Magblade or magsorc, overall question

Phiathornsyldol

If you would choose either of these to complete 100% of the game (I mean develop a character both, for pvp and pve purposes), what is a better choice? Right now I feel confused , because for me mag sorc is superior in pvp , but magblade feels more comfortable for solo-content and competitive pve. So, if you could choose one of them as a MAIN class to complete the game and balance pvp and pve , what would be your choice?

Jhalin

Mag sorc

Magsorc will do equal or better damage in PvE with the upcoming magNB nerfs, and they provide more utility with two viable synergies. NBs offer only group Savagery as part of their kits and have no viable group synergies. Vulnerability will be far too risky in most fights to have decent uptime

Vietfox

Magblade

Magsorc is obviously better than magblade.
I main a magblade because i'm stupid and love that class.

Strider__Roshin

Mag sorc

No contest.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Phiathornsyldol

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Wow, thanks for such an amazing analysis. In pvp , I prefer a solo ranged style , that's why I'm choosing from these specs. I've actually invested hundreds of hours in pvp gameplay of both classes , but currently have time and willingness to main only one , that's why it's so hard to decide.

Iskiab

Magblade

Danko35 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Wow, thanks for such an amazing analysis. In pvp , I prefer a solo ranged style , that's why I'm choosing from these specs. I've actually invested hundreds of hours in pvp gameplay of both classes , but currently have time and willingness to main only one , that's why it's so hard to decide.

I main a magblade almost exclusively for pvp, so my perspective is purely pvp oriented. Oreyn’s post is pretty spot on, except for a couple exceptions in my opinion:

A magblade healer or damage/healing mix is probably the strongest pvp spec for magblades

For pure range I think Sorcs are a lot stronger

Magblades as damage dealers are best played as a melee/range mix. So if you want to be pure ranged sorc would be the better choice.

So I’d make the choice around whether you like pets and if you want to mix in melee with range. Myself I’d choose magblade again because I like healing and like stealth classes, magblade is a no-brainer for me.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Mag sorc

Iskiab wrote: »

Danko35 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Wow, thanks for such an amazing analysis. In pvp , I prefer a solo ranged style , that's why I'm choosing from these specs. I've actually invested hundreds of hours in pvp gameplay of both classes , but currently have time and willingness to main only one , that's why it's so hard to decide.

I main a magblade almost exclusively for pvp, so my perspective is purely pvp oriented. Oreyn’s post is pretty spot on, except for a couple exceptions in my opinion:

A magblade healer or damage/healing mix is probably the strongest pvp spec for magblades

For pure range I think Sorcs are a lot stronger

Magblades as damage dealers are best played as a melee/range mix. So if you want to be pure ranged sorc would be the better choice.

So I’d make the choice around whether you like pets and if you want to mix in melee with range. Myself I’d choose magblade again because I like healing and like stealth classes, magblade is a no-brainer for me.

I see you posting a lot about magblades, just curious, have you played a magsorc at all?

Tommy_The_Gun

Mag sorc

Just for min-maxing ? Mag sorc. Compared to mag blade it feels like easy mode tbh. Mag NB was a thing back in the day when you could make tanky - blood mage builds.

But for overall PvP & PvE... Definitely Mag sorc.

Iskiab

Magblade

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Danko35 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Wow, thanks for such an amazing analysis. In pvp , I prefer a solo ranged style , that's why I'm choosing from these specs. I've actually invested hundreds of hours in pvp gameplay of both classes , but currently have time and willingness to main only one , that's why it's so hard to decide.

I main a magblade almost exclusively for pvp, so my perspective is purely pvp oriented. Oreyn’s post is pretty spot on, except for a couple exceptions in my opinion:

A magblade healer or damage/healing mix is probably the strongest pvp spec for magblades

For pure range I think Sorcs are a lot stronger

Magblades as damage dealers are best played as a melee/range mix. So if you want to be pure ranged sorc would be the better choice.

So I’d make the choice around whether you like pets and if you want to mix in melee with range. Myself I’d choose magblade again because I like healing and like stealth classes, magblade is a no-brainer for me.

I see you posting a lot about magblades, just curious, have you played a magsorc at all?

Nope. I have a magblade, magtemplar, MagWarden, Stam/tankDK, and a 2nd magblade. I did the dailies on my other toons for xp, but since hitting 810 I’ve only played magblades.

I solo queue all my BGs though so I get to see a good variety of builds/compositions and try to pay attention to performance at the end of the match. That’s where my opinions come from.

Played a magician in EQ, never again, I don’t like pets.

Phiathornsyldol

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Just for min-maxing ? Mag sorc. Compared to mag blade it feels like easy mode tbh. Mag NB was a thing back in the day when you could make tanky - blood mage builds.

But for overall PvP & PvE... Definitely Mag sorc.

Well that's not what I'm really looking for, actually. I mean, easy mode is good, but high reward for high learning curve and experience is much better.

vesselwiththepestle

Mag sorc

Magsorc, easier rotation = more dps in my case

Jhalin

Mag sorc

Danko35 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Just for min-maxing ? Mag sorc. Compared to mag blade it feels like easy mode tbh. Mag NB was a thing back in the day when you could make tanky - blood mage builds.

But for overall PvP & PvE... Definitely Mag sorc.

