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Give Cripple and morphs, major expedition back.
mcagatayg
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Magblade feels so sluggish, dunno why you guys removed it. Noone uses refreshing path or morphs for major expedition anyway, same goes for race against time. It doesnt fit in pvp magblades.
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Better? xD
no major force, no expedition, only useful if the enemy forgets his/her brain... and waaaay more expensiveSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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mcagatayg✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »I'd settle for Minor Expedition at this point.
same dude ANY kind of speed buff is fine, stop pigeon-holing people into psijic guilds skill lines...0 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dont think cripple should have ever given a buff. It seems like a skill that should debuff your target. Minor defile, minor maim, minor breach... something1 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭You said it,nobody uses those skills because the are poop. Guess why they nerfed the good ones trololol0 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can debate about the redundancy argument. I think it would have been more honest just to say that a major buff is too much on an ability that also gives a solid snare and a non-negligible DoT. But maybe that’s just me.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can debate about the redundancy argument. I think it would have been more honest just to say that a major buff is too much on an ability that also gives a solid snare and a non-negligible DoT. But maybe that’s just me.
You ever had issues fighting a magnb or considered the skill op?4 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nerftheforums wrote: »You can debate about the redundancy argument. I think it would have been more honest just to say that a major buff is too much on an ability that also gives a solid snare and a non-negligible DoT. But maybe that’s just me.
You ever had issues fighting a magnb or considered the skill op?
Frankly, seldom, because most magNBs in open world Cyrodiil play a Caluurion gank Build. But still - compare old Cripple with other skills that give Major Expedition. These seldom are good on all fronts.
Edited by Feanor on May 15, 2019 2:44PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭Nerftheforums wrote: »You can debate about the redundancy argument. I think it would have been more honest just to say that a major buff is too much on an ability that also gives a solid snare and a non-negligible DoT. But maybe that’s just me.
You ever had issues fighting a magnb or considered the skill op?
Frankly, seldom, because most magNBs in open world Cyrodiil play a Caluurion gank Build. But still - compare old Cripple with other skills that give Major Expedition. These seldom are good on all fronts.
What's wrong with an unreliable class having an edge on a certain aspect of PVP? I mean, only warden has reliable access to Major Heroism, why is that okay while magblades can't have reliable access to major expedition?Edited by HowlKimchi on May 15, 2019 3:21PM4 -
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✭Cripple wasn't even even a "reliable way" to get expedition, because it needed to land in order for the buff to be applied. And honestly, 4s duration is a bad joke anyway, how that could be considered anywhere close to op is beyond my understanding.
With this "any sort of mobility = op" mindset we might end up with completly stationary combat. As if Nerfmire wasn't enough ...3 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont think cripple should have ever given a buff. It seems like a skill that should debuff your target. Minor defile, minor maim, minor breach... something
Giving a buff fits the siphoning tree. All the skills there, you are able to siphon something off of a target.
Strife: target loses health, you gain health
Malevolent Offering: you lose health, ally gains health
Cripple: target loses speed, you gain speed
Siphoning Strikes: light attacks siphon resources
Drain Power: siphon enemy's blood, gain increased damage
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✭✭✭RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.2 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.Edited by HowlKimchi on May 15, 2019 3:55PM1 -
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The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
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✭zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
Then nerf the damage or increase the cost instead of taking away class identity. Balance doesn't have to be sweeping changes to classes that makes it so it loses identity/flavor. Tweaking numbers is also an acceptable way of balancing.0 -
zParallaxz✭✭✭✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
Then nerf the damage or increase the cost instead of taking away class identity. Balance doesn't have to be sweeping changes to classes that makes it so it loses identity/flavor. Tweaking numbers is also an acceptable way of balancing.
That’s fair, however before this patch. Nightblades had too much access to snares, minor maim, and major expedition on all of their most used skills. Examples were fear giving minor maim and 40% snare, shade giving minor maim, cripple giving major expedition while being a root. But don’t forget cloak being able to suppress dots and reset fights, tbh if I was to nerf anything I would put it to where you can’t recover your largest resource pool whilst in cloak after 1 sec.
P.S Personally I think it’s wrong if you can continually snare a person for a lot while also getting a speed boost. It makes your opponent damn near unable to effectively target you.Edited by zParallaxz on May 15, 2019 4:28PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭templar called; they want to remind you the "I have no mobility, what do I do now?" group meets on thursday. We go over topics such as "I also have no proactive defense and 4 CC options" and "I have a healing line, but other classes have access to better self healing".
#NoiseThread.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭templar called; they want to remind you the "I have no mobility, what do I do now?" group meets on thursday. We go over topics such as "I also have no proactive defense and 4 CC options" and "I have a healing line, but other classes have access to better self healing".
#NoiseThread.
As a templar, you can use the combination of cleanse and RAT. It's actually pretty nice.1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
Then nerf the damage or increase the cost instead of taking away class identity. Balance doesn't have to be sweeping changes to classes that makes it so it loses identity/flavor. Tweaking numbers is also an acceptable way of balancing.
