Nightblade Final Elections

Jagdkommando

Lets see what most of players want

Chilly-McFreeze

And there is no option in between?

Jagdkommando

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

no because we all see that ZOS will not do any of our suggested minor changes.

Chilly-McFreeze

Jagdkommando wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

no because we all see that ZOS will not do any of our suggested minor changes.

Fair point.

Blackleopardex

Keep Nightblade as is with all the changes and push them to live

Because there is no middle ground here I would vote for "push it live", the other option is highly unrealistic, thx for another poorly executed poll.

Murador178

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

@Chilly-McFreeze ZOS wants Nightblade to be a brawler seemingly - I dont know why so - We have more than enough brawler SnB 30k+ hp brawler builds in cyro...

vesselwiththepestle

Go back to Wrathstone,
remove Major Defile from Incap,
change Major Fracture in Piercing Strike to Major Savagery.

Have a look at nb performance again next patch, if still OP consider changes to Grim Focus.

The_Lex

Poor options in the poll. Choose between one extreme or another. This is ZOS' balancing paradigm. No need for the players to follow suit.

frostz417

Terrible poll

Fiktius

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Live Dark Cloack is much more worthy than this trash we see in PTS.

ChunkyCat

Keep Nightblade as is with all the changes and push them to live

I want to watch the world burn.

Vercingetorix

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Murador178 wrote: »

@Chilly-McFreeze ZOS wants Nightblade to be a brawler seemingly - I dont know why so - We have more than enough brawler SnB 30k+ hp brawler builds in cyro...

Gillium plays his NB this way. He's likely the one pushing these ridiculous changes.

Deathlord92

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

No because a lot of us don’t want nb to be butchered 🙂

Deathlord92

Nb fine as it is live server it should be left alone unless they tone down mag sorcs damage as well I won’t be happy with just nerfs to nb damage simple 😎

Chilly-McFreeze

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

No because a lot of us don’t want nb to be butchered 🙂

We had this before. Some skills were seemingly overloaded. I can't agree on most of the changes made. But all in all I wouldn't call NBs butchered. Like @Murador178 hinted, Brawler Blades will be more than fine. ZOS just missed the mark as far as class theme goes. And before any doubts come up, yes I have 2 - soon to be 3 - NBs myself.

NBs lack group utility and ZOS tried to tackle that with vulnerability debuff. NBs complained about survivability issues outside of cloak and ZOS tried to cater via 15% mitigation on Focus. They even tried to compensate the removal of endurance via Reave.
For Group PvE the fracture didn't matter anyway and (unless overpenetrating) you're better of with the 5% penetration. Sure that doesn't spread to all playstyles and game modes but then again - some skills like our live spam are just over the top - especially if you consider what it does in comparison to classes that don't even have one to begin with.

And while all that may happened in good intention and is also somewhat usable, I'd prefer a different route.

But each to their own.

Iskiab

Keep Nightblade as is with all the changes and push them to live

Keep the changes. Most of the complaints seem to be that people thought NBs were going to be overly weak and a non-factor.

Only change I would say is if silence stops someone from being able to use potions that needs to be fixed, that’s just silly.

Jabassa

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

No because a lot of us don’t want nb to be butchered 🙂

We had this before. Some skills were seemingly overloaded. I can't agree on most of the changes made. But all in all I wouldn't call NBs butchered. Like @Murador178 hinted, Brawler Blades will be more than fine. ZOS just missed the mark as far as class theme goes. And before any doubts come up, yes I have 2 - soon to be 3 - NBs myself.

NBs lack group utility and ZOS tried to tackle that with vulnerability debuff. NBs complained about survivability issues outside of cloak and ZOS tried to cater via 15% mitigation on Focus. They even tried to compensate the removal of endurance via Reave.
For Group PvE the fracture didn't matter anyway and (unless overpenetrating) you're better of with the 5% penetration. Sure that doesn't spread to all playstyles and game modes but then again - some skills like our live spam are just over the top - especially if you consider what it does in comparison to classes that don't even have one to begin with.

And while all that may happened in good intention and is also somewhat usable, I'd prefer a different route.

But each to their own.

Here's the root of the problem, ZOS caters too much to the trials crowd and disregards PvP until we start screaming, but PvP is the true endgame of ESO.

Jabassa

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Single target silence as a concept should just be forgotten about. It has no place in this game

Jagdkommando

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Let this just be here

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_Gilliam , @ZOS_Wrobel , @ZOS_KaiSchober

Druid40

If the changes go live, please reduce the silence timer.

Jabassa

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Druid40 wrote: »

If the changes go live, please reduce the silence timer.

Nope, get rid of it entirely, we need a unified voice on this one

LiquidPony

Keep Nightblade as is with all the changes and push them to live

Jabassa wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

No because a lot of us don’t want nb to be butchered 🙂

We had this before. Some skills were seemingly overloaded. I can't agree on most of the changes made. But all in all I wouldn't call NBs butchered. Like @Murador178 hinted, Brawler Blades will be more than fine. ZOS just missed the mark as far as class theme goes. And before any doubts come up, yes I have 2 - soon to be 3 - NBs myself.

