr in other game forums. They try their best to distract social media from ESO. I used to be Blizzard's fan, but now I hate them as a greedy pig try to slow down all game industry

It ain't all roses and lollipops for "wow classic". Go read those forums.
Seems priority access was given to streamers for both beta and stress test.
Most of the other players spent hours stuck at character creation screen.
And this was after re-subbing for $15 because only active subs could participate in their extremely limited beta and non-accessible stress test.

ESO has nothing to worry about IMHO.