Well that's not what I'm really looking for, actually. I mean, easy mode is good, but high reward for high learning curve and experience is much better.

Magblade is high complexity high dps low group utility, magsorc is low complexity high dps moderate group utility. Easy choice

lassitershawn

Mag sorc

Caster magsorc (ie not HA/scamp) is VERY fun in PvE, my favorite spec. Magblade was broken OP in PvE for a long time but now it seems they are getting nerfs and sorc is actually better for the most part, albeit can't do major slayer role well. Pretty sure they are decent in PvP rn while magblades I've been hearing are trash in PvP. If you ever want to heal for some reason while both specs are kind of bad at it, you will have better luck getting groups with a magsorc healer.

Phiathornsyldol

Iskiab wrote: »

Danko35 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You really cant go wrong with either. It's interesting because one look at these forums would lead you to believe that there are basically two crowds in ESO, the NerfSorc and NerfNB fanboys. Both are certainly able to complete all content. I dont have any data to support this, but I would also bet they are the two most commonly played specs in eso.

The reality is that the two specs play very similarly to one another. Both are best played as ranged DPS builds, and both have their niches in PVP, but neither are top of the food chain.

The first question you have to ask yourself, do you mind playing with pets, as that alone can be your decision maker. If you dont like pets, stop reading and make a NB. A sorc without a pet is basically a crappy version of a mageblade.

PVE:

Sorcs are generally a little easier to play, but NBs have been king of DPS mountain for a long time. In the best hands and the best groups, I still think they are going to be slightly ahead of sorcs as a trial DPS. Most of the upcoming nerfs to NB really dont matter all that much in a good group. That said, most of us dont have perfect dynamic rotation or perfect raids to play in all the time. Sorc rotations are easier on the fingers, and pets add very good survival and damage. I think if your goal is the glassiest of glass cannons, NBs are still on top. But if not, sorcs are probably more accessible for a larger percent of the population. I always recommend mag sorc to anyone that is new to the game or perhaps struggles with button pressing. Sorcs have more versitilty than NBs as Damage Dealers, because you can play heavy attack builds, no pet, 1 pet, 2 pet, etc.

PVP:

In group play, NBs are going to be more damage focused and sorcs are going to be more support focused. In solo play, Sorcs are a bit sturdier and NBs are more elusive. NBs have more flexibility in their PVP builds, as their toolkit is a little more versatile from a PVP standpoint. They have better access to major minor buffs as well. 95% of sorcs are running 8-9 of the same skills, that said, some of those skills are pretty darn strong. If you like kiting people around and picking them off 1 by 1, sorc is probably a bit better. If you want to bomb 10 people at once, NB is better.

Overall, If you are an exceptional button presser, I would go mageblade. If you are not, a sorc is probably a slightly better option.

It can be very hard to make an analysis like this because things change from patch to patch. The one account I have seen with 100% achievement points was a DK, which makes sense, because a good tank is in a great position to get all the PVE achievements. I would say that overall since launch, NB has spent more time on top of more categories than Sorc, but it's a pretty close call.

Wow, thanks for such an amazing analysis. In pvp , I prefer a solo ranged style , that's why I'm choosing from these specs. I've actually invested hundreds of hours in pvp gameplay of both classes , but currently have time and willingness to main only one , that's why it's so hard to decide.

I main a magblade almost exclusively for pvp, so my perspective is purely pvp oriented. Oreyn’s post is pretty spot on, except for a couple exceptions in my opinion:

A magblade healer or damage/healing mix is probably the strongest pvp spec for magblades

For pure range I think Sorcs are a lot stronger

Magblades as damage dealers are best played as a melee/range mix. So if you want to be pure ranged sorc would be the better choice.

So I’d make the choice around whether you like pets and if you want to mix in melee with range. Myself I’d choose magblade again because I like healing and like stealth classes, magblade is a no-brainer for me.

I don't really like pets , but I'm OK with them, although I think that right now mag sorc is better in pvp even without pets

Diundriel

Magblade

you can still bomb with mana nb in pvp

Chaos2088

Mag sorc

I didn't read just clicked sorc....

SORC IS LIFE!!

jtm1018

Mag sorc

Its op af, seriously.

I still main a stamina nightblade though.

never liked the magicka build.

Cortimi

Mag sorc

I picked Sorc for the simple fact that pets will keep mobs busy while you gather a node.

Noctus

Mag sorc

current state magsorc. u can do veteran maelstrom arena with just 1 bar when u use magsorc. the pets the dps the easy rotation. pvp wise magsorc is one of the top choices. if u wanna play a healer tho i would recommend magblade.

Phiathornsyldol

Thank you guys for your opinions. I decided to be a masochist and continue to main my magblade . I know that he is worse in pvp , abd probably will be worse in terms of damage in upcoming patch , but he is more fun , and that will be a deciding factor for me.

StormeReigns

Mag sorc

Zap zappy zap zap Zapping Zap Branigan.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Magplar

russelmmendoza

Mag sorc

Petsorc.
Stamsorc.
Magsorc.

Cant go wrong with this guys, their awesome.

But, I will still use my nightblade.
Stamina and magicka.

I actually feel sorry for the dragonknights, losing their reflect, best antisorc class ever.