Do People that main pet bet actually consider themselves good?

Fawn4287

If you run a horde of pets weather it be a zoo keeper pet magsorc or a tank that blocks until you get your werewolf that you use a portable squad of line of sight blockers you can't really think that it is skill that has allowed you beat someone. All pets really should be like the warden netch and the nightblade shade in order to stop the incessant pet builds that are prevalent all over the game at the moment, especially in bgs and duels. The cheese in the game seems to continue to get worse and the skill gap seems to continue to close because pvp and pve are inappropriately balanced and balanced separately.

Zacuel

Um. I like tacos.

Saturnana

No need to be passive agressive about how other people enjoy the game.
If you don't like pets, then don't use them - like me.
But don't make people feel bad about choosing a valid play-style.

heng14rwb17_ESO

GO PET OR GO CRY !

Minyassa

No one cares why anyone beats anyone else. If honor was a big deal, there would be no nerfs because no one would complain about someone else being more powerful. It's a game and people are playing it to win. The only problem is cheating, so if someone's not cheating, they're just fine.

ChunkyCat

Taco Bell is the best Mexican in town.

Change my mind.

bongtokin420insd16

Truly i struggled with VMA forever. Finally got a petsorc passed it which was still really hard for me. And you know what everyone said? Oh, its easy mode who cares?

That made me walk away from it for a long time. Cause you know i dont hate on others playstyle, and it really cut me when they took what i considered to be a hell of an accomplishment away.

The worst of it? After this post how many more will do the same. FYI i main a templar and a nightblade too, just for more fuel

VaranisArano

I just find it funny that for so long everyone said that petsorcs were useless in PVP. Then somebody figured out how to LOS behind ALL the pets, and suddenly its the hottest new cheese to ruin Battlegrounds.

Aurielle

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , you guys listening? Yet another thread about the very valid frustration people feel when encountering premade pet stackers in PVP environments that were designed with small scale — not zerging — in mind. One premade group of pet sorcs can hide behind anywhere from 8-16 pets at a time. At its worst, a premade pet stacking team will have twenty targetable entities on the screen at one time (16 pets plus 4 players). That’s 16 ways to gain 100% free mitigation from single target attacks, and 16 ways to severely diminish the impact of AOE attacks. It needs to be addressed.

Ankael07

Watching people get chased down by a fire breathing daedroth and a pulsating scamp while getting zapped from afar by a twilight and atronach is pretty hilarious honestly

karthrag_inak

Wow, apparently (middle) school's out for summer.

ecru

Saturnana wrote: »

No need to be passive agressive about how other people enjoy the game.
If you don't like pets, then don't use them - like me.
But don't make people feel bad about choosing a valid play-style.

I can't really agree with this. Pet sorcs should absolutely feel bad. I played a pet sorc for a night, went like 54-2 in a BG, and felt so dirty that I took a 30 minute shower when I was done. Never again.

bongtokin420insd16

Lol this isn’t another thread that says that at all. Just u Said that.

jaws343

Aurielle wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , you guys listening? Yet another thread about the very valid frustration people feel when encountering premade pet stackers in PVP environments that were designed with small scale — not zerging — in mind. One premade group of pet sorcs can hide behind anywhere from 8-16 pets at a time. At its worst, a premade pet stacking team will have twenty targetable entities on the screen at one time (16 pets plus 4 players). That’s 16 ways to gain 100% free mitigation from single target attacks, and 16 ways to severely diminish the impact of AOE attacks. It needs to be addressed.

AOE's don't have a target cap... Enemy count isn't going to diminish their impact. If anything, having that many pets and players in one spot increases the effectiveness of Inevitable detonation or proxy det.

Plus, One thing I like to do to a pet sorc is target their pet with a meteor. Pet can't block it and prevent the stun to the players nearby.

Aurielle

jaws343 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , you guys listening? Yet another thread about the very valid frustration people feel when encountering premade pet stackers in PVP environments that were designed with small scale — not zerging — in mind. One premade group of pet sorcs can hide behind anywhere from 8-16 pets at a time. At its worst, a premade pet stacking team will have twenty targetable entities on the screen at one time (16 pets plus 4 players). That’s 16 ways to gain 100% free mitigation from single target attacks, and 16 ways to severely diminish the impact of AOE attacks. It needs to be addressed.

AOE's don't have a target cap... Enemy count isn't going to diminish their impact. If anything, having that many pets and players in one spot increases the effectiveness of Inevitable detonation or proxy det.

Plus, One thing I like to do to a pet sorc is target their pet with a meteor. Pet can't block it and prevent the stun to the players nearby.

Certain AOE skills, and some single target skills with secondary AOE effects (I’m not referring exclusively to ground AOEs and those particular player-based AOEs, that yes, have no cap — I should have specified) can only affect a set number of targets, or will affect the “nearest” target in the area (which could be a pet). Examples:

Reflective Light
Flames of Oblivion
Mass Hysteria
Deep Slash
Force Pulse

(I could be missing some, these are just a few that come to mind).

Pets can also trigger ground traps, rendering those traps a waste of resources.