That’s fair, however before this patch. Nightblades had too much access to snares, minor maim, and major expedition on all of their most used skills. Examples were fear giving minor maim and 40% snare, shade giving minor maim, cripple giving major expedition while being a root. But don’t forget cloak being able to suppress dots and reset fights, tbh if I was to nerf anything I would put it to where you can’t recover your largest resource pool whilst in cloak after 1 sec.
P.S Personally I think it’s wrong if you can continually snare a person for a lot while also getting a speed boost. It makes your opponent damn near unable to effectively target you.
Just curious
Are you saying magblades were too strong? lol
The idea of wanting to nerf them even further (via cloak) is waaay out of touch.
Name the other class defense bypassed by a potion. Imagine these forums if they added a potion to bypass shields....
Yea, it would be unacceptable for any class to receive what nightblades get hit with.
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✭✭Tbh I'd much rather have the ability to spam root on multiple enemies than a 4 sec major expedition now that we can get speed via RAT.0 -
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✭Cripple also got an indirect nerf with the soft CC cooldown. Add in the major expedition nerf... why are you going to slot it? It doesn’t achieve its purpose any longer.
Add in the major dot buff plus minor vulnerability to lotus... where does cripple even get play going forward?0 -
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Please take speed off of Path of Darkness and put it back on Cripple. Cripple is seriously where Major expedition needs to be.zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
when we have more skill slots we can talk about overloaded skills. until then, i really don't give a *** which skills is "overloaded" as i think it's a necessity.Edited by Lucky28 on May 15, 2019 5:34PMInvictus3 -
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Completely agree magblade right now is by far the weakest class pts losing even more is just salting the wounds 😑@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Please take speed off of Path of Darkness and put it back on Cripple. Cripple is seriously where Major expedition needs to be.zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
when we have more skill slots we can talk about overloaded skills. until then, i really don't give a *** which skills is "overloaded" as i think it's a necessity.
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zParallaxz✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
Then nerf the damage or increase the cost instead of taking away class identity. Balance doesn't have to be sweeping changes to classes that makes it so it loses identity/flavor. Tweaking numbers is also an acceptable way of balancing.
That’s fair, however before this patch. Nightblades had too much access to snares, minor maim, and major expedition on all of their most used skills. Examples were fear giving minor maim and 40% snare, shade giving minor maim, cripple giving major expedition while being a root. But don’t forget cloak being able to suppress dots and reset fights, tbh if I was to nerf anything I would put it to where you can’t recover your largest resource pool whilst in cloak after 1 sec.
P.S Personally I think it’s wrong if you can continually snare a person for a lot while also getting a speed boost. It makes your opponent damn near unable to effectively target you.
Just curious
Are you saying magblades were too strong? lol
The idea of wanting to nerf them even further (via cloak) is waaay out of touch.
Name the other class defense bypassed by a potion. Imagine these forums if they added a potion to bypass shields....
Yea, it would be unacceptable for any class to receive what nightblades get hit with.
Funnily enough they’ve made several counters to shields now. But, in terms of cloak there are several counters all of which can be avoided with enough movement speed and snare.0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »
The skill was overloaded, on a proper setup it’s a high damage dot, a root, major expedition, on top of being ranged. Your lucky they didn’t remove the root. Why does a high burst ranged class need a high damage dot ranged root, idk.brandonv516 wrote: »RaT fits great on mNB, especially with Cloak + Shadow Image. Even at 2s it will be very useful on my build.
Same actually. I'm just questioning the reasoning behind taking away class identity and choices.
Then nerf the damage or increase the cost instead of taking away class identity. Balance doesn't have to be sweeping changes to classes that makes it so it loses identity/flavor. Tweaking numbers is also an acceptable way of balancing.
That’s fair, however before this patch. Nightblades had too much access to snares, minor maim, and major expedition on all of their most used skills. Examples were fear giving minor maim and 40% snare, shade giving minor maim, cripple giving major expedition while being a root. But don’t forget cloak being able to suppress dots and reset fights, tbh if I was to nerf anything I would put it to where you can’t recover your largest resource pool whilst in cloak after 1 sec.
P.S Personally I think it’s wrong if you can continually snare a person for a lot while also getting a speed boost. It makes your opponent damn near unable to effectively target you.
Just curious
Are you saying magblades were too strong? lol
The idea of wanting to nerf them even further (via cloak) is waaay out of touch.
Name the other class defense bypassed by a potion. Imagine these forums if they added a potion to bypass shields....
Yea, it would be unacceptable for any class to receive what nightblades get hit with.
Funnily enough they’ve made several counters to shields now. But, in terms of cloak there are several counters all of which can be avoided with enough movement speed and snare.
If youre insinuating shields have more counters than cloak youre either new, misinformed, joking or have an agenda.
Theres a reason you need mobility for cloak.
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