World First Sunspire HM

tgrippa

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cool to see people clear but I honestly think trials would be better if they had to be cleared at the same time as everyone else like in other games. Would add more competitiveness to it.

Do you trust the devs to bug test it themselves? They need the players to do that for them. It’s the best way for them to release relatively bug free content.

Sanguinor2

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cool to see people clear but I honestly think trials would be better if they had to be cleared at the same time as everyone else like in other games. Would add more competitiveness to it.

Everyone with a PC account can start at the same time, there just isnt that many People that actually go to an untested Trial without knowing any mechanic especially in Veteran or Veteran hardmode, but if People wanted they could start at the same time, they just dont want to and then for whatever reason start to complain in all the Worlds first threads.

CatchMeTrolling

tgrippa wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cool to see people clear but I honestly think trials would be better if they had to be cleared at the same time as everyone else like in other games. Would add more competitiveness to it.

Do you trust the devs to bug test it themselves? They need the players to do that for them. It’s the best way for them to release relatively bug free content.

That’s why you test the game enough to eliminate most of the bugs, bugs are going to be there regardless. Still we can’t act like this is the first game with some type of raid system.

I just like seeing people sweat to get worlds first, takes away the excitement. Nothing like seeing streams of people trying to clear it first, which could possibly add more viewers as well for the community.

And before someone say I wish I could do it and I’m jealous. I play pvp and just like seeing people compete at the same time for worlds first.

ArchMikem

Turelus wrote: »

Congrats HOD... Wait what?

Congrats everyone, great to see some competition and new names. Hopefully it's the start of some interesting competition in ESO's raiding community.

Minus Consoles, of course?

Tasear

DyingIsEasy wrote: »

nud3_voxel wrote: »

Congrats! And don't mind the salt mine from people (including disgraced community ambassador) that actually benefit from all the PTS testing you guys do. The PTS is available to everyone after all.

I think you misunderstood @Tasear .
It would be much more epic if the world first happens half a year after release like it did with vMOL HM.
Let the HM be so hard that even the pros come to the forums crying for nerfs. Isn't that what we all want to see?

In a way that is what I mean, but I don't think it's right new trials are beat before live happens. We talk about end game community dying this is why.

Kingslayer513

Kingbawsack wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Some people just hate when others are proud of their accomplishments

Great job Unchained, that’s awesome!

Gratz to both those groups but the World First in ESO means nothing because of the PTS and the lack of competition. That's all people are saying

What? The OP mentions the competitive race against Hodor (which they narrowly won by 5 min). All of the competitive teams practiced on PTS first. There's a lot of competition.

Would you say Olympic runners are worth nothing because they had plenty of practice before the big race?

Anyways, Gratz on the first clear!

Chicharron

I have a question.

Which world's first has more merit?

The ones who play full of addons with Iron Man Screen UI or the ones who play weeks later without?

Sanguinor2

Chicharron wrote: »

I have a question.

Which world's first has more merit?

The ones who play full of addons with Iron Man Screen UI or the ones who play weeks later without?

I can offer a counterquestion:

Which world´s first has more Merit?

The ones that figured out all the mechanics, pulls, stacks and fights for you (and most likely didnt have addons that tell them whats coming for pts either) or the ones that Play weeks later but can look up all the Videos and guides and just copy paste the tactics of the implied "inferior" Worlds first clear?


The way you word your Question you ignore all the effort of guilds like hodor or UA that spent time figuring out the fights blind, reported the game Breaking Bugs etc. and present them as the weaker Players just because they have addons when the Trial goes to the live Server. Not cool imo.

ArchMikem

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

I have a question.

Which world's first has more merit?

The ones who play full of addons with Iron Man Screen UI or the ones who play weeks later without?

I can offer a counterquestion:

Which world´s first has more Merit?

The ones that figured out all the mechanics, pulls, stacks and fights for you (and most likely didnt have addons that tell them whats coming for pts either) or the ones that Play weeks later but can look up all the Videos and guides and just copy paste the tactics of the implied "inferior" Worlds first clear?