Abhaya

Considering that I got tbagged by a 3 pet sorc LoSing behind the pets while throwing frags from 20m away against my stam sorc I would say... yes. They are REALLY good. In all seriousness though you can’t even target your enemy when this is happening. Maybe Master’s cleave after the buff will do something next patch when I’m getting 4500 bonus damage on my swings.

oxygen_thief

VaranisArano wrote: »

I just find it funny that for so long everyone said that petsorcs were useless in PVP. Then somebody figured out how to LOS behind ALL the pets, and suddenly its the hottest new cheese to ruin Battlegrounds.

i guess constant nerfs caused this problem. there was no need in los because shields strength was enough for surviving. pets were used in duel builds mostly as i know

Ankael07

Aurielle wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , you guys listening? Yet another thread about the very valid frustration people feel when encountering premade pet stackers in PVP environments that were designed with small scale — not zerging — in mind. One premade group of pet sorcs can hide behind anywhere from 8-16 pets at a time. At its worst, a premade pet stacking team will have twenty targetable entities on the screen at one time (16 pets plus 4 players). That’s 16 ways to gain 100% free mitigation from single target attacks, and 16 ways to severely diminish the impact of AOE attacks. It needs to be addressed.

AOE's don't have a target cap... Enemy count isn't going to diminish their impact. If anything, having that many pets and players in one spot increases the effectiveness of Inevitable detonation or proxy det.

Plus, One thing I like to do to a pet sorc is target their pet with a meteor. Pet can't block it and prevent the stun to the players nearby.

Certain AOE skills, and some single target skills with secondary AOE effects (I’m not referring exclusively to ground AOEs and those particular player-based AOEs, that yes, have no cap — I should have specified) can only affect a set number of targets, or will affect the “nearest” target in the area (which could be a pet). Examples:

Reflective Light
Flames of Oblivion
Mass Hysteria
Deep Slash
Force Pulse

(I could be missing some, these are just a few that come to mind).

Pets can also trigger ground traps, rendering those traps a waste of resources.

Traps would hardly be waste of resources if you consider the following.

5 Daedric mines will keep a scamp rooted for 1.5 second each and heal the caster 5% per mine

Trap Beast can root the scamp 6 seconds per trap and give minor force for the duration

Iskiab

Petsorcs are weak. They’re only good against pure single target builds, so they shouldn’t be an issue for anyone except Stamblades.

Aurielle

Iskiab wrote: »

Petsorcs are weak. They’re only good against pure single target builds, so they shouldn’t be an issue for anyone except Stamblades.

A lone pet sorc can be dealt with. Stacked premade pet sorc groups against solo queued random groups? Different story. If pet sorcs weren’t effective in the right group’s hands, they wouldn’t be so ubiquitous right now.

karekiz

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Do people who que with 4 players in Battlegrounds actually feel good? With full discord and no random with fully maxed out group combo's you will stomp on players queing solo to have fun.

Fixed.

SirAndy

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Taco Bell is the best Mexican in town.
Change my mind.

@ChunkyCat

Taco Bell is as much Mexican food as Wienerschnitzel is German food.

Have you ever seen a Mexican eat at Taco Bell? No? Me neither ...

Waffennacht

I was on my zoo keeper magden and got pugged up with x2 pet Sorcs and someone else.

We dominated, but a bomber continuously wiped us with 10k proxy's. Imagine if there was more than 1 bomber

Hanokihs

I play pets because I have since launch and they're more fun to me than joining the horde of poison spammers I always run into in BGs.

I don't even have to LoS - most of the time, nobody pays attention to anyone except the one tanky guy they're determined to take down. Pet sorcs are pretty squishy if you wear down the shields or come up behind us.

bigelle.x3_ESO

Saturnana wrote: »

No need to be passive agressive about how other people enjoy the game.
If you don't like pets, then don't use them - like me.
But don't make people feel bad about choosing a valid play-style.

People should feel bad for using ai builds.

karekiz

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

People should feel bad for using ai builds.

People should feel bad about pre made 4 man team with fully complimented builds + voice going against total random.

But hey who is counting.

bigelle.x3_ESO

karekiz wrote: »

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

People should feel bad for using ai builds.

People should feel bad about pre made 4 man team with fully complimented builds + voice going against total random.

But hey who is counting.

People shouldn't feel bad about playing with their friends in a team based game mode.

Iskiab

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

People should feel bad for using ai builds.

People should feel bad about pre made 4 man team with fully complimented builds + voice going against total random.

But hey who is counting.

People shouldn't feel bad about playing with their friends in a team based game mode.

Friends are OP, nerf social skills.

Alienoutlaw

just another backhanded thread calling for ANOTHER Sorc Nerf, nobody complained when DK's or NB's were stomping all over sorc's, so we find a way to counter reflective scale, and snipe builds, WW packs, you all kick off like its not fair lol
suck it it up buttercup we brought a huge spoon of the medicine we've been swallowing patch after patch

Gilvoth

just because someone does not play with your playstyle and doesnt use your build or a famous build does not mean they are "bad player" and "trash" and "not good"
we can let people play the way they want without insulting them and making threads insulting thier ideas and builds.

ApostateHobo

SirAndy wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Taco Bell is the best Mexican in town.
Change my mind.

@ChunkyCat

Taco Bell is as much Mexican food as Wienerschnitzel is German food.

Have you ever seen a Mexican eat at Taco Bell? No? Me neither ...

You must not go to taco bell very often then