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Make incap do no damage
citats
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So since the current state of this ability is just awful, I might have a fun idea for it. Remove its damage component, keep the silence, and also make the target immune to all damage for the duration of the silence (maybe freeze their regens too).
I feel like this would be ok for the class because nightblade already has incredible burst potential without incap, it just takes a few light attacks before it's ready (which would likely also be a heavy nerf to ganking, oh noes).
Imbue weapon, relentless focus, light attack, surprise attack, can all go off at the same time. That's still huge burst without an ultimate.
Why do this?
Give nightblade an important role in group vs group PvP. The nightblade silences the healer for 3 seconds which can be timed with a burst from the rest of the group. If the target group has no defenses/heals without the healer, then it's a wipe. If the group survives long enough for the healer to become unsilenced, then the big heals come in again. Note that the healer must be immune to damage during the silence otherwise the other group would just focus the healer every time for an easy wipe. It allows for counterplay if the incap target is immune to damage.
Give nightblade an interesting 1vX mechanic. They can pick an enemy to silence in order to alleviate pressure off of themselves, which gives them a window to finish a kill on a different player.
I feel like this would be ok for the class because nightblade already has incredible burst potential without incap, it just takes a few light attacks before it's ready (which would likely also be a heavy nerf to ganking, oh noes).
Imbue weapon, relentless focus, light attack, surprise attack, can all go off at the same time. That's still huge burst without an ultimate.
Why do this?
Give nightblade an important role in group vs group PvP. The nightblade silences the healer for 3 seconds which can be timed with a burst from the rest of the group. If the target group has no defenses/heals without the healer, then it's a wipe. If the group survives long enough for the healer to become unsilenced, then the big heals come in again. Note that the healer must be immune to damage during the silence otherwise the other group would just focus the healer every time for an easy wipe. It allows for counterplay if the incap target is immune to damage.
Give nightblade an interesting 1vX mechanic. They can pick an enemy to silence in order to alleviate pressure off of themselves, which gives them a window to finish a kill on a different player.
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I keep reading today about nightblades' "incredible burst". The balance team has done several things to nightblade to lower their upfront damage for Elsweyr.
--Incapacitating Strike morph will no longer apply Major Defile nor will it, as of today, stun
--Removed Minor Berserk from Grim Focus
--Surprise Attack no longer applies Major Fracture
To be honest, Nightblade already has an effective silence-like skill that was buffed along with a nerf.
--Mass Hysteria will fear 6 targets. AND Player abilities that fear targets will no longer cause them to flee in terror. Instead, they will now cower in terror, unable to move while feared.
(IMO) Truly, incap should be left alone with defile and stun.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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citats✭✭✭
The changes to this ultimate that were done in 5.0.3 are much stronger than the major defile + stun version of this ultimate.I keep reading today about nightblades' "incredible burst". The balance team has done several things to nightblade to lower their upfront damage for Elsweyr.
--Incapacitating Strike morph will no longer apply Major Defile nor will it, as of today, stun
This is an insanely huge buff to nightblade kill potential, not a nerf as you suggest.
I don't think it's a good idea to buff any of nightblades damage abilities with minor berserk. This makes sniping and all attacks from stealth stronger, which I don't think is a good thing, instead of this, certain skills could have their base damage increased to provide the necessary burst potential, if it isn't high enough already.--Removed Minor Berserk from Grim Focus
Adding back major fracture to surprise attack could be a good idea, if only to limit their maximum burst potential, so that when a nightblade is playing in a group that their burst is not over-performing too heavily (as they should already be able to burst a target in 1vX, it may not be a good idea to give them extra burst damage when playing with group buffs). I would say though that the major fracture granted by surprise attack should only last 3 seconds, so that it should proceed a burst that will occur during the next 2 global cooldowns, to help telegraph that a burst will likely be coming.--Surprise Attack no longer applies Major FractureEdited by citats on May 9, 2019 12:42AM0 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. Part of NB's burst, which is the entire archetype of the class as a damage dealer, is Incap. You use Incap in the middle of your combo to both deliver a good burst of damage, and amp up any following damage. Removing the damage screws NB's already weakened burst, and goes against the point of the ultimate.
The skill should just be reverted to it's current state on live, as removing Defile is what caused this clusterf**k of changes, and they should take another stab at it later.1 -
citats✭✭✭Part of NB's burst, which is the entire archetype of the class as a damage dealer, is Incap. You use Incap in the middle of your combo to both deliver a good burst of damage, and amp up any following damage. Removing the damage screws NB's already weakened burst, and goes against the point of the ultimate.
What I'm suggesting is that nigthblade's easy "surprise attack->incap->surprise attack spam" combo isn't the only way to burst someone. Instead of incap, using relentless focus in your burst combo (with its base damage being buffed if necessary) can also be the nightblade's main source of burst.0 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m sorry but just no I say give incap it’s defile back but keep reave I really like reave very interesting sustain tool I like it 🙂1 -
citats✭✭✭Realized there's a typo on OP, meant to say that surprise attack should proceed the burst, not be part of it.Edited by citats on May 9, 2019 12:39AM0