NBs lack group utility and ZOS tried to tackle that with vulnerability debuff. NBs complained about survivability issues outside of cloak and ZOS tried to cater via 15% mitigation on Focus. They even tried to compensate the removal of endurance via Reave.
For Group PvE the fracture didn't matter anyway and (unless overpenetrating) you're better of with the 5% penetration. Sure that doesn't spread to all playstyles and game modes but then again - some skills like our live spam are just over the top - especially if you consider what it does in comparison to classes that don't even have one to begin with.

And while all that may happened in good intention and is also somewhat usable, I'd prefer a different route.

But each to their own.

Here's the root of the problem, ZOS caters too much to the trials crowd and disregards PvP until we start screaming, but PvP is the true endgame of ESO.

Oh, hey, it's another dude who doesn't even participate in the PvE end game back with his "bUt PVP iS THe tRUe ENdGaME" copypasta.

Look, let's not be blowhards about it: there are a ton of "end game" pursuits in ESO and ZOS has to keep a lot of balls in the air to balance them all because they are all impacted in different ways by balance changes.

But it's no wonder ZOS struggles to find meaningful balance across gameplay modes when their feedback channels are clogged up with garbage like this from people who don't have a holistic view of the game and insist on blaming all of their problems on ZOS catering to some other group of people.

On the actual topic of the poll, I just voted whatever I thought would annoy OP the most because this is yet another garbage poll producing garbage feedback.

Jabassa

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

Murador178 wrote: »

@Chilly-McFreeze ZOS wants Nightblade to be a brawler seemingly - I dont know why so - We have more than enough brawler SnB 30k+ hp brawler builds in cyro...

NB is intended as a stealth assassin/scout, having the capability to be a brawler is cool, but should not be the focus of the class. NB is stealth&burst first, everything else second.

If you want a brawler focused class, play a stam dk, stam warden, or WW build

Gilvoth

none of those choices are ours to choose.
this work and decisions belong to the developers.

Minno

hey nightblades, how about take the nerfs like adults, and let magdens/magblade/magplars/stamplars/stamsorcs get some audit-consistency-love like you all got?

One week left pf patch and there's still things that need adjusting on those classes to bring them closer in line with the power that magsorc/stamblade got. Like we still have no idea if they are fixing the GCD clunkiness on cast time/channels if you light attack weave, or fact total dark got nerfed yet things like fear/incap got overbuffed. Or stamplar/magblade taking nerfs for no reason.

Rip this noise threads lol

Jabassa

Revert Nightblade to Wrathstone patch with reverting all the changes(Grim Focus, Dark Cloak and Incapacitating Strike especially)

<does not main NB
<does not play NB often
<very strongly believes all changes should be reverted

darkblue5

Keep Nightblade as is with all the changes and push them to live

Minno wrote: »

hey nightblades, how about take the nerfs like adults, and let magdens/magblade/magplars/stamplars/stamsorcs get some audit-consistency-love like you all got?

One week left pf patch and there's still things that need adjusting on those classes to bring them closer in line with the power that magsorc/stamblade got. Like we still have no idea if they are fixing the GCD clunkiness on cast time/channels if you light attack weave, or fact total dark got nerfed yet things like fear/incap got overbuffed. Or stamplar/magblade taking nerfs for no reason.

Rip this noise threads lol

One of the big reasons nightblades are getting this attention is that the class had pretty bifurcated performance but is fundamentally kind of close to a good spot for damage and pvp as far as class identity and skills being present. A lot of the other base classes' specs (especially stamina sorcerer) need reworks that exceed what could be reasonably done this patch. ZOS didn't intend to rework Grim Focus initially besides removing the buffs it gave. Then ZOS got sucked into spending more time on the class than planned. Doesn't seem nefarious.

I'd prefer a base class rework be done when it can be a real focus of an update and be done well. Not a hasty stam crystal frag and poison whip fix that doesn't give the classes identity in the mechanics of how they dps. I'm a huge huge fan of the Grim Focus minigame. Hands down it is my favorite thing about the Nightblade class. I came for the stealth and stayed for the light attack stacks. I'd love at least that level of game design to be brought to the other classes. I love the tension in the new Grim Focus mitigation. I love how it uses stacks and offers something unique. I want ZOS to be ready to spend real time on that and not getting sucked into a bunch of more hasty changes as is happening with nightblades this patch.

Stamblades main would QQ and I'd also feel blue, but maybe ZOS should just remove Minor Mangle from Incap and fix it in 3 more months. If that happened few stamblades would slot Incap, but few will slot Incap if it Silences very roughly half of Cyrodiil until they break free or whatever. That's almost as useless with some potential for really unbalanced Silences during lag etc. Some people would go around only fighting mag chars etc. A mess.

fullheartcontainer

How does EVERY poll on this forum end up being so terribly done?

Strider__Roshin

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And there is no option in between?

This

Grimlok_S

No option to delete permanently and repurchase via DLC?

SirAndy

Clearly a L2P(oll) issue ...