You assume Console players "leech" off guides and instructions. From my experience a ton of Trial runs are blind, we go in knowing nothing and we learn from experience, just like PC. Most Console players don't even think to look up guides.

The effort put in by both playerbases shouldn't be questioned. The only issue here is and has always been the fact that PC Guilds get to claim the pompous title of "World's First" when not only do they get the live content TWO WEEKS before Consoles, but they've also had a month of practice on the PTS. Console players on the other hand once they get the Live content, go in completely blind. And even then they've been automatically excluded from any "meanginful" claim to a World's First run.

All of it is rigged.

Chicharron

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

I have a question.

Which world's first has more merit?

The ones who play full of addons with Iron Man Screen UI or the ones who play weeks later without?

I can offer a counterquestion:

Which world´s first has more Merit?

The ones that figured out all the mechanics, pulls, stacks and fights for you (and most likely didnt have addons that tell them whats coming for pts either) or the ones that Play weeks later but can look up all the Videos and guides and just copy paste the tactics of the implied "inferior" Worlds first clear?


The way you word your Question you ignore all the effort of guilds like hodor or UA that spent time figuring out the fights blind, reported the game Breaking Bugs etc. and present them as the weaker Players just because they have addons when the Trial goes to the live Server. Not cool imo.

I never mention the PTS.

Just ask with or without addons, I do not know why you try to put words in my mouth.

ShadowProc

I don’t usually care for these posts but this one gets a HUGE awesome.

After all the times Alcast has said on his stream there is no competition. Literally a couple of times more in the last week............

lelink88

Well I will check who is the 2nd bcoz HoDOr always the 1st

Linaleah

a suggestion/request. since so much of actual progression happens on PTS - maybe post progress AS you progress? even while its still on pts. I don't think your achievement is devalued, but its a lot more fun in my experience to track actual race - boss by boss downed, rather then just hearing the results afterwards.

also, just how hard is it? like... is it going to be possible to carry someone through at least 2 first bosses? before the hate starts, I don't care about the titles and all that other stuff, but there are 2 amazing statues locked away behind hardmode kills and I'd like to know just how bad my chances are of actualy getting acess to buy them. ever.

Heelie

DyingIsEasy wrote: »

nud3_voxel wrote: »

Congrats! And don't mind the salt mine from people (including disgraced community ambassador) that actually benefit from all the PTS testing you guys do. The PTS is available to everyone after all.

I think you misunderstood @Tasear .
It would be much more epic if the world first happens half a year after release like it did with vMOL HM.
Let the HM be so hard that even the pros come to the forums crying for nerfs. Isn't that what we all want to see?

The only reason why vMoL HM took so long was that the trial was broken, had nothing to do with difficulty

Sinolai

Adernath wrote: »

Checking forums after a long working day, starting downloading the new expansion and browsing through the world-first post on the ESO forum.

Wouldn't it be more of a competition if the trial is downloadable a month before, and then officially opened during live?

I will certainly not participate in this by playing day and night (I just don't care personally because I got other things to do) but for those who have no fast internet connection or are actually working seriously during the day - and do care - would certainly appreciate a more controlled start of the 'race'.

Indeed. My friends were watching Hodor's Sunspire stream and betting wether I am able to log on before the world's first SS clear has been done😛 I beat Hodor, though I was at 99% when UA had cleared the Sunspire.

Varana

DyingIsEasy wrote: »

Let the HM be so hard that even the pros come to the forums crying for nerfs. Isn't that what we all want to see?

... no?

If game content is accessible to only a handful of players in an MMO, it has failed hard.

Adernath

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

People are actually even more so on equal Terms in the pts since everyone can make an absolute BIS character and Change it at will if something better is discovered while exploring the Trial for the first times, on live People with more gear and a bigger Variety of classes would have an Advantage.

Praetorrus wrote: »

It's already happening as soon as PTS starts. Best guilds dive in and start from the scratch. More of it, EU guilds additionally suffer with lag as PTS is in NA.

My point is that many people just don't have the time/patience to test something on PTS just for the purpose of bugfixing, let alone download and play the game Monday afternoon in working hours, immediately when the servers are back online.