starkerealm wrote: »
starkerealm wrote: »
Apologies, let me make it clearer for you.
Do you think you(@starkerealm) would be able to get the Godslayer title with a group with 8 easy mode sorcs seeing as it is "viable for ALL end game content".
Perhaps Xynode would help you out with this achievement as it would a great opportunity to silence people hating on his builds and prove that his build truly deserves to be immortalised on the ESO website.
starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Apologies, let me make it clearer for you.
Do you think you(@starkerealm) would be able to get the Godslayer title with a group with 8 easy mode sorcs seeing as it is "viable for ALL end game content".
Perhaps Xynode would help you out with this achievement as it would a great opportunity to silence people hating on his builds and prove that his build truly deserves to be immortalised on the ESO website.
Yeah, multiboxing isn't really my thing, so running eight characters at once is right out.
Also, just in case it's not clear, my magsorc is PvP.
It certainly does care, given that healing returned from certain sets/abilities is based on outgoing damage.
I agree that Tactician is probably the least useful, which again makes one wonder about sinking a combined 120 points into Physical Weapons Expert and Master-at-Arms to achieve it. That's one heck of an opportunity cost if there's literally any benefit to be gained in The Ritual.
Also, weirdly, the CP600 setup has 27 (vhat?) points in The Ritual, whereas the CP300 and CP810 ones have zero. So...was that a mistake? Is there a reason? Concerned citizens in the CP600 range like myself want to know. I could ask him, but I'd rather not badger people who take time to create all this stuff about every little thing.
As much as I hate watching videos for builds, which I feel are far better expressed written because they're not necessarily a thing you want to look at linearly, I do it anyway because often you get more explanations about that sort of thing. Xynode is particularly good about this, e.g. "You could use X here, but I didn't because Y, and I'm using Z because A B and C".
And again, that was one tiny example. I have at least one question like that about everything I've ever seen, and the thought of posting about them all..for all 10 of my characters...makes me want to log out and play The 13th Doll. Especially since the information is probably available...somewhere.
So you don't even use the build you're defending. Do you use any of Xynode's builds?
Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
You don't need a lot of lightning staves for that, a warden can do 100% single target minor vul solo. two necros 100% aoe minor vul.
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
You don't need a lot of lightning staves for that, a warden can do 100% single target minor vul solo. two necros 100% aoe minor vul.
starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
You don't need a lot of lightning staves for that, a warden can do 100% single target minor vul solo. two necros 100% aoe minor vul.
Exactly. That is the, "IA Uptime," they're talking about losing out on. It's, surprisingly, one of the least important damage considerations in the build.
It is kinda funny, because when you see people who've never seen the build in action, they do tend to focus on entirely the wrong things about what makes it work.
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
You don't need a lot of lightning staves for that, a warden can do 100% single target minor vul solo. two necros 100% aoe minor vul.
Pretty much this. Why bother with a chance to proc Minor vuln with elemental damage when you can proc it 100% with one GCD.
Because if you don't account for the 8% IA brings. It's so little dps that it's beaten by Julianus before we even reach the low twenties.
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »Do you think you'll be able to get Godslayer with 8 easy mode sorcs?
I'd go with between "extremely unlikely" and "impossible". It is possible to get Godslayer and other trinities with an all magicka group, but you would need to be 1) optimized and 2) possess very high DPS and mechanical knowledge.
I would be willing to bet, based on the theoretical and tested DPS ceiling of the build, that you would not be able to get Godslayer with Easy Mode sorcs. The damage is just not there.
Though I would be interested in seeing how many Flame Atros you'd get on Yolnahkriin and how many Frost Atros you'd get on Lokkestiiz this way.
But surely stacking that much IA uptime has to count for something?! This build can do ALL end game content, ALL!!!!!!
I realize this may be new information for you, but any source of lightning generates minor vulnerability. This means any group of players using lightning staves will be proccing that near constantly.
Grianasteri wrote: »I cannot believe people are still bumping their bums about this build.
It works. It is capable of very high DPS. It is simple to use.
Get over it. Move on.
starkerealm wrote: »Because if you don't account for the 8% IA brings. It's so little dps that it's beaten by Julianus before we even reach the low twenties.
Given that wall of Elements on a properly tuned Easy Sorc should be critting for more than 20k, and that the heavy attacks will crit for more than that... it sounds like you might have more profound issues if you're having a hard time getting the build to perform for you.
Since when does "a build can do all end game content" equal stacking eight chars of that build in one raid group?
starkerealm wrote: »Because if you don't account for the 8% IA brings. It's so little dps that it's beaten by Julianus before we even reach the low twenties.
Given that wall of Elements on a properly tuned Easy Sorc should be critting for more than 20k, and that the heavy attacks will crit for more than that... it sounds like you might have more profound issues if you're having a hard time getting the build to perform for you.
IA literally adds 903 damage to the very last tick of your heavy attack. Now being generous to the easy sorc rotation you will have 3 ticks of 903 damage per 8 seconds. that's about 338 dps. So if we do not account for the 8% damage that IA gives to your group. 299 spell damage will beat out 338 dps before even if you're doing less than 20k dps in total. The heavy attack damage you see criting for 20k is mostly your effective spell damage. It has very little to do with your proc sets.
EDIT the crit from the IA 5th pieces is equal to about 129 spell damage. but that does not change the fact that the proc damage from IA is insanely low.
I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.
I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.
That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.
T3hasiangod wrote: »I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.
I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.
That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.
There were parses done back when Elsweyr was first released.
starkerealm wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.
I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.
That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.
There were parses done back when Elsweyr was first released.
Might want to check Xy's parses. He actually understands how to run the build, and isn't letting UI drop off to "prove" a point. This is, at least, the third time you've presented a parse of one of Xy's builds that clearly didn't follow the build's mechanics so you could say, "see, it's garbage."
T3hasiangod wrote: »Xynode's Easy Sorc (directly pulled rotation, gear, and CP from his